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Kaido

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They're finally making a Tesla diner:


imo this has been a HUGE missed opportunity for a cash cow: every Supercharger station should have either an automated bodega for snacks & drinks, a convenience store & bathroom, or a restaurant. Basically endless free money because you have a captive audience for 15 to 60 minutes per charging stop. Do what McDonald's did & franchise it out as a real estate income source!


 

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China to get Model 3+ with 500+ miles of range:


It's designed to compete with the Xiaomi SU7, which has a whopping 516-mile. Why can't we get the cool stuff here in America 😭

From the comments: (estimated)

* Charge to 30% is like 4 minutes and you get 150 miles
* Also, if the battery loses 50% range, you still get 250 miles
 

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Uber to deploy 20,000 Lucid Gravity robotaxis equipped with Nuro Driver, beginning next year:


* Next-generation premium global robotaxi program created exclusively for the Uber ride-hailing platform
* Uber said the 20,000 planned Lucid robotaxis will roll out in dozens of global markets over the next six years, beginning in a major US city in 2026.
* Good luck Tesla!!

Reduced it all to an NVIDIA SoC, incredible:

 

Kaido

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We were already behind even with the IRA and now that it's done the Chinese lead will likely become unassailable. Putting a wall around the county and saying "oil burners only" is an incredible own goal while China corners the global clean energy and EV market. And Elon helped make it happen.

We are kind of nuts!

 

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China gets a longer 6-seat Model YL:


3" shorter than an X
427-mile range

This would do well in the states!

I am suspicious of that range. China does a different testing cycle than the EPA. The Y uses a 75 kWh battery pack and the YL has a 82.5 kWh pack.
However I think the larger size would do well in the states but will Tesla bring it to the states?
 

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The larger Y with more range probably would have been a great product for the US market. Too bad he helped get rid of the EV credit and severely damaged the brand's image with the most likely customers for such a vehicle.
 
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The larger Y with more range probably would have been a great product for the US market. Too bad he helped get rid of the EV credit and severely damaged the brand's image with the most likely customers for such a vehicle.

We do marketing case studies in class & it's one of the craziest business stories I've ever seen.

I think the cars will recover just fine, but the truck is toast for sure.
 

Kaido

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I am suspicious of that range. China does a different testing cycle than the EPA. The Y uses a 75 kWh battery pack and the YL has a 82.5 kWh pack.
However I think the larger size would do well in the states but will Tesla bring it to the states?

They had the lead for ages, but everyone else is either catching up or beating them now. And refreshes don't really count...cars are fashion statements to many people. I mean, even Subaru has the cool Uncharted EV coming out:


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They had the lead for ages, but everyone else is either catching up or beating them now. And refreshes don't really count...cars are fashion statements to many people. I mean, even Subaru has the cool Uncharted EV coming out:


" Putting a wall around the county and saying "oil burners only" is an incredible own goal while China corners the global clean energy and EV market. And Elon helped make it happen."

It is just stupid, the current regime is basically handicapping current US EV Production while the rest of the world moves on and China corners the market on global clean energy and the EV Market.
 
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Kaido

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It is just stupid, the current regime is basically handicapping current US EV Production while the rest of the world moves on and China corners the market on global clean energy and the EV Market.

ChatGPT response:

1. The current administration is not very pro-EV

2. A lot of it is due to the typical two-party fighting "requirements", i.e. rolling back Biden-era policies

3. There is also the driving force to be energy-independent, and while I don't like the idea of fracking in America, it would be nice to have our own fuel supply so that we're not internationally-dependent

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Q. Is the current administration anti-EV?

ChatGPT said:​

It appears that the current U.S. administration—under President Trump as of January 20, 2025—is broadly taking actions that can accurately be described as anti–electric vehicle (EV) in policy.

