Discussion 2024 USA Election Thread: Biden and Dems might have problems in 2024 swing states - The Gaza Issue

[GettyRoad]

So transgender day of remembrance vigils are going to be held now and for the next few days.

The one I went to today had a number of speakers, including a democratic congressman and a rabbi.


Maybe we are all "corporate" dems, but I was not seeing fractures. Granted, it was a big funeral, commemorating Trans day of remembrance, which is basically telling the story of the many transgender people who have been murdered in the past year. But everyone showed up, including all the factions of the dem party tent. Perhaps it was the solemn occasion, but all the rumors of massive splits were not to be seen.

The after party mingled as usual and it was all very friendly.


In other words, your theories of dem party splits not happening. The reports of Dem party minorities suddenly hating each other are wildly exaggerated.

They aren't going to show it publicly, but there are rifts between groups. Blacks and Latinos have rifts, have you forgotten former Los Angeles Democratic City Council President Nury Martinez's remarks about Black people?

Opinion | What Los Angeles needs more than resignations after leaked racist audio

To truly tackle anti-Blackness, our leaders must address how the city's system allows for the overrepresentation of Black people in places like our jails and child welfare system.

www.nbcnews.com

If you think Dem party minorities don't have rifts, you need to read up.

'You be quiet, girl:' Alabama Democrats' board meeting made private after members protest | Alabama Reflector

The Alabama Democratic Party Saturday faced protests as the DNC investigates complaints over recent bylaw changes and the elimination of diversity caucuses.

alabamareflector.com

"SDEC member Eddgra Fallin, in an exchange outside before the meeting with protesting members, said that Black Democrats deserve more representation than other minority groups “because of slavery” and “that’s why [Black Democrats] get to determine.”

“When Hispanics came to this country, they didn’t come into slave ships. They weren’t forced to labor for free for 400 years. They did not suffer Jim Crow. They have the right to vote. They have not had to fight for anything,” she said.

 

[Leeea]

They aren't going to show it publicly, but there are rifts between groups. Blacks and Latinos have rifts, have you forgotten former Los Angeles Democratic City Council President Nury Martinez's remarks about Black people?

https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opini...-anti-black-remarks-hurts-deepest-l-rcna52207

If you think Dem party minorities don't have rifts, you need to read up.

https://alabamareflector.com/2023/0...d-meeting-made-private-after-members-protest/

Whats your point?

How is that going to stop anyone from voting dem?

No, seriously, how is that going to cause an inter party fight? How is that going to make the minorities hate each other?


Your own articles included cleanup on aisle 6 notes. You think black people are going to suddenly vote R because a bunch of officials in LA were forced out of office after making anti-black remarks?


Your Alabama link even mentions the DNC specifically moving in to deal with the situation. Once again, do you think one person speaking out of turn is going to destroy an entire party? Do you really think we are republicans?



This isn't the RNC. We don't keep underage sex traffickers around like Matt Gaetz and empower them to backstab us. One person being a fuck up is not going to destroy the democratic party. One person is not going to be able to pull a Trump and make us hate each other. Mr Squished and I can scream at each other all we want, but at no point are we ever going to consider violence. We are never going to go RINO hunting, or vice versa.

 

[brycejones]

They aren't going to show it publicly, but there are rifts between groups. Blacks and Latinos have rifts, have you forgotten former Los Angeles Democratic City Council President Nury Martinez's remarks about Black people?
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Opinion | What Los Angeles needs more than resignations after leaked racist audio

To truly tackle anti-Blackness, our leaders must address how the city's system allows for the overrepresentation of Black people in places like our jails and child welfare system.

www.nbcnews.com

If you think Dem party minorities don't have rifts, you need to read up.

'You be quiet, girl:' Alabama Democrats' board meeting made private after members protest | Alabama Reflector

The Alabama Democratic Party Saturday faced protests as the DNC investigates complaints over recent bylaw changes and the elimination of diversity caucuses.

alabamareflector.com

It's almost like you've just discovered the Democrats

 

[K1052]

Republicans forever confused that disagreements in the Dem coalition do not automatically result in more support for Republicans.

