2020 census to include citizenship question

[zerocool84]

How many times have I caught you in this lie?

Yes they do, here's proof beyond any doubt........ a conviction. They find vote fraud every time they look for it.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...viction-rosa-maria-ortega-20170211-story.html

Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't there a commission to find wide spread voter fraud? What happened to it? Where did it go?

Oh right it went no where and was shut down. You definitely made your case solid.

 

[zerocool84]

Not really. Most illegals now live & work in metro areas which are unsurprisingly blue, even in Texas.

Umm who do you think works the fields for all of our farming? Vegetables, fruits, nuts, grapes for wine? Farm fields are not in metro areas. We farm an insane amount in this country and it sure as hell is not legal citizens doing it.

 

[rise]

Umm who do you think works the fields for all of our farming? Vegetables, fruits, nuts, grapes for wine? Farm fields are not in metro areas. We farm an insane amount in this country and it sure as hell is not legal citizens doing it.

True and I don't know the breakdown between rural and urban areas but Boston area has plenty of illegals that work through temps filling all kinds of manufacturing, construction etc.When I was in the printing industry there were tons of illegals stuffing boxes, running presses. Some envelope plants, the ones who churn out those utility bills and other "long run" jobs, saw their margins slashed to the point where their only profit was the recycles they could sell so any cost cutting whatever, blind eyes turned and all, was sadly embraced.

 

[HomerJS]

How many times have I caught you in this lie?

Yes they do, here's proof beyond any doubt........ a conviction. They find vote fraud every time they look for it.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...viction-rosa-maria-ortega-20170211-story.html

Widespread voter fraud doesn't exist. Whenever you put these voter fraud proponents under oath they have to admit their position is bullshit ala Pennsylvania.

 

[fskimospy]

I didn't see where they were not going to count people that marked the census as a non citizen or where they didn't answer the question at all. I'm pretty sure they are still counted.

Do you think that question will lead to greater or fewer of those people being counted? This isn’t exactly brain surgery.

 

[HomerJS]

Where does it say that immigrants, especially illegal ones, can't be counted?

Changing laws knowing it will depress the numbers of the groups they are against. Its like the new voter ID laws and the way they gerrymander the districts.

Courts will strike down this bullshit too.

 

[Zaap]

I didn't see where they were not going to count people that marked the census as a non citizen or where they didn't answer the question at all. I'm pretty sure they are still counted.

Shhh! There's fear-mongering to be done! The last thing you want to do is bring common sense into anything.

 

[fskimospy]

Shhh! There's fear-mongering to be done! The last thing you want to do is bring common sense into anything.

If you use common sense you will see that this is a deliberate attempt to reduce response rates from undocumented immigrants.

It’s so weird when you guys play dumb like this.

 

[pcgeek11]

They won't be counted if they are hiding from the census takers. They might be hiding because they wouldn't trust the Dept. of Commerce not to share personal information of non-citizens (including last known address) with ICE.

OK. That would be on them as they are the ones breaking the law...

 

[pcgeek11]

If you use common sense you will see that this is a deliberate attempt to reduce response rates from undocumented immigrants.

It’s so weird when you guys play dumb like this.

Well IF I were an illegal alien I wouldn't respond to the census in any way, regardless of a citizen question or not.

There is nothing wrong with asking the question on a census. Of course the liberals see the boogey man in every corner and closet...

 

[Zaap]

If you use common sense you will see that this is a deliberate attempt to reduce response rates from undocumented immigrants.

It’s so weird when you guys play dumb like this.

It's telling how you (and most patronizing dipshit leftists) always cast illegal immigrants as the most cowardly, scared bunch of ninnies on the planet.

Asking a QUESTION on a census form will just cause soooo much emotional distress in these poor poor pitiful, fragile (and increasingly every day SAINTED) people!

There's just no difference at all in a legal and illegal citizen and how dare anyone not always promote the pretense otherwise.

 

[pcgeek11]

Do you think that question will lead to greater or fewer of those people being counted? This isn’t exactly brain surgery.

It is a valid question for a census. It may lead to more illegals not participating in the census out of fear. Even though census data is held in confidence by law and is not shared with law enforcement.

https://www.census.gov/content/dam/...a Acquisitions Frequently Asked Questions.pdf

All data collected by Census is confidential under 13 U.S.C. §9. The statute only allows the Census Bureau to use the data for statistical purposes and prohibits the disclosure or publication of data that personally identifies an individual or business. The Privacy Act of 1974 prohibits the disclosure of personal information maintained by an agency without the written consent of the individual.
In addition, our security measures ensure that only a restricted number of authorized people have access to confidential information. Access is granted to conduct our work and for no other purposes. Every person who works with confidential information collected by the Census Bureau is sworn for life to uphold the law. Violating 13 U.S.C. §9 is a federal crime with serious penalties, including a federal prison sentence of up to five years, a fine of up to $250,000, or both.