Key Evidence on Administration’s EV Stance​

1. Reversal of Biden-era EV targets and subsidies

  • On his first day in office (January 20, 2025), President Trump issued an executive order rescinding the Biden administration’s EV target of 50% of new vehicle sales being electric by 2030, pausing federal funding for EV infrastructure, and instructing agencies to reconsider emissions standards that would have required 30–56% EV sales by 2032 Electrification Coalition+15Car and Driver+15Al Jazeera+15.
  • The EPA formally announced on March 12, 2025 its intention to roll back these EV-related rules under the “Powering the Great American Comeback” initiative US EPA.

2. Government fleet and charger shutdowns

  • Memos from the General Services Administration confirmed that the government suspended orders of zero-emission vehicles, shut down federally‑owned charging stations deemed “not mission‑critical,” and disconnected EV chargers made available to federal employees and visitors Reddit+4NPR+4WUSF+4.

3. Halting NEVI infrastructure and funding

  • The Federal Highway Administration ordered states to halt approval and implementation of the National Electric Vehicle Infrastructure (NEVI) program, which was funded by Congress to build thousands of EV charging stations. Even though these programs were statutory, the administration suspended guidance and obligations to spend the money CNBC+12Electrification Coalition+12Reddit+12.

4. Eliminating tax credits

  • The administration is phasing out or plans to eliminate the federal EV purchase tax credit—up to $7,500—starting September 2025. That’s expected to undermine EV sales, with analysts predicting sagging demand in Q4 of 2025 Business Standard+3Axios+3Axios+3.
  • The Trump transition team previously recommended killing this credit entirely, as confirmed by Reuters and subsequent reports Reddit+4CNBC+4Business Standard+4.

5. Tariffs on EV supply chains

  • The administration has announced high tariffs on components critical to EV manufacturing like battery materials and graphite—seeded under national security rationales—raising costs and complicating American EV production WFDD+15CNBC+15Business Standard+15.

6. Legal attacks on California’s EV mandates

  • The administration moved to block California’s authority to maintain stricter emissions standards designed to phase out gasoline-only cars by 2035, launching legal and regulatory challenges Reddit+3Car and Driver+3EV.com+3.

🔎 Summary: Is the administration “anti-EV”?​

Yes. The administration has systematically rolled back federal EV efforts—including purchase incentives, government fleet electrification, EV infrastructure funding, and state-level emissions mandates—shifting instead toward fossil‑fuel vehicle support and deregulation. These actions indicate an overall policy orientation hostile to accelerating EV adoption federally.

📉 Impact Snapshot​

AreaAdministration’s Position / Action
Federal EV targetsRevoked; no 50% EV sales goal
Tax incentives$7,500 EV credit phased out; will end by Sept 30, 2025
Government fleet purchasesHalted zero-emission vehicle orders and shut EV charger networks
Charging infrastructureSuspended NEVI grant program and paused planners
TariffsHigh tariffs on key battery supply chain imports
State mandates (e.g. California)Rolling back legal authority under the Clean Air Act waiver


⚠️ Political context & outlook​


In short: Yes, the current administration has adopted a suite of policy measures that substantially impair the federal government’s support for electric vehicles—arguably making it broadly anti-EV.
 

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ChatGPT response:

1. The current administration is not very pro-EV

2. A lot of it is due to the typical two-party fighting "requirements", i.e. rolling back Biden-era policies

3. There is also the driving force to be energy-independent, and while I don't like the idea of fracking in America, it would be nice to have our own fuel supply so that we're not internationally-dependent

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I wouldnt trust a fancy-sounding autocomplete but it is true that trump is anti-EV and anti-biden/Obama (reversing their policies).
We're already a net exporter when it comes to oil and gas though. The best way to become energy-independent in any sense of that term would be to develop clean technologies that don't require oil/gas in the first place.
Of course, those clean technologies often rely on things like rare earth elements (not really all that rare, but mines and refineries take time to build, and a trade war with China would be stupid), and copper (which trump wants to tariff)
 

