2018 Midterm Election Results

[spacejamz]

The disparities in State populations weren't nearly as enormous as today-

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1790_United_States_Census

It's not like they could have predicted this, particularly not the utter disrespect of small state GOP politicians for the rest of America. They'll break the system to serve the purposes of avarice & greed. They already have in certain respects.

What disrespectful things are they doing again? I guess missed that...

 

[ivwshane]

250 years ago the Founders probably didn't have any idea that we'd be a country of 330 million people, as politically diverse as we are and as big and spread out as we are. There's not much that can be done right now. There's a slow bleed of California residents to states like Arizona, NV and Texas seeking out cheaper housing. Those population shifts have a slow swing in state voting record.

But it's not like a place like Wyoming or North Dakota or West Virginia offer a ton in the way of liberal minded draws. Tech, education, metropolitan areas...nope. Nothing really to draw different minded citizens to those places. So you just end up stacking and stacking geographically small areas with a ton of voters to no additional effect outside of *REALLY* locking in one massive electoral college vote.

I think the founding fathers were well aware of the issue of smaller states vs larger more populous states. It is the base reasoning behind having a senate where each state has an equal amount of power and where legislation happens more slowly, more deliberately. It was designed to require compromise to get things done.

What the founding fathers most likely didn't count on were political parties putting their party before the country.

 

[ivwshane]

What disrespectful things are they doing again? I guess missed that...

Refusing to compromise would be the biggest issue, followed by obstruction of the nomination process and outright refusing to do their duty and give their advise and consent to presidential nominations.

Putting party before their country is pretty disrespectful in my book.

 

[Jhhnn]

What disrespectful things are they doing again? I guess missed that...

Get real. The majority of Americans obviously do not support tax cuts for the Rich, for starters. Changing the rules for SCOTUS confirmation to a simple majority vote is also disrespectful of the majority of the electorate. There's more, of course.

You know this stuff. Don't pretend.

 

[vi edit]

And unfortunately your Guns and Babies Conservative vote also comes with the Corporations are more important than People fine print.

 

[Jhhnn]

yeah...change the constitution when it doesn't favor my party...

When it doesn't serve the Will of the People.

 

[thilanliyan]

yeah...change the constitution when it doesn't favor my party...

Nothing to do with party. Democracy is supposed to be representative of the populace. How is it possible that 40 mil people from one state have the same representation/sway as 700k people from another? Makes no sense to me.

 

[vi edit]

Nothing to do with party. Democracy is supposed to be representative of the populace. How is it possible that 40 mil people from one state have the same representation/sway as 700k people from another? Makes no sense to me.

Well we do have the unironically named "Representatives" that are somewhat based upon population. Single issue voting and voting out of fear rather than informed decision has really fucked things up for us.

 

[Blackjack200]

Nothing to do with party. Democracy is supposed to be representative of the populace. How is it possible that 40 mil people from one state have the same representation/sway as 700k people from another? Makes no sense to me.

It should surprise no one that a constitution designed to protect the institution of slavery is not written with fairness or equality in mind. The US Constitution is abysmal, one of the worst national governing documents I'm aware of. That these Republican reptiles walk around with a miniature version in their breast pockets tells you all you need to know.

 

[ivwshane]

Nothing to do with party. Democracy is supposed to be representative of the populace. How is it possible that 40 mil people from one state have the same representation/sway as 700k people from another? Makes no sense to me.

That's because you are leaving out the other half of the legislative branch.

The senate, with its two senators from each state, was meant to give small states a say in legislation so that issues that are important and vital to their states aren't simply ignored.

However the key piece you are missing is the house of representatives, which has members apportioned based on population. In the house smaller states have a lot less say. The problem facing the house is that you have 700k+ people being represented by one person, that's hardly a representative democracy.

 

[Jaskalas]

Refusing to compromise would be the biggest issue, followed by obstruction of the nomination process and outright refusing to do their duty and give their advise and consent to presidential nominations.

Putting party before their country is pretty disrespectful in my book.

It sounds like, in your examples, you feel it is the duty of the minority to compromise in favor of passing the will of the majority.

2017:

• Democrats at the WaPo think it is their duty to obstruct.
• Progressives are Demanding Obstruction and Senators are Listening

 

[zinfamous]

Nothing to do with party. Democracy is supposed to be representative of the populace. How is it possible that 40 mil people from one state have the same representation/sway as 700k people from another? Makes no sense to me.