 

[brycejones]

Republicans forever confused that disagreements in the Dem coalition do not automatically result in more support for Republicans.

Being able to disagree yet still have the same general goals is something the current GOP is very confused by. GettyRoad certainly is stumped by it.

 

[GettyRoad]

Black Americans don't like Latinos, Latinos are a threat to their political and economic power, in terms of immigration, taking their jobs, etc.

The Dems are a coalition party against white males, while the GOP should be more diverse.....

Backlash to migrants surges in Chicago's predominantly Black areas

Residents say they feel that the city is prioritizing asylum seekers over their underserved communities.

scrippsnews.com

Chicago’s progressive coalition is struggling with migration

Should Democrats worry about black voters’ attitudes to newcomers?

www.economist.com

 

[GettyRoad]

Being able to disagree yet still have the same general goals is something the current GOP is very confused by. GettyRoad certainly is stumped by it.

A 1% or 3% shift in the Black vote nationally could shift Georgia or Michigan to the Republicans, giving them the White House

So Dems better focus on Black males in Atlanta and Detroit suburbs, a lot of them do not like Latino immigration, it's diluting Black power

 

[brycejones]

Black Americans don't like Latinos, Latinos are a threat to their political and economic power, in terms of immigration, taking their jobs, etc.

The Dems are a coalition party against white males, while the GOP should be more diverse.....

Backlash to migrants surges in Chicago's predominantly Black areas

Residents say they feel that the city is prioritizing asylum seekers over their underserved communities.

scrippsnews.com

Chicago’s progressive coalition is struggling with migration

Should Democrats worry about black voters’ attitudes to newcomers?

www.economist.com

good lord

 

[Zor Prime]

A 1% or 3% shift in the Black vote nationally could shift Georgia or Michigan to the Republicans, giving them the White House

So Dems better focus on Black males in Atlanta and Detroit suburbs, a lot of them do not like Latino immigration, it's diluting Black power

Straight Outta Georgia:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1694800738579534044

 

[MrSquished]

The sad thing is over all the Biden candidacy is a very serious and needed discussion. And this guy keeps spouting his nonsense making it impossible to have.

 

[Jaskalas]

Inflation is under control.

Strictly speaking, those words are true. They are also irrelevant.
Inflation is a "damage already done" sort of thing. Prices have already risen. "Under control" means we will stop incurring further damage.
We will no longer see such a rapid rise in prices, but they are already far higher and they will stay that way. This is damage done.

The pandemic and post-pandemic recent years have brought Americans a lot of economic pain. Democrats who deny this is are in emotional denial just due to the President having a D after his name. Under Bush, or Trump, we'd all be screaming bloody murder together. You know it, I know it, we all know it.

 

[GettyRoad]

The sad thing is over all the Biden candidacy is a very serious and needed discussion. And this guy keeps spouting his nonsense making it impossible to have.

It's not nonsense, it is factual.

 

[GettyRoad]

If Biden wins a second term, he should explore reparations for Blacks.

 

[brycejones]

If Biden wins a second term, he should explore reparations for Blacks.

With the current GOP and the SCOTUS? lol

 

[GettyRoad]

With the current GOP and the SCOTUS? lol

It should have happened a long time ago, but Tariq Nasheed, etc. want it now, and that is costing Biden the black vote.

Black men want reparations and that could cost Biden in GA, NC

The Dems are too big of a tent, they need to promise all these coalition groups all these things

 

[brycejones]

It should have happened a long time ago, but Tariq Nasheed, etc. want it now, and that is costing Biden the black vote.

Your evidence for this? Please cite something like actual polling data from a reputable poll showing this.

 

[GettyRoad]

Your evidence for this? Please cite something like actual polling data from a reputable poll showing this.