Kaido

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I wouldnt trust a fancy-sounding autocomplete but it is true that trump is anti-EV and anti-biden/Obama (reversing their policies).
We're already a net exporter when it comes to oil and gas though. The best way to become energy-independent in any sense of that term would be to develop clean technologies that don't require oil/gas in the first place.
Of course, those clean technologies often rely on things like rare earth elements (not really all that rare, but mines and refineries take time to build, and a trade war with China would be stupid), and copper (which trump wants to tariff)

Looks like hydrogen cars really compare with hybrids & not EV's as far as lifetime emissions go:


Batteries ARE an option for US./ mining!

The U.S. has significant untapped lithium deposits and is actively pursuing domestic lithium production to reduce reliance on foreign sources. While the US has only one active lithium mine (Silver Peak in Nevada), there are over 70 lithium mine proposals in the exploration or permitting phase across nine states.


Do we have enough minerals to make the EV batteries we will need?

Yes. While demand for these minerals is already high and expected to grow significantly in the coming years, there are enough minerals to meet today and tomorrow’s EV needs.

The problem is that the upstream portion of the supply chain is unprepared to meet this demand. Today, although there are enough minerals, there are not enough operating mines.

Since it can take years to establish a mine, we need to move very quickly to ensure that supply can meet growing demand while also respecting the expressed needs of local communities. This work will require significant investment to do so: in the United States alone, we’ll need to invest $175 billion in the next two or three years to match China’s battery production.
 

Ken g6

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It is just stupid, the current regime is basically handicapping current US EV Production while the rest of the world moves on and China corners the market on global clean energy and the EV Market.
This really is the best explanation I've seen for Republican logic on this:


First, assume for the sake of this argument that global warming doesn't matter. This is an extremely hard thing for any educated person to assume, but try.

Second, from https://www.politico.com/news/2025/05/19/china-clean-energy-gop-megabill-debate-00355229:

The other side says China has already won the clean energy race, due in part to practices such as forced labor, massive subsidies and intellectual property theft — and playing in that game would make the United States the loser.

Basically, even if we managed to produce EVs here we'd still be relying heavily on critical minerals from China, and probably patents too. So they want to suppress EVs to avoid giving China anything.

They want the U.S. to focus on energy sources it already dominates, including oil, natural gas and coal.

Which feels at best like a Pyrrhic victory to me.
 
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Ken g6

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I grew up in southern California & got to see L.A.'s smog constantly:
Edited to try to make it clear that I do personally think global warming matters. But to make any sense of current policies you have to try to set that aside.
 

Kaido

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This really is the best explanation I've seen for Republican logic on this:


First, assume for the sake of this argument that global warming doesn't matter. This is an extremely hard thing for any educated person to assume, but try.

Second, from https://www.politico.com/news/2025/05/19/china-clean-energy-gop-megabill-debate-00355229:



Basically, even if we managed to produce EVs here we'd still be relying heavily on critical minerals from China, and probably patents too. So they want to suppress EVs to avoid giving China anything.



Which feels at best like a Pyrrhic victory to me.

I cannot tell you how many times I have had to explain to a MAGA person that Lithium isn't a rare mineral and the biggest sources of Lithium for the US are Australia and Chile. Just looked at the Monroney sticker for my Model Y. 90% of Parts was sourced from US, Canada, Mexico. The supply chain for EV's is continuing to be on-shored in the US. This is just cutting off your nose to spite your face. Seems to be a common tactic of the GOP.
 
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Kaido

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I cannot tell you how many times I have had to explain to a MAGA person that Lithium isn't a rare mineral and the biggest sources of Lithium for the US are Australia and Chile. Just looked at the Monroney sticker for my Model Y. 90% of Parts was sourced from US, Canada, Mexico. The supply chain for EV's is continuing to be on-shored in the US. This is just cutting off your nose to spite your face. Seems to be a common tactic of the GOP.

