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Kaido

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bbhaag said:
No they do not and sales numbers reflect that.
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My guess is due to the range & price. The F-150 EV truck is 240/320 miles of range for ~$53k to $88k. I don't now who many truck guys who want a truck with only 300 miles of range, which gets cut in half by towing lol. Especially when you can get a great used ICE F-250 for $10k less with better features!

Same reason I don't have an EV yet...the story isn't compelling enough for my use case scenario :p
 
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Kaido said:
My guess is due to the range & price. The F-150 EV truck is 240/320 miles of range for ~$53k to $88k. I don't now who many truck guys who want a truck with only 300 miles of range, which gets cut in half by towing lol. Especially when you can get a great used ICE F-250 for $10k less with better features!

Same reason I don't have an EV yet...the story isn't compelling enough for my use case scenario :p
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Yeah you're right. Range anxiety is higher among EV truck buyers compared to your average EV buyer purchasing a crossover.
 
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bbhaag said:
How much more does it cost if you want to option the 4x4 option instead of the 4x2?
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You can Build & Price to your hearts content on Ford's website.

4WD adds $5K which seems high as all other trims are around $3,900 to add 4WD.
 
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Dr. Detroit said:
You can Build & Price to your hearts content on Ford's website.

4WD adds $5K which seems high as all other trims are around $3,900 to add 4WD.
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So $47K for a base F-150 with 4x4. Holy shit that is a lot of money for an XL just to get a regular cab with a longer bed and 4WD.
 
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bbhaag said:
Yeah you're right. Range anxiety is higher among EV truck buyers compared to your average EV buyer purchasing a crossover.
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tbh I'd say the F-150 EV truck is the best car/EV I've ever driven & the Mach-E is a close second. Ford really knocked the driving experience out of the park with both!

A 500-mile F-150 would be DOPE! But also probably $100k+ lol
 
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Mr.IncrediblyBored

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The conclusion I came to from that article is that people want more range. Not that they don't want electric only. I'm sure there is a mix of folks with range anxiety in that group just nervous going electric only who would realistically be just fine without the gas engine.
 
Kaido

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bbhaag said:
$47K for a F-150 XL with the 4x4 option is nuts. If anything this is Fords way of pushing customers into the higher trim levels like the XLT and Lariat.
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The interior on my buddy's F-250 is bonkers lol

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Greenman said:
Seems to me that buying an old truck and rebuilding every inch of it is becoming a viable solution. 50k for a base pickup is absurd.
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From google:

A car payment for a $50,000 truck will vary widely, but could be approximately $800 to $1,050 per month for a 60-month loan with no down payment, depending on your credit score and the loan's interest rate.
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In my 90's-kid head, $800/mo is Corvette money lol
 
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While the minivan itself is interesting, I find the marketing difference between China and the US markets jarring. GM would never release a marketing image in the US showing a child sitting in her mother's lap while the car was moving. :p

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All-New 2026 Buick Electra Encasa Interior Design Unveiled

SAIC-GM has just unveiled the all-new 2026 Buick Electra Encasa interior design, boasting a high-tech user experience for the range-topping full-size MPV.
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iRONic

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That’s crazy! The local Ford KTP & KAP plants are pumping billions into both facilities.

“As Ford Authority previously reported, the Ford Louisville Assembly plant is set to undergo a major retooling starting this December that involves a massive $2 billion dollar investmenton the automaker's part, which will prepare that facility for the production of a brand new mid-size all-electric pickup riding on the automaker's Universal Platform. Production of that model isn't slated to begin until 2027, however, which means that workers at the Ford Louisville Assembly plant will be idle for a while - just like its assembly lines.”

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UAW Local 862 Prepares Ford Louisville Assembly Plant Workers For Layoffs

The UAW Local 862 is preparing around 2,000 workers at the Ford Louisville Assembly plant for an upcoming 10-month layoff as that facility is retooled.
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iRONic said:
That’s crazy! The local Ford KTP & KAP plants are pumping billions into both facilities.

“As Ford Authority previously reported, the Ford Louisville Assembly plant is set to undergo a major retooling starting this December that involves a massive $2 billion dollar investmenton the automaker's part, which will prepare that facility for the production of a brand new mid-size all-electric pickup riding on the automaker's Universal Platform. Production of that model isn't slated to begin until 2027, however, which means that workers at the Ford Louisville Assembly plant will be idle for a while - just like its assembly lines.”