Argument at California reparations hearing shows toll of talking about racism, members say

"You don’t go there mad," said one attendee, "but I’m not surprised when you get mad because you’re talking all day about the bad stuff that happened to your people.”

www.nbcnews.com

 

[brycejones]

Argument at California reparations hearing shows toll of talking about racism, members say

"You don’t go there mad," said one attendee, "but I’m not surprised when you get mad because you’re talking all day about the bad stuff that happened to your people.”

www.nbcnews.com

Still waiting for you to cite actual data to support your asserition. Posting more content repeating the same person expressing the same opinion in different forums isn't data.

Quick reminder of what would constitute actual data:

Your evidence for this? Please cite something like actual polling data from a reputable poll showing this.

I have faith in you. Don't let me down!

PS I guess I could also accept Tom Selleck or Mark Wahlberg calling for reparations or they won't vote for democrats since you're already established how influential those two people are with all generations.

 

[GettyRoad]

Your evidence for this? Please cite something like actual polling data from a reputable poll showing this.

Black and White Americans are far apart in their views of reparations for slavery

Overall, 30% of U.S. adults say descendants of people enslaved in the U.S. should be repaid in some way. 68% say they should not be repaid.

www.pewresearch.org

https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/28/us/reparations-poll-trnd/index.html

 

[brycejones]

Black and White Americans are far apart in their views of reparations for slavery

Overall, 30% of U.S. adults say descendants of people enslaved in the U.S. should be repaid in some way. 68% say they should not be repaid.

www.pewresearch.org

https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/28/us/reparations-poll-trnd/index.html

Nothing in either of those links support your assertion:

It should have happened a long time ago, but Tariq Nasheed, etc. want it now, and that is costing Biden the black vote.

There is no data in either of those links stating that people are walking away from Biden over reparations. In fact generally speaking the expectations of it happening appear to be very low which in a way indicates that other issues are going to be much more significant drivers of voting behavior than the issue of reparations. The info below comes from your pew research link.

 

[Leeea]

The Dems are a coalition party against white males, while the GOP should be more diverse.....

WTF?

I mean, WTF?!


Where did you get that impression?

Why do Dems hate white males? Seriously, what makes you think that?



Have you noticed who is president right now? And who was his primary challenger? (cough Sanders cough). Notice anything in common between the two?

Are you aware that white males are over represented in elected offices throughout the dem party? They only consist of 30% of the population, but take office at a higher rate. To put it bluntly, it costs a lot of money to run for office, and due to historical inequality, white males tend to have that money.



... and just where do you think all the money to fund the DNC is coming from?

 

[GettyRoad]

WTF?

I mean, WTF?!


Where did you get that impression?

Why do Dems hate white males? Seriously, what makes you think that?



Have you noticed who is president right now? And who was his primary challenger? (cough Sanders cough). Notice anything in common between the two?

Are you aware that white males are over represented in elected offices throughout the dem party? They only consist of 30% of the population, but take office at a higher rate. To put it bluntly, it costs a lot of money to run for office, and due to historical inequality, white males tend to have that money.



... and just where do you think all the money to fund the DNC is coming from?

Have you seen the rhetoric towards white males? And then you want to be surprised when a lot of them vote Republican, even the poorest ones>?

 

[brycejones]

Have you seen the rhetoric towards white males? And then you want to be surprised when a lot of them vote Republican, even the poorest ones>?

Interesting that you equate being opposed to GOP policies as attacking white males.

 

[ivwshane]

Interesting that you equate being opposed to GOP policies as attacking white males.

It’s not interesting at all, it’s expected. I’m sure we’ll be treated to the race realists rhetoric soon.

 

[fskimospy]

Have you seen the rhetoric towards white males? And then you want to be surprised when a lot of them vote Republican, even the poorest ones>?

By elected officials? No, I haven't seen the rhetoric towards white males. Is this one of those things where someone sees something on Twitter and decides it's emblematic of the party?

Now that Twitter is dying it seems like we are shifting to 'I saw something on TikTok', as shown by the recent Osama bin Laden thing, but it's the same stupid idea.