While I still get sucked into feeding the trolls sometimes (because if I was missing the full scoop on the truth of the situation, I would want to know!!), my first audit question is generally this:

Is this person seeking answers, or an argument?

It all starts with the Excuse Matrix:

Are they seeking the truth, or fake news?

Fake news comes in 3 flavors:

1. What we hope to be true (Hopium!)
2. What we fear to be true (anxiety!)
3. What we have already pre-decided to be true (stupidity! lol)

When you talk to someone who is looking for an argument:

1. They are not seeking answers
2. They have already pre-decided what is true, or else are so locked into hope or fear that they are unable to think clearly
3. They just want to enjoy picking a fight & being "right". People "love to hate" & feel justified "hating the haters", which is really just a thin disguise for excusing being angry.

Confirmation bias is a POWERFUL drug! In addition:

1. Not everyone has the ability to differentiate between opinion & facts
2. Not everyone has the ability to see beyond their own beliefs
3. Once people publicly state something, they feel the need to defend it, so changing publicly is hard because we feel the need to defend ourselves so that we don't look bad

A big indicator of where people stand is what kind of perspective they have on the situation:

1. Pot of beans
2. Cans of beans

If you're making bean chili, you need a lot of different beans. Being able to look at the recipe in a nuanced way & have discussions about the individual pars is a sign of an open-minded person because they are open to learning new information & seeing new perspectives! But some people have a very rigid, black & white, all-or-nothing fixed perspective, aka "the WHOLE pot of beans, or bust". It's hard not to get sucked into these types of discussions when you have more details to share so that the other person doesn't walk around in ignorance with incorrect information! There are usually a bunch of standard signs:

1. They want to have an argument, not a discussion
2. They engage in "bad faith" arguments
3. They want to force you to have a different discussion that what you want to talk about & try to pigeon-hole you into a binary discussion instead of a nuanced one because they have a strong need for people to publicly agree with them
4. They remove all context from the discussion & take what you say negatively
5.They extrapolate judgmental stories

This behavior generally stems from a few root causes:

1. Emotional problems (ex. driven by anger)
2. Mental problems (unable to comprehend the data)
3. Troll behavior (cranks, sociopaths, narcissists, etc.)
4. Uneducated on the topic in question, but unwilling to learn more to become fully educated

It mostly all boils dow to the pyschology of how people see any given situation:

1. With a fixed mindset ("I can't & here's why")
2. With a growth mindset ("I can & I'm willing to learn & to keep trying")

Self-limiting talk turns into self-limiting behavior, which becomes a trap we all get sucked into sometimes because we all want people to see OUR perspective! It's tough too because ALL communication is persuasion & some people are VERY persuasive! My audit filter goes like this:

1. Just because someone says it,
2. Even if they say it with confidence,
3. Even if they really believe it,

...doesn't mean it's true!

A relevant discussion point here is Elon Musk, who easily the most visible player in the EV space currently. I think he does a lot of cool stuff with technology! Does that mean that I feel need to defend his non-EV behavior, as opposed to auditing what he does that is relevant to my interests? Does that mean I need to hate-stalk him politically 24/7 or publicly protest him? Does that mean that I need to have a para-social fanboy relationship with him? Meh. There will always be public figures doing crazy stuff. The news cycle is literally spewing that stuff 24/7/365!

But some people are "pot of beans" people who think that everyone needs to get onboard with THEIR perspective, have the same opinions they do, share those opinions IRL or online, agree with those opinions publicly, etc., or else they'll childishly vilify you lol.

