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bbhaag

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I ended up going with a ChargePoint..it gets installed next Thursday!
Congrats on the EVSE purchase! That is a solid unit and should last you for years to come.

Just out of curiosity how are you getting it wired? Did you decide to do hardwire or go with the plug option?
 

bbhaag

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OH! I almost forgot to mention it but you need one of these now to put on the wall of were your charger is located. It is super cheap and I get so many positive comments about it from family and friends.


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Congrats on the EVSE purchase! That is a solid unit and should last you for years to come.

Just out of curiosity how are you getting it wired? Did you decide to do hardwire or go with the plug option?
i'm going the hardwired route. i know the plug is convenient, but they're more susceptible to failure from continuous service. even though a properly rated plug should last a very, very long time
 
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bbhaag

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i'm going the hardwired route. i know the plug is convenient, but they're more susceptible to failure from continuous service. even though a properly rated plug should last a very, very long time
I'm so happy to read this. You have really done your research and it shows. I really hope your EV experience is as great as mine has been.
 
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Kaido

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Ha, very fair I earned that one. Thanks for calling me out on it.:)

No that was just a random google image search funny picture, not a call-out lol

But yeah, I have some long driving days & don't want to have wait around to charge. I'm rarely near Superchargers too, so then it would be a detour on top of a wait. I try to make my trips as efficient as possible between the time on the road, scheduling to avoid traffic delays, etc. I'm in absolutely zero rush to get an EV. The thought of an electric, metal El Camino with a bed & self-driving was EXTREMELY appealing to me in a very practical sense, but now they're political hate symbols with half the range & parts literally falling off, so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Some fun road tools I use OTG:
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2025 Car and Driver EV of the Year: The Contenders


My wife & I would like to switch to to electric at some point, but we're in no rush. Hers is a city car & mine would be a long-range EV with some storage room for hauling stuff around for work. Unfortunately the 2019 Cybertruck promise fell through, so because that ship has sailed, we're back on the hunt. What looks promising now:

1. Slate truck: Cheap, customizable, perfect to park in the city. 110% would decorate like the Pizza Planet truck from Toy Story lol.

2. VW Bus: LOVE the concept, don't like the crazy price or short range. NACS incoming, which solves the current-gen's charging problems. Dunno why they didn't put a mega 500-mile battery in it due to the HUGE SIZE and camping heritage.

3. Rivian R3X: LOVE LOVE LOVE the design! Too small to have a big battery tho. But quirky & cool!

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sdifox

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this just in, free charging at work is awesome and gas stations are now for suckers (yes that's obligatory hyperbole, but it is a sweet perk).

on the topic of charging though, what does everyone use for their home chargers? there seems to be a myriad of models where none of them are truly "bad". the biggest contention seems to be whether to use a 240V plug or to have the charger hardwired to the panel.
Hardwire is more efficient, and no need for GFCI.
 
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2025 Car and Driver EV of the Year: The Contenders


My wife & I would like to switch to to electric at some point, but we're in no rush. Hers is a city car & mine would be a long-range EV with some storage room for hauling stuff around for work. Unfortunately the 2019 Cybertruck promise fell through, so because that ship has sailed, we're back on the hunt. What looks promising now:

1. Slate truck: Cheap, customizable, perfect to park in the city. 110% would decorate like the Pizza Planet truck from Toy Story lol.

2. VW Bus: LOVE the concept, don't like the crazy price or short range. NACS incoming, which solves the current-gen's charging problems. Dunno why they didn't put a mega 500-mile battery in it due to the HUGE SIZE and camping heritage.

3. Rivian R3X: LOVE LOVE LOVE the design! Too small to have a big battery tho. But quirky & cool!

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i get that only newly released vehicles are generally eligible for anyone's COTY awards...but man, these are all very high-priced. Out of general interest and biggest bet, my vote is the Charger. A classic muscle car turned electric? Absolute heresy. Or it could be something closer to revolutionary for the muscle car segment.
 

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i get that only newly released vehicles are generally eligible for anyone's COTY awards...but man, these are all very high-priced. Out of general interest and biggest bet, my vote is the Charger. A classic muscle car turned electric? Absolute heresy. Or it could be something closer to revolutionary for the muscle car segment.

Everyone hates it, but I like it lol. The lease deal was CRAZY!

 
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Yeah all but one or two extremely expensive. This one is in a league of its own.

Lucid Air Sapphire​

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JESSICA LYNN WALKER|CAR AND DRIVER
The Lucid Air Sapphire should come with a swear jar. Expletives are involuntary when driving this 1234-hp electric Q-ship, because the Sapphire is absolutely bonkers. It's the quickest car we've ever tested. Full stop. Its 1.9-second rip to 60 mph ties the Porsche Taycan Turbo GT Weissach, but the Lucid pulls away from there, topping out at 208 mph and clearing the quarter-mile in 9.1 ticks at 155 mph. That time matches a $4.3 million Bugatti Chiron Super Sport. That's crazy. But the Sapphire also has a composed ride, a quiet cabin, a body-swallowing trunk, and a back seat fit for NBA players. It's also supremely satisfying to drive hard, with super-grippy Pirelli Trofeo RS tires helping it stop from 70 mph in just 140 feet and post 1.06 g's of cornering stick. Along with addictive on-demand adrenaline dumps, the Sapphire has impressive EV credentials. Its EPA-estimated 427 miles of range ranks among the best, and its 900-volt electrical system allows ultra-fast DC-charging pit stops. It has all the great traits of the 10Best-winning Air models, plus a ballistic tri-motor, all-wheel-drive powertrain. A price that crests $250K makes the Sapphire the priciest car here, but its performance is equally otherworldly. —Eric Stafford
 