 

[Zaap]

It is a valid question for a census. It may lead to more illegals not participating in the census out of fear. Even though census data is held in confidence by law and is not shared with law enforcement.

https://www.census.gov/content/dam/Census/about/about-the-bureau/adrm/data-linkage/Data Acquisitions Frequently Asked Questions.pdf

All data collected by Census is confidential under 13 U.S.C. §9. The statute only allows the Census Bureau to use the data for statistical purposes and prohibits the disclosure or publication of data that personally identifies an individual or business. The Privacy Act of 1974 prohibits the disclosure of personal information maintained by an agency without the written consent of the individual.
In addition, our security measures ensure that only a restricted number of authorized people have access to confidential information. Access is granted to conduct our work and for no other purposes. Every person who works with confidential information collected by the Census Bureau is sworn for life to uphold the law. Violating 13 U.S.C. §9 is a federal crime with serious penalties, including a federal prison sentence of up to five years, a fine of up to $250,000, or both.

Once again, don't bring up common sense. That will offend someone, and we can't have that.

There is a certainly irony though, in bringing up the law on this matter. Laws, are more and more something to be ignored if there's the slightest chance they may hurt someone's fragile feelings. And for saints? Pffffft. WHAT laws?

 

[sandorski]

It is a valid question for a census. It may lead to more illegals not participating in the census out of fear. Even though census data is held in confidence by law and is not shared with law enforcement.

https://www.census.gov/content/dam/Census/about/about-the-bureau/adrm/data-linkage/Data Acquisitions Frequently Asked Questions.pdf

All data collected by Census is confidential under 13 U.S.C. §9. The statute only allows the Census Bureau to use the data for statistical purposes and prohibits the disclosure or publication of data that personally identifies an individual or business. The Privacy Act of 1974 prohibits the disclosure of personal information maintained by an agency without the written consent of the individual.
In addition, our security measures ensure that only a restricted number of authorized people have access to confidential information. Access is granted to conduct our work and for no other purposes. Every person who works with confidential information collected by the Census Bureau is sworn for life to uphold the law. Violating 13 U.S.C. §9 is a federal crime with serious penalties, including a federal prison sentence of up to five years, a fine of up to $250,000, or both.

That's the problem. If you don't accurately know how many people live in an area, it is difficult to address the structural/infrastructure needs of an area. Essentially the Census becomes a waste of time and money.

 

[pcgeek11]

That's the problem. If you don't accurately know how many people live in an area, it is difficult to address the structural/infrastructure needs of an area. Essentially the Census becomes a waste of time and money.

In that case blame the people that are not participating in the census. It isn't the census' fault that they refuse to participate. They could participate and just leave that "evil citizen" question blank. Or they could just lie about it, I'm sure they have probably lied before to hide their illegal status.

 

[pcgeek11]

Changing laws knowing it will depress the numbers of the groups they are against. Its like the new voter ID laws and the way they gerrymander the districts.

Courts will strike down this bullshit too.

Because it is illegal to ask the citizenship status on a census? I don't think it is. It has been asked before.

 

[ivwshane]

Well IF I were an illegal alien I wouldn't respond to the census in any way, regardless of a citizen question or not.

There is nothing wrong with asking the question on a census. Of course the liberals see the boogey man in every corner and closet...

Look at all these liberals scared of a boogeyman:

Five former directors of the Census Bureau, who served under presidents of both parties, told me they opposed the citizenship question and wrote a letter to Ross expressing their opposition, saying it would lead to an unfair and inaccurate total count. “It would be a horrendous problem for the Census Bureau and create all kind of controversies,” said Steve Murdock, who ran the census under George W. Bush. Ken Prewitt, who ran the census under Bill Clinton, said, “It is simply inconceivable to me there would not be a very high level of anxiety around that question.” Vincent Barabba, who ran the census under Richard Nixon, Gerald Ford, and Jimmy Carter, called the addition of the question “beyond comprehension at this point. It would be really bad.”

https://www.motherjones.com/politic...is-with-move-to-suppress-immigrant-responses/


The point of the census, which you idiot partisan hacks don't get, is to get an accurate count of ALL people. PERIOD. Its an unnecessary question that would lead to an inaccurate count, PERIOD.

