Discussion 2024 USA Election Thread: Biden and Dems might have problems in 2024 swing states - The Gaza Issue

[amenx]

And who killed kids at the rave? Me and ISIS according to you.

And who arrests people and then sentences them to lashings for sex? Me and ISIS according to you.

And who shaves off the heads of transgirls? Me and ISIS according to you.

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Your quote that I responded to...

"unless you're a perfect muslim, you're a kafir and you should be beheaded as an appeasement to Allah and to spread the greatness of his name!"

1- Before Hamas, in the 70s, there were no Islamist Pal groups. They were secular, Marxist and one even headed by a Christian (George Habash). Religion played no part in their actions and more than it did with the IRA and numerous other radical Euro groups in the 70s that engaged in terrorist actions.

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[Indus]

Your quote that I responded to...

"unless you're a perfect muslim, you're a kafir and you should be beheaded as an appeasement to Allah and to spread the greatness of his name!"

1- Before Hamas, in the 70s, there were no Islamist Pal groups. They were secular, Marxist and one even headed by a Christian (George Habash). Religion played no part in their actions and more than it did with the IRA and numerous other radical Euro groups in the 70s that engaged in terrorist actions.

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Oh so they weren't evil before the 1970's..

Umm here are some Muslims from the 1600's:





Other non muslim countries are full of rich history of the terrors inflicted by the so call religion of peace!

They are who they are and they have been that way since antiquity. They will not change. The only thing that's changed is the western world's naivety and wishful thinking that there can be a peace!

 

[Fenixgoon]

Oh so they weren't evil before the 1970's..

Umm here are some Muslims from the 1600's:

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Other non muslim countries are full of rich history of the terrors inflicted by the so call religion of peace!

They are who they are and they have been that way since antiquity. They will not change. The only thing that's changed is the western world's naivety and wishful thinking that there can be a peace!

No comments on the horrors Christianity has inflicted upon the world??

 

[amenx]

When you have to rely on drawings depicting barbaric behavior from the 1600s and implying that it was the sole preoccupation of one people, one race or one relgion to the exclusion of all others, you know you've gone off your rocker.

 

[Indus]

When you have to rely on drawings depicting barbaric behavior from the 1600s and implying that it was the sole preoccupation of one people, one race or one relgion to the exclusion of all others, you know you've gone off your rocker.

Funny how pictures is all that remains of people that lived through atrocities of Napoleon, yet no one questions if they were fact of fiction.

However say anything against the religion of peace and you automatically get a reaction like yours.

All you're demonstrating is your own bias!

 

[Indus]

No comments on the horrors Christianity has inflicted upon the world??

Ohhh they're not one bit innocent either but this thread isn't about them. Start one... I'll rail on them quite a bit!

 

[Fenixgoon]

nvm

 

[pmv]

Funny how pictures is all that remains of people that lived through atrocities of Napoleon, yet no one questions if they were fact of fiction.

However say anything against the religion of peace and you automatically get a reaction like yours.

All you're demonstrating is your own bias!

You do realise that _drawings_ are not evidence?

Though I've wavered back-and-forth over my life, I still tend to come back to the view that _all_ religions suck (was just thinking how our sociopath home Secretary nicely demonstrates that the idea of Buddhism being the 'nice' religion is seriously misguided - aside from her quasi-fascist attitudes, I've personally known quite a few extremely selfish Buddhists).

The only qualification I'd make is that religion is far from the only way people justify their worst traits by believing in things without evidence.

 

[eelw]

Comment from random voter. “I regret voting for Biden but I don’t regret for not voting for Trump”

Right with all these threats they may not vote for Biden, the lesser of two evils will ultimately be the deciding factor.

 

[Leeea]

Oh so they weren't evil before the 1970's..

Umm here are some Muslims from the 1600's:

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Other non muslim countries are full of rich history of the terrors inflicted by the so call religion of peace!

They are who they are and they have been that way since antiquity. They will not change. The only thing that's changed is the western world's naivety and wishful thinking that there can be a peace!

thats it?

they have nothing on us!

Have you ever heard the term Inquisition? Established in 1478 in Spain, expanded to the rest of the world in 1542.


oh, and here is the best part. It never ended! These days the official name is "Dicastery for the Doctrine of the Faith". We all like a good stretch!


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oh, I get it, that doesn't apply to new Christians who find their own truth in the bible.

Samuel 15 verse 2 and 3:

This is what the LORD Almighty says: `I will punish the Amalekites for what they did to Israel when they waylaid them as they came up from Egypt.3 Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy [1] everything that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.'"

Ouch.


oh, oh, but new testament, rewrote all that ugly old stuff:
Revelation 6:4

And there went out another horse that was red: and power was given to him that sat thereon to take peace from the earth, and that they should kill one another: and there was given unto him a great sword.

nope, back to mass murder we go. this time on a planetary scale.



Islam is looking pretty peaceful to me in comparison.


lets not forget the orthodox* vs catholic vs the protestant wars, the troubles, etc
*yea, right after the empire split in 286 Roman Christians were murdering Constantinople Christians. That tradition would continue right to the Crimean war in 1856 where protestant Christians would murder orthodox Christians in mass! Of course we cannot ignore the troubles in Ireland, not settled until 1998, and still a flashpoint to this day.

Do you know what really makes Christianity better then those other filthy religions? We are the best mass murderers around!

 

[K1052]

Major religions assigning blame for religious violence:

 

[Bitek]

The only way Trump is not the GOP nominee is if he's dead.

