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Fenixgoon

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The latest version of 14.2.x is very good allowing end to end driving. Kind of insane that the guy completed 10,000+ miles with zero intervention.
This includes parking at Superchargers. Only 8 years after Elmo's original prediction of a cross country trip.

First Cross Country Autonomous Drive Completed! Over 10,000 Miles Using Tesla FSD w/ No Intervention


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Thats great. It's still not L4 or L5 certified, which means the system is fundamentally incapable of "full self driving".

I have no stake (financial or personal) in waymo. I think truly autonomous driving is still decades away.
 
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Brovane

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Thats great. It's still not L4 or L5 certified, which means the system is fundamentally incapable of "full self driving".

I have no stake (financial or personal) in waymo. I think truly autonomous driving is still decades away.

Wonder how much more we are going to see of this while people debate what "full self driving" means.


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IronWing

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Full self driving means that you're not required to act as a driver's ed instructor for the car, always vigilant to take control at a moment's notice. If one has to be fully attentive to the road anyway, one might as well drive the car. Either one isn't paying attention to the road as Telsa claims is necessary or Telsa's "full self driving" is worthless.
 

Greenman

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Wonder how much more we are going to see of this while people debate what "full self driving" means.


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Doesn't it mean exactly what the words say? You get in the car, tell it where to go and take a nap while it drives there. If the vehicle requires any further human input it's assisted driving.

Edit: I'd actually take it a step further and say a driver shouldn't be necessary at all. The vehicle should be able make the trip without a passenger.
 
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Brovane

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Full self driving means that you're not required to act as a driver's ed instructor for the car, always vigilant to take control at a moment's notice. If one has to be fully attentive to the road anyway, one might as well drive the car. Either one isn't paying attention to the road as Telsa claims is necessary or Telsa's "full self driving" is worthless.

Personally I find Tesla FSD very helpful on road trips because it removes a lot of stress of driving and I get to my destination feeling a lot more refreshed. So you don't use driver assistance features adaptive cruise control?

Doesn't it mean exactly what the words say? You get in the car, tell it where to go and take a nap while it drives there. If the vehicle requires any further human input it's assisted driving.

Edit: I'd actually take it a step further and say a driver shouldn't be necessary at all. The vehicle should be able make the trip without a passenger.

Technically it says Full-Self Driving (Supervised) and 14.2.x is very close to removing the (Supervised) portion.

Tesla Delivers Itself to New Owner
 

K1052

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We still need to know what BYD build quality looks like. Hopefully much better than Xiaomi.

Most of the reviews I've seen indicate that it's pretty ok. Probably only likely to improve as 1st world markets will demand it to be competitive. As a former Tesla owner I'd place its build quality below any of the BMWs we've had. The fact that service and repair was such a total nightmare in comparison was also a factor in us ditching it.
 

sdifox

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Most of the reviews I've seen indicate that it's pretty ok. Probably only likely to improve as 1st world markets will demand it to be competitive. As a former Tesla owner I'd place its build quality below any of the BMWs we've had. The fact that service and repair was such a total nightmare in comparison was also a factor in us ditching it.
I have seen some worrying videos from China.
 

Brovane

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Most of the reviews I've seen indicate that it's pretty ok. Probably only likely to improve as 1st world markets will demand it to be competitive. As a former Tesla owner I'd place its build quality below any of the BMWs we've had. The fact that service and repair was such a total nightmare in comparison was also a factor in us ditching it.

I am very interested in the BYD LFP blade batteries. A lot of the BYD BEV's look great.

My #1 concern about Chinese EV's is the implications of Chinese government ambitions around Taiwan and how that could impact BYD's sales outside of China.

As far as service nightmare, I have long list of complaints about my Nissan Leaf. Nissan still doesn't have a fix for a potential battery defect recall causing overheating and fire risk during L3 DC charging. Recall has been open for 1+ year with no fix. Good thing is since my oldest daughter just uses it as a College commuter car, we don't need DC Charging. The people that regularly used DC charging for their Leaf, I guess they are SOL. The seat sensor has gone out twice on my Leaf for the front passenger seat which has been a $1k fix both times, not covered by my extended warranty :(. The only service I have needed in 2+ years of ownership for my Y, a tech came to my house and did the service in my garage. I rotate tires myself since my Dad has a 2-post car lift. My biggest complaint for my Y is how Tesla did the access for the Cabin Air Filter which is dumb. This was a little bit off-set that it only cost me $80 for a tech to come to my house and change it out and it is a 2-year cycle for the Y cabin air filter instead of 1-year I am used to for most cars. Interesting enough it looks like the HEPA filter has better access for it's 3-year service. Currently 34k miles on my Y and I expect I will have to put new tires on the Y sometime this year, keeping a close eye on the tread but so far appears to be wearing fairly evenly.
 

sdifox

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I am very interested in the BYD LFP blade batteries. A lot of the BYD BEV's look great.

My #1 concern about Chinese EV's is the implications of Chinese government ambitions around Taiwan and how that could impact BYD's sales outside of China.

