2018 Midterm Election Results

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realibrad

Lifer
Oct 18, 2013
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Joe Biden supported the Iraq War and that is immediately disqualifying to any "leftist" if the term is going to have any meaning at all.

I refuse to vote for him, I don't care if he's running against Trump. It's morally bankrupt for the party to keep running these Iraq war monsters.

Why would Hillary's yes vote be worse than Biden's yes vote?
 

K1052

Elite Member
Aug 21, 2003
52,584
46,221
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Trump is totally projecting the calm resplendence of a winner re: the midterms.

If "calm resplendence" is a burning oil freight train derailing into an orphanage.
 

Blackjack200

Lifer
May 28, 2007
15,995
1,688
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Why would Hillary's yes vote be worse than Biden's yes vote?

It's not. I've changed since 2016. I put Biden and HRC in the same camp as far as the Iraq war is concerned. They both voted for it, they both apologized for it. Both of their apologies are welcome, but not enough to rehabilitate them to the point that I would vote for them.
 
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realibrad

Lifer
Oct 18, 2013
12,337
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It's not. I've changed since 2016. I put Biden and HRC in the same camp as far as the Iraq war is concerned. They both voted for it, they both apologized for it. Both of their apologies are welcome, but not enough to rehabilitate them to the point that I would vote for them.

Could it not be that they bought the lie, and only later realized they were lied to? Or do you think they would have voted yes regardless?
 

Jhhnn

IN MEMORIAM
Nov 11, 1999
62,365
14,685
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Joe Biden supported the Iraq War and that is immediately disqualifying to any "leftist" if the term is going to have any meaning at all.

I refuse to vote for him, I don't care if he's running against Trump. It's morally bankrupt for the party to keep running these Iraq war monsters.

Please. You make the perfect the enemy of the good & the past the enemy of the future. Save your wrath for the people who won't admit that the Iraq war was a huge mistake.

In case you hadn't noticed, any Dem is better than any Repub. If we can't stand together against the Party of greed & avarice they'll overwhelm us.
 

Blackjack200

Lifer
May 28, 2007
15,995
1,688
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Could it not be that they bought the lie, and only later realized they were lied to? Or do you think they would have voted yes regardless?

It's possible I suppose, but I don't think it really matters. You're either a credulous imbecile for believing the case the administration made, or you knew it was bullshit and went along anyway. Either way you're unfit for any public office, let alone president.
 

Blackjack200

Lifer
May 28, 2007
15,995
1,688
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Please. You make the perfect the enemy of the good & the past the enemy of the future. Save your wrath for the people who won't admit that the Iraq war was a huge mistake.

In case you hadn't noticed, any Dem is better than any Repub. If we can't stand together against the Party of greed & avarice they'll overwhelm us.

I think you and me have very different ideas about what is good.
 

Jhhnn

IN MEMORIAM
Nov 11, 1999
62,365
14,685
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I think you and me have very different ideas about what is good.

I think the sentiments you express are a part of the reason Trump is President. If you can't recognize that the GOP is a truly malevolent threat to the interests of the common man you're blinded by self righteousness.
 
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SlowSpyder

Lifer
Jan 12, 2005
17,305
1,002
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I have given you a concrete example of the seditious act Trump contemplates, the usurpation of the judicial branches and taking over the Constitution.

BTW, Trump is being eaten alive and deservedly so.


You think Trump discussing using an EO is "taking over the constitution"? Yikes.

What?! The press is whining about Trump? You don't say!
 

Blackjack200

Lifer
May 28, 2007
15,995
1,688
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I think the sentiments you express are a part of the reason Trump is President.

I agree, the inability of the Democratic Party to make a clean break from the violent statists of the early 2000s played a role in the rise of Trump.

If you can't recognize that the GOP is a truly malevolent threat to the interests of the common man you're blinded by self righteousness.

I recognize and agree on the GOP.
 
Jan 25, 2011
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You think Trump discussing using an EO is "taking over the constitution"? Yikes.

What?! The press is whining about Trump? You don't say!
What do you call trying to undo an Amendment of the Constitution by executive order? The legislative process?
 

Hayabusa Rider

Admin Emeritus & Elite Member
Jan 26, 2000
50,879
4,268
126
You think Trump discussing using an EO is "taking over the constitution"? Yikes.


You purposefully cut off what the intention of the EO is.

If Obama created an EO such that the Constitution says he can arrest and execute political opponents and that he can stay in power forever because that's how he interprets it.

I then reply "Obama using an EO to take over the Constitution"? Of course, you would make a statement as you have. Bull.
 

zinfamous

No Lifer
Jul 12, 2006
111,845
31,337
146
425 representatives + 100 senators + 50 governors. That is a lot of politicians.
You got politicians of all colors. Women and men. Hetero- and homosexuals now too.

Got a question for you guys:

Is there even one of those 575 politicians who is an atheist ?

Trump.
 

zinfamous

No Lifer
Jul 12, 2006
111,845
31,337
146
How could the Senate do anything to the House?

Trump has Lego castle sets in his bedroom with all the little Lego men. He calls one House and one Senate. At night, he likes to pit them against each other for territorial rights to the hamburger mine that he has also placed between them.

Trump actually thinks that his nighttime play sessions are how the world works.
 

Hayabusa Rider

Admin Emeritus & Elite Member
Jan 26, 2000
50,879
4,268
126
Trump has Lego castle sets in his bedroom with all the little Lego men. He calls one House and one Senate. At night, he likes to pit them against each other for territorial rights to the hamburger mine that he has also placed between them.

Trump actually thinks that his nighttime play sessions are how the world works.

This is how I interpret how his mind works.


 

Starbuck1975

Lifer
Jan 6, 2005
14,698
1,909
126
Interesting read on exit polls.

Some conclusions I wasn’t expecting and some I was.

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/11/trump-house-midterms-exit-poll-takeaways.html
Ten takeaways from exit polling: (article delves deeper into each item)

  1. President Trump cost Republicans the House
  2. Brett Kavanaugh hurt Republicans more than helped
  3. #Metoo didn’t help Dems much
  4. Gun Issue hurt Republicans
  5. Violence hurt Republicans but not much
  6. Russia Fizzled
  7. Voters don’t share Trumps hardline on immigration
  8. The problem for Dems on race is complacency not hate
  9. The economy cut both ways
  10. Republicans might be digging themselves an ideological hole.
NY Times has an interesting infographic that quantifies the blue wave:

“Over all, 2018’s shift to the left was smaller than the one in 2006, the last time the Democrats flipped the House. And it was half the size of the most recent Republican wave in 2010 when districts shifted more than 19 points to the right.”

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/11/07/us/politics/how-democrats-took-the-house.html
 

dainthomas

Lifer
Dec 7, 2004
14,928
3,905
136
NY Times has an interesting infographic that quantifies the blue wave:

“Over all, 2018’s shift to the left was smaller than the one in 2006, the last time the Democrats flipped the House. And it was half the size of the most recent Republican wave in 2010 when districts shifted more than 19 points to the right.”

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/11/07/us/politics/how-democrats-took-the-house.html

We're fighting against gerrymandering much more this year. Hopefully flipping the governorships and taking over more state houses will help in the redistricting in 2020. Particularly if we can build on it (which is likely with heavy Dem turnout to vote Dump out).