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We'll see once voting starts. Only question is how fast these trials move and letting Trump be back on the public microphone to remind everyone he's again he's a deranged, dotoring idiot.

As I said in the first R debate thread, if GOP nominates Haley, they win. Trump is popular but a loser, and everyone else sucks.

 

[Bitek]

The far left woke crowd simping for the terrorist organization / Iranian proxy that killed and kidnapped a bunch of Americans won't play well outside of the big blue cities. Christians will always back up Israel as well.

Then again, the RWNJs are still cucking for Putin, so maybe they even out.

 

[brycejones]

Major religions assigning blame for religious violence:

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All of this

 

[MrSquished]

David axelrod who was a phenomenal Democratic campaign strategist for Obama, let it slip that biden should step down and let someone else take the torch basically.

Of course there was a lot of pushback and of course people were like well David agrees and likes most of what Biden accomplished.

I mean yeah so do I. Considering the odds he faced I think he did pretty well. I do think there are issues especially not knowing how to push back against the Republican messaging. And that's a big big fuck up.

But axelrod, a campaign genius, He's not saying that he doesn't like what Biden accomplished, He's just smart enough to realize the guy has so much fucking baggage and perception issues at this point, and that is such a huge part of winning an election. This is not about being the logical intellectual choice in what's often an emotional process. This is not about being a political junkie and realizing Biden has done fairly well considering. As a strategist he would know quite well what it takes to win an election vs your actual record, and where these things can differ.

I'm sure he'll take it all back or whatever but he did say the quiet part out loud. I mean according to many people here he is now a sort of loon.

 

[ivwshane]

lol baggage? Biden has no baggage. The closest thing he had was his support for the super predator law but that’s come and gone. Everything else is just gop bs talking points that only other idiot republicans and righties believe.

 

[MrSquished]

lol baggage? Biden has no baggage. The closest thing he had was his support for the super predator law but that’s come and gone. Everything else is just gop bs talking points that only other idiot republicans and righties believe.

Baggage can just be negative perceptions and negative popularity. You know the things that might weigh you down to win an election, baggage.

David axelrod was the chief strategist for Obama for both campaigns and a senior presidential advisor for him as well.

I guess he's just my kind of crazy.

 

[Indus]

You do realise that _drawings_ are not evidence?

Though I've wavered back-and-forth over my life, I still tend to come back to the view that _all_ religions suck (was just thinking how our sociopath home Secretary nicely demonstrates that the idea of Buddhism being the 'nice' religion is seriously misguided - aside from her quasi-fascist attitudes, I've personally known quite a few extremely selfish Buddhists).

The only qualification I'd make is that religion is far from the only way people justify their worst traits by believing in things without evidence.

Your home secretary might say she's buddhist but she's not.

Buddhism's #1 teaching is giving up desires. She desires a heck of a lot of shit to be buddhist!

She's as much of a buddhist as you are a T-rex!

 

[amenx]

thats it?

they have nothing on us!

Have you ever heard the term Inquisition? Established in 1478 in Spain, expanded to the rest of the world in 1542.

The Irony is that the Jews who were persecuted in Europe and the Spanish Inquisition sought refugee in Islamic territories (Ottoman Empire) where they prospered and did well.

History of the Jews in the Ottoman Empire - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[HomerJS]

When you have to rely on drawings depicting barbaric behavior from the 1600s and implying that it was the sole preoccupation of one people, one race or one relgion to the exclusion of all others, you know you've gone off your rocker.

I'm amazed at the calm expression on the face of someone being boiled alive.

 

[fskimospy]

lol baggage? Biden has no baggage. The closest thing he had was his support for the super predator law but that’s come and gone. Everything else is just gop bs talking points that only other idiot republicans and righties believe.

This is all still a deeply stupid conversation. If someone wants to say that Biden should withdraw that's fine, but that's a decision only Biden can make.

Any idea of a primary challenge against Biden is dumb because the challenger will lose and the only outcome from that is to damage Biden, essentially saying 'I'm afraid Biden is going to lose, therefore we should do something that makes him more likely to lose.'

 

[Pens1566]

This is all still a deeply stupid conversation. If someone wants to say that Biden should withdraw that's fine, but that's a decision only Biden can make.

Any idea of a primary challenge against Biden is dumb because the challenger will lose and the only outcome from that is to damage Biden, essentially saying 'I'm afraid Biden is going to lose, therefore we should do something that makes him more likely to lose.'

It really is. Biden has an amazing record to run on from the accomplishments of his first term. Between that actual on the job performance, and the fact that his one perceived shortcoming (age/health) is also present to an even greater degree in his main challenger, make this all a pointless conversation.

 

[nakedfrog]

Your home secretary might say she's buddhist but she's not.

Buddhism's #1 teaching is giving up desires. She desires a heck of a lot of shit to be buddhist!

She's as much of a buddhist as you are a T-rex!

No true Scotsman...

 

[pmv]

I'm amazed at the calm expression on the face of someone being boiled alive.

Are we sure it's not an early effort at a backyard hot-tub?

 

[MrSquished]

This is all still a deeply stupid conversation. If someone wants to say that Biden should withdraw that's fine, but that's a decision only Biden can make.

Any idea of a primary challenge against Biden is dumb because the challenger will lose and the only outcome from that is to damage Biden, essentially saying 'I'm afraid Biden is going to lose, therefore we should do something that makes him more likely to lose.'

I'd love to see where this call for someone to contest Biden's nomination with a rogue primary campaign is. In fact it's been argued against by those who have the fortitude to question Biden at all. Any quotes?