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First road trip in the Mach E. 150mi one way. A Flying J truck stop alonf the way had some GM Energy 350kW chargers. Worked wonderfully, and the lounge upstairs in the rest stop was legit. My only complaint would be that the cables are just barely long enough to get the charge port at the front of the car.
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First road trip in the Mach E. 150mi one way. A Flying J truck stop alonf the way had some GM Energy 350kW chargers. Worked wonderfully, and the lounge upstairs in the rest stop was legit. My only complaint would be that the cables are just barely long enough to get the charge port at the front of the car.
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Maybe you should have used the next stall and park head in?
 
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bbhaag

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Lucid gets a NAC adapter:


Really great comment on the history of things:
In the early days of DCFC all chargers provided up to 400v, and cars had 400v systems. Then about a decade ago the CCS standard was revised to require 1000v for high power chargers (100kw and above). This enabled the development of fast charging 800v cars like the Hyundai/Kia/Genesis EGMP vehicles, Lucid Air, and Porsche Taycan.

However, these cars still needed to charge at the older low power 400v chargers. To do that, a 400v-800v converter was built into the car. This takes the 400v from the charger, upscales it to 800v for the battery. But the electronics to do this gets more expensive and heavy depending on how much power can be converted, so only the minimum necessary converter was included. The Lucid only can convert 50kw, the EGMP cars are limited to 97kw.

Meanwhile, Tesla just kept using 400v, even with 250kw/325kw chargers. When these 800v cars were designed, no one anticipated that they would ever need to connect to these Tesla chargers, so why spend money on higher power converters? Then everything changed, and now we have cars that were never designed to plug into high power 400v chargers. So they do work, but with speed limitations. The ultimate fix will be 1000v chargers from Tesla, starting to come later this year.

Voltage matters! I've been preaching this for over a year and a half to shoppers looking at EVs but they ignore it and move on then they are shocked when their 800v fast charging EV charges balls slow at all but a select few DCFCs.:rolleyes:

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First road trip in the Mach E. 150mi one way. A Flying J truck stop alonf the way had some GM Energy 350kW chargers. Worked wonderfully, and the lounge upstairs in the rest stop was legit. My only complaint would be that the cables are just barely long enough to get the charge port at the front of the car.
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Congrats on a successful road trip! I'm so happy to hear your first attempt at DCFC went well. I know it is hard to believe but that first time can really make or break your EV ownership experience.

Have you purchased a NACS adapter yet for Supercharger access or did one come with the vehicle at purchase?
 
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sdifox

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I can't believe MB didn't even bother to put hood struts on the EQS hood and that hood release is behind a screwed on plastic cover.
 
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Fenixgoon

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Congrats on a successful road trip! I'm so happy to hear your first attempt at DCFC went well. I know it is hard to believe but that first time can really make or break your EV ownership experience.

Have you purchased a NACS adapter yet for Supercharger access or did one come with the vehicle at purchase?
Pretty sure the car came with an NACS/J1772 adapter since Ford has been in partnership with Tesla on the charging network for a little while now.
 

bbhaag

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Pretty sure the car came with an NACS/J1772 adapter since Ford has been in partnership with Tesla on the charging network for a little while now.
You should check under the floor in the rear hatch area just to be sure. I believe that Ford made the adapter optional equipment starting in Q2 2025. If one was not included then A2Z makes a solid unit and it is under $200.

Sorry but I'm going to pester you with more questions.:) Have dl'ed the FordPass app yet and connected it to your vehicle? If you have you need to set up PAAK, Plug & Charge, and use Connected Services to gain access to the BlueOval Charge Network.

Doing these things will make you MME ownership experience to much better! Sorry if I'm being a little overbearing or telling you shit you already know but I just want your first EV experience to be a great one! :) :cool:
 

Fenixgoon

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You should check under the floor in the rear hatch area just to be sure. I believe that Ford made the adapter optional equipment starting in Q2 2025. If one was not included then A2Z makes a solid unit and it is under $200.

Sorry but I'm going to pester you with more questions.:) Have dl'ed the FordPass app yet and connected it to your vehicle? If you have you need to set up PAAK, Plug & Charge, and use Connected Services to gain access to the BlueOval Charge Network.

Doing these things will make you MME ownership experience to much better! Sorry if I'm being a little overbearing or telling you shit you already know but I just want your first EV experience to be a great one! :) :cool:
Yeah I moved everything from the trunk to the frunk 😊 so there's some adapter there I just didn't bother to check at the time what it looks like. I'm assuming that's what it is.

I got the Ford pass app which is very handy! I've read that PAAK is hit or miss so I don't mind having the key on me all the time. Gotta have house keys and stuff anyway.

It's already been great. Definitely the best car I've owned yet! Averaged 124MPGe on my road trip 😁
 
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