As far as service nightmare, I have long list of complaints about my Nissan Leaf. Nissan still doesn't have a fix for a potential battery defect recall causing overheating and fire risk during L3 DC charging. Recall has been open for 1+ year with no fix. Good thing is since my oldest daughter just uses it as a College commuter car, we don't need DC Charging. The people that regularly used DC charging for their Leaf, I guess they are SOL. The seat sensor has gone out twice on my Leaf for the front passenger seat which has been a $1k fix both times, not covered by my extended warranty :(. The only service I have needed in 2+ years of ownership for my Y, a tech came to my house and did the service in my garage. I rotate tires myself since my Dad has a 2-post car lift. My biggest complaint for my Y is how Tesla did the access for the Cabin Air Filter which is dumb. This was a little bit off-set that it only cost me $80 for a tech to come to my house and change it out and it is a 2-year cycle for the Y cabin air filter instead of 1-year I am used to for most cars. Interesting enough it looks like the HEPA filter has better access for it's 3-year service. Currently 34k miles on my Y and I expect I will have to put new tires on the Y sometime this year, keeping a close eye on the tread but so far appears to be wearing fairly evenly.

Issue with Chinese vehicles is they actively suppress bad news about them and the government helps them. Totally different from the western world.

Xiaomi company personnel can get to the accident site faster than the police. And they take out the branding and cover the vehicle with a tarp, instead of investigating the crash, their priority is to lessen damage to brand.
 
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K1052

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My biggest complaint for my Y is how Tesla did the access for the Cabin Air Filter which is dumb. This was a little bit off-set that it only cost me $80 for a tech to come to my house and change it out and it is a 2-year cycle for the Y cabin air filter instead of 1-year I am used to for most cars. Interesting enough it looks like the HEPA filter has better access for it's 3-year service.

Every cabin air filter I've ever changed has been an exercise in frustration that they made it such a PITA.
 

IronWing

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So you don't use driver assistance features adaptive cruise control?
No. My limited experiences with driver assist features on rental cars were not pleasant. The first time I encountered lane assist, I swerved to avoid a deer in my lane and the f'in' car tried to pull me back into the lane. Playing around with other implementations of lane keepers had the car drifting back and forth from white line to white line. If I wanted that, I'd pop some opioids and do it myself. Adaptive cruise control makes no sense. If I am overtaking the car ahead of me, I would be planning a pass, not matching its speed.
 

sdifox

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No. My limited experiences with driver assist features on rental cars were not pleasant. The first time I encountered lane assist, I swerved to avoid a deer in my lane and the f'in' car tried to pull me back into the lane. Playing around with other implementations of lane keepers had the car drifting back and forth from white line to white line. If I wanted that, I'd pop some opioids and do it myself. Adaptive cruise control makes no sense. If I am overtaking the car ahead of me, I would be planning a pass, not matching its speed.
Adaptive cruise control is for long highway drives. Useful only in that scenario. You can always accelerate and the cruise control goes away or resumes after you let go of the gas pedal, depending on implementation.
 

Brovane

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Every cabin air filter I've ever changed has been an exercise in frustration that they made it such a PITA.

2014 Honda Pilot is brilliantly easily. All you do is open the glove box, empty everything out of it, push the plastic sides in and the glove box drops all the way down and the cabin air filter access is right there. 2019 Leaf you have to remove a trim piece underneath the glove box and then you can reach up and open a door to get at the cabin air filter. The problem was the plastic clip was extremely stubborn but I have done it a couple of times with my daughter. I let her reach her smaller hand to get to the access door. After a couple of times the plastic clip isn't as difficult to open either.
My Y was a shit show, have to remove two different trim pieces to get at the door. However the Tesla engineers used a metal screw for the door and the screw was on top of the door in a area that was extremely difficult to access because it was blocked by part of the dash. The frustration was the documentation and videos I found online said it was a plastic clip not a screw. I then found it later reading through reddit some model Y's for some unknown reason used a metal screw on top that required you to contort and get a tool small enough up there to remove the screw. At some point while I was contorting myself to get at it I decided to stop and look at what Tesla charged for the service. After I did see it was $80 for a mobile tech, I was like F#@kit I am going to pay someone to do this.
 
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Brovane

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No. My limited experiences with driver assist features on rental cars were not pleasant. The first time I encountered lane assist, I swerved to avoid a deer in my lane and the f'in' car tried to pull me back into the lane. Playing around with other implementations of lane keepers had the car drifting back and forth from white line to white line. If I wanted that, I'd pop some opioids and do it myself. Adaptive cruise control makes no sense. If I am overtaking the car ahead of me, I would be planning a pass, not matching its speed.

I love adaptive Cruise Control for long drives. Pro Pilot on the Leaf isn't bad with the lane keeping assist. I have found you can easily overpower the steering. The biggest issue I had with Pro Pilot is how it keeps the car in the center of the lane which if you are passing a semi on your right which is taking up it's entire lane, you generally move over a little bit in the lane to keep more room between your car and the semi.

Tesla FSD is a whole other animal especially for long drives. I can drive all the way from San Diego to the Bay Area using FSD and arrive not feeling totally exhausted from driving all day. It is a huge game changer for me and long drives. It will even scootch over in a lane if you have a lane splitting motorcycle coming up from behind to let them easily pass you.
 

manly

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Every cabin air filter I've ever changed has been an exercise in frustration that they made it such a PITA.
The 6th gen was the Honda's first Accord to have a cabin air filter. It was considered a "half hour" job, but it literally took me several hours of annoying work behind the glove box. I did it once, and never again.

In subsequent Accords, it was pretty easy (as described in #368) and takes just a few minutes.
 

sdifox

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LoL they'll copy anything. It would have been more fun if they let Hammond do tear down on these cars.