Your stupidity continues to amaze me. Keep carrying that water, boy.

 

[fskimospy]

Once again, don't bring up common sense. That will offend someone, and we can't have that.

There is a certainly irony though, in bringing up the law on this matter. Laws, are more and more something to be ignored if there's the slightest chance they may hurt someone's fragile feelings. And for saints? Pffffft. WHAT laws?

This is not about your rage and feelings, this is about what gets us the most accurate census data. Do you think having government officials asking people if they are citizens or not will lead to greater or lesser participation in the census?

Again, this is common sense. I’m sorry if reality hurts your feelings but that’s your problem.

 

[fskimospy]

Because it is illegal to ask the citizenship status on a census? I don't think it is. It has been asked before.

Moving the goal posts.

Do you think asking this question will lead to a more accurate count of who lives in the US or a less accurate count? As the purpose of the census is to get as accurate a count as possible if the answer is ‘less’ then it should not be included. Period.

 

[boomerang]

If illegals don't want to participate in the census, just from living here they should be fully aware they are subjecting themselves to punishment for doing so. They have the exact same reasons to participate that legal citizens do. Illegal's march in the streets, hold rally's, appear on television, are even appointed to government positions. The notion that they are hiding is ridiculous. We hear constantly that they are working hard and paying taxes. We hear that they are not a burden on society, that they are a benefit. Participating in the census is in their best interest.

They have no reason not to participate in the census and they have no need to not be truthful and check that box if they are not citizens. The goal of Democrats is to make them citizens with the full rights that go along with it, especially voting. How will we know how many of them there truly are and where they reside when Democrats once again control the government?

The census is only taken every ten years. Democrats are confident of taking back the House at the very least and removing Trump from the presidency. It would certainly be very handy to be able to quickly get all illegals within our borders sworn in as citizens and voting when they take control of the government again. Their are rights to be granted, rights to be taken away and the fundamental transformation needs to be resuscitated. A huge increase in supporters will make those tasks far easier. The census data will be invaluable and the timing of the availability of the data will be close to optimal.

If Democrats were smart, they'd be grateful for this question. They should be thinking of how best to educate the illegal community that participating and answering the question truthfully is absolutely in their best interests.

 

[HomerJS]

Because it is illegal to ask the citizenship status on a census? I don't think it is. It has been asked before.

Its not legal to enact policies for the purposes of disenfranchising people. The constitution mandates everyone be counted.

Then again like most Republican policies going back to the 50s seems in their wheelhouse.

 

[SteveGrabowski]

It's funny how slaves could be counted for the census but now illegals can't.

 

[96Firebird]

I'm a little confused... Are illegals the only non-citizens filling out a census? What about green card holders, H1B, etc...?

 

[K1052]

I'm a little confused... Are illegals the only non-citizens filling out a census? What about green card holders, H1B, etc...?

If you're within the borders of the US and are breathing you're supposed to get counted in the decennial census.

 

[ivwshane]

If illegals don't want to participate in the census, just from living here they should be fully aware they are subjecting themselves to punishment for doing so. They have the exact same reasons to participate that legal citizens do. Illegal's march in the streets, hold rally's, appear on television, are even appointed to government positions. The notion that they are hiding is ridiculous. We hear constantly that they are working hard and paying taxes. We hear that they are not a burden on society, that they are a benefit. Participating in the census is in their best interest.

They have no reason not to participate in the census and they have no need to not be truthful and check that box if they are not citizens. The goal of Democrats is to make them citizens with the full rights that go along with it, especially voting. How will we know how many of them there truly are and where they reside when Democrats once again control the government?

The census is only taken every ten years. Democrats are confident of taking back the House at the very least and removing Trump from the presidency. It would certainly be very handy to be able to quickly get all illegals within our borders sworn in as citizens and voting when they take control of the government again. Their are rights to be granted, rights to be taken away and the fundamental transformation needs to be resuscitated. A huge increase in supporters will make those tasks far easier. The census data will be invaluable and the timing of the availability of the data will be close to optimal.

If Democrats were smart, they'd be grateful for this question. They should be thinking of how best to educate the illegal community that participating and answering the question truthfully is absolutely in their best interests.

Using your retarded logic, if Republicans were smart they would insist on leaving out that question for exactly the reasons you stated.