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UAW Local 862 Prepares Ford Louisville Assembly Plant Workers For Layoffs

The UAW Local 862 is preparing around 2,000 workers at the Ford Louisville Assembly plant for an upcoming 10-month layoff as that facility is retooled.
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That plant is being retooled for the new ev truck right? The midsize one that Ford is promoting.
 
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elmo talking out of his ass per usual

Elon Musk slashes Tesla Robotaxi fleet goal from 500 to ~60 in Austin

Elon Musk announced last night that Tesla is planning to “roughly double” its Robotaxi fleet in Austin next month. While...
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During his appearance on the All-In Podcast, which aired on October 31, 2025, Musk was explicitly asked about the scale of the fleet. His answer was unambiguous:
“We’re scaling up the number of cars to… probably we’ll have a thousand cars or more in the Bay Area by the end of this year, probably 500 or more in the greater Austin area.”
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Based on observations from the Austin community and tracking of the vehicle VINs and plate numbers, the current Tesla Robotaxi fleet in Austin is estimated to be around 30 vehicles. In fact, 29 different Robotaxi license plates were spotted in Austin.

If Tesla “roughly doubles” that fleet in December, they will have approximately 60 vehicles on the road.

That is a far cry from the 500 that Musk projected just weeks ago. In fact, it represents a shortfall of nearly 90% against the target.

This massive miss in deployment targets is particularly ironic given Musk’s recent comments about competitors. When Waymo announced earlier this month that it had reached 2,500 active robotaxis across the US (with about 200 in Austin alone), Musk scoffed, calling them “Rookie numbers.”


Yet, the data shows that Waymo currently operates a fleet in Austin that is roughly 3x to 4x larger than what Tesla hopes to have after its expansion next month. And unlike Tesla’s pilot, Waymo’s Austin fleet is operating fully driverless, without human chaperones in the front seat.
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Tesla announces expected FSD approval date in Europe, regulators deny

Tesla confirmed that the Dutch vehicle authority has committed to granting national approval for FSD in February 2026.
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For the first time in what feels like forever, Tesla has put a hard date on the arrival of Full Self-Driving (Supervised) in Europe. The automaker confirmed that the Dutch vehicle authority (RDW) has committed to granting national approval for the system in February 2026, which is just a few months away.

Update: RDW has denied that it has told Tesla it plans to grant approval in February.
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how he hasnt been fine/charged with stock manipulation is beyond belief.

they havent even applied for an exemption for the taxi (no human controls) with DOT rules that require controls in any passenger vehicle. zoox got the exemption for their nevada test, tesla hasnt even started the paperwork but are claiming taxis will be coming in '26.
 
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bbhaag

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OOF...the Ford F-150 Lightning is officially dead and production will wind down by the end of the year. Looks like they plan on turning it into an "EREV" which is just stupid Stellantis marketing speak for a series hybrid. Anyway.......goodbye F-150 Lightning we hardly got the chance to know you.

As a Ford Mustang Mach-E owner this makes me more than a little nervous.


As part of this plan, Ford’s next-generation F-150 Lightning will shift to an extended-range electric vehicle (EREV) architecture and be assembled at the Rouge Electric Vehicle Center in Dearborn, Michigan. Production of the current generation F-150 Lightning has concluded as Ford redeploys employees to Dearborn Truck Plant to support a third crew for F-150 gas and hybrid truck production as a result of the Novelis fires.
 
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gorobei said:
elmo talking out of his ass per usual

Elon Musk slashes Tesla Robotaxi fleet goal from 500 to ~60 in Austin

Elon Musk announced last night that Tesla is planning to “roughly double” its Robotaxi fleet in Austin next month. While...
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Tesla announces expected FSD approval date in Europe, regulators deny

Tesla confirmed that the Dutch vehicle authority has committed to granting national approval for FSD in February 2026.
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how he hasnt been fine/charged with stock manipulation is beyond belief.

they havent even applied for an exemption for the taxi (no human controls) with DOT rules that require controls in any passenger vehicle. zoox got the exemption for their nevada test, tesla hasnt even started the paperwork but are claiming taxis will be coming in '26.
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Biden Administration had 4-years to target Elmo.
 
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meh truck people want the ability to tow crap 1000 miles without stopping to charge every 150 or whatever miles even though they never will. The full size should have always been an erev and they need to make a mavrick sized EV truck. It was too early and all that battery capacity should have went to the mach e and fiesta sized cheap ev. Maybe offer the full size without the range extender as a fleet truck for all the businesses that just need a truck for short range stuff and make it cheap.
 
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