Personally, I have low expectations for most politicians & ultra-wealthy capitalists. I don't expect them to behave well. There are plenty of perfectly reasonable causes to commit yourself to: save the whales, save the starving kids, save Ukraine, save Gaza, protest healthcare, clean up the plastic in the ocean, etc. I fully support protesting as a right & think that people should follow their heart, and even if I agree with someone's perspective, that doesn't mean that I want to dedicate my life & donate my free time to that particular cause! Because the reality is that the world has always been a weird place lol. Case in point:


Anyway, good luck with your educational efforts!! Sometimes people will honestly listen & sometimes people just feel the need to pick a fight ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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Kaido

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Lucid gets a NAC adapter:


Really great comment on the history of things:

In the early days of DCFC all chargers provided up to 400v, and cars had 400v systems. Then about a decade ago the CCS standard was revised to require 1000v for high power chargers (100kw and above). This enabled the development of fast charging 800v cars like the Hyundai/Kia/Genesis EGMP vehicles, Lucid Air, and Porsche Taycan.

However, these cars still needed to charge at the older low power 400v chargers. To do that, a 400v-800v converter was built into the car. This takes the 400v from the charger, upscales it to 800v for the battery. But the electronics to do this gets more expensive and heavy depending on how much power can be converted, so only the minimum necessary converter was included. The Lucid only can convert 50kw, the EGMP cars are limited to 97kw.

Meanwhile, Tesla just kept using 400v, even with 250kw/325kw chargers. When these 800v cars were designed, no one anticipated that they would ever need to connect to these Tesla chargers, so why spend money on higher power converters? Then everything changed, and now we have cars that were never designed to plug into high power 400v chargers. So they do work, but with speed limitations. The ultimate fix will be 1000v chargers from Tesla, starting to come later this year.
 

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this just in, free charging at work is awesome and gas stations are now for suckers (yes that's obligatory hyperbole, but it is a sweet perk).

on the topic of charging though, what does everyone use for their home chargers? there seems to be a myriad of models where none of them are truly "bad". the biggest contention seems to be whether to use a 240V plug or to have the charger hardwired to the panel.
Hardwired is the way to go unless you already have a 240v line to your garage.
 
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After more than 250,000 miles, Ford Mustang Mach-E still has 92% battery life:


Dang man! That's VERY encouraging!! @bbhaag @Fenixgoon
Thanks for the heads up! I actually read about this several weeks ago when he posted to the MME FB group chat. It's really cool to see a MME get up to that many miles!

Here is a link to the OG FB post that the article is based on. It's another great community to hang out on and talk about the MME or just shoot the shit with other members. https://www.facebook.com/groups/MustangMachEOwners/permalink/1703974730299384/
 

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this just in, free charging at work is awesome and gas stations are now for suckers (yes that's obligatory hyperbole, but it is a sweet perk).

on the topic of charging though, what does everyone use for their home chargers? there seems to be a myriad of models where none of them are truly "bad". the biggest contention seems to be whether to use a 240V plug or to have the charger hardwired to the panel.
@Fenixgoon I don't know how I missed this but I hope it is not to late to offer my suggestion. I LOVE my Emporia charger. It is hands down one of the best chargers on the market right now. I installed mine DIY about three years ago and it has been rock solid. It also has many other options if you decide to get into alternative energy production at home like solar or wind. It is on the more expensive side but it offers the ability to expand which is nice.

Tom over a State of Charge is one of the de facto source for EV charger reviews and for two years in a row the Emporia has been one of his recommendations.


Here is a pic of my Emporia charging my MME shorty after installation.
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@Fenixgoon I don't know how I missed this but I hope it is not to late to offer my suggestion. I LOVE my Emporia charger. It is hands down one of the best chargers on the market right now. I installed mine DIY about three years ago and it has been rock solid. It also has many other options if you decide to get into alternative energy production at home like solar or wind. It is on the more expensive side but it offers the ability to expand which is nice.

Tom over a State of Charge is one of the de facto source for EV charger reviews and for two years in a row the Emporia has been one of his recommendations.


Here is a pic of my Emporia charging my MME shorty after installation.
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I ended up going with a ChargePoint..it gets installed next Thursday!
 
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