It's just the wrong people.

 

[K1052]

The big issue is the US House. Love it or hate it the Senate is working pretty much as intended, an antimajorian body.

The current house apportionment formula and cap on seats is an abomination. I'd say the same for the EC since the idea that one party could consistently lose the popular vote but gain the presidency was totally not the intent.

 

[ivwshane]

It sounds like, in your examples, you feel it is the duty of the minority to compromise in favor of passing the will of the majority.

The senate, in general, should be compromising so that issues from any state can be addressed. Sometime that means the will of the majority get addressed and other times it means the will of minority get addressed. The overall arching theme should be ensuring the general welfare of the people.

Nice spin though.

 

[Blackjack200]

That's because you are leaving out the other half of the legislative branch.

The senate, with its two senators from each state, was meant to give small states a say in legislation so that issues that are important and vital to their states aren't simply ignored.

However the key piece you are missing is the house of representatives, which has members apportioned based on population. In the house smaller states have a lot less say. The problem facing the house is that you have 700k+ people being represented by one person, that's hardly a representative democracy.

Mostly the same voters that are underrepresented due to living in large states are also underrepresented due to gerrymandering. Are you not aware of this?

 

[K1052]

*facepalm* Florida

Scott-Nelson gap down to 17K. Machine recount time.

 

[Blackjack200]

The big issue is the US House. Love it or hate it the Senate is working pretty much as intended, an antimajorian body.

Antimajorian is not a word, but antidemocratic is, and IMO is the correct term here.

 

[ivwshane]

The big issue is the US House. Love it or hate it the Senate is working pretty much as intended, an antimajorian body.

The current house apportionment formula and cap on seats is an abomination. I'd say the same for the EC since the idea that one party could consistently lose the popular vote but gain the presidency was totally not the intent.

I agree and I'll add that I think the EC has outlived its usefulness and has been a total failure. The EC shouldn't have been a rubber stamp for the popular vote nor should it have let people like trump be elected. It should have also consisted of smart deliberative people who put country before party. Its failed in every way.

 

[K1052]

Antimajorian is not a word, but antidemocratic is, and IMO is the correct term here.

If the president can make up countries I can make up words.

/colbert

 

[ivwshane]

Antimajorian is not a word, but antidemocratic is, and IMO is the correct term here.

You've lost all rationality and are bordering on bshole level crazy.

 

[K1052]

Something weird is going on in FL. Both big statewide races are going to recounts

There is some huge unexplained difference in votes cast for governor vs votes cast for senate (over 25K votes) in Broward county.

 

[hal2kilo]

*facepalm* Florida

Scott-Nelson gap down to 17K. Machine recount time.

Oh great. Hope they got rid of all the punch type voting machines. I don't want to hear about dangling chads for the next week. Of course, it will get down to "that box wasn't completely filled, well if it 50% filled will we call it a vote", they didn't use black ink yada, yada, yada. Something about Florida elections, sometimes nothing changes.

 

[K1052]

Oh great. Hope they got rid of all the punch type voting machines. I don't want to hear about dangling chads for the next week. Of course, it will get down to "that box wasn't completely filled, well if it 50% filled will we call it a vote", they didn't use black ink yada, yada, yada. Something about Florida elections, sometimes nothing changes.

I think we can pretty much bank on lawsuits again.

 

[zinfamous]

Something weird is going on in FL. Both big statewide races are going to recounts

There is some huge unexplained difference in votes cast for governor vs votes cast for senate (over 25K votes) in Broward county.

Broward County? really? Isn't that the same fucked-up county where some 80% of retired Jewish people managed to vote for that raging anti-semite, Pat Buchanan in 2000? (who, to his credit, even admitted that there was clearly something wrong with that, lol)

 

[ivwshane]

It sounds like, in your examples, you feel it is the duty of the minority to compromise in favor of passing the will of the majority.

2017:

• Democrats at the WaPo think it is their duty to obstruct.
• Progressives are Demanding Obstruction and Senators are Listening

Its like you don't even bother reading your own links. Way to attribute opinions of inconsequential people to that of Democrats actually elected to office. Your linking to a post about gorsuch, a nomination that was stolen, was especially ironic as I highly doubt you were up in arms about Republicans not even giving a hearing to garland. I'm sure you realize how stupid your post is but seeing that you are a deplorable you won't admit it.

Go fuck yourself with your false equivalencies.