2018 Midterm Election Results

[sdifox]

It's good for real estate & financial instruments. It spends just as well out of the country as in it, as well.

so make it a financial transaction tax. anytime money changes hand it gets taxed.

 

[K1052]

AP called it, Rohrabacher defeated.

 

[esquared]

AP called it, Rohrabacher defeated.

“Putin’s favorite congressman.”
https://www.politico.com/story/2018...ohrabacher-in-southern-california-race-982946

Suck on that russkies.

 

[dawp]

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/scott-...r-a-recount-because-of-a-law-he-put-in-place/

HA HA

bit him in the ass

 

[K1052]

Sinema now up 1.5% over McSally in AZ. General consensus seem to be this is all but over.

 

[K1052]

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/scott-...r-a-recount-because-of-a-law-he-put-in-place/

HA HA

bit him in the ass

Seems like a fitting end.

 

[sdifox]

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/scott-...r-a-recount-because-of-a-law-he-put-in-place/

HA HA

bit him in the ass

Karma is a bitch

 

[Commodus]

As wonderfully ironic as it is for Walker to be shot down by his own law, I do hope the Democrats undo his law. It was explicitly created to entrench Republicans and is harmful to democracy as a whole.

 

[Maxima1]

As wonderfully ironic as it is for Walker to be shot down by his own law, I do hope the Democrats undo his law. It was explicitly created to entrench Republicans and is harmful to democracy as a whole.

I would guess recounts generally help Democrats. Isn't that what you're referring to?

I completely disagree with your feelings on this. Republicans don't listen to reason. If they want to play hardball. Democrats should not put redistricting commissions in blue states. Gerrymander the fuck out of them, so the Republicans beg for mercy. Once one party does it, it's necessary for the other to do it. This is how we got winner-take-all in elections. Once one state did it, it made no sense for others to not follow.

 

[Jhhnn]

so make it a financial transaction tax. anytime money changes hand it gets taxed.

That's not a consumption tax. It would be more like this, an interesting idea-

http://www.apttax.com/

 

[Commodus]

I would guess recounts generally help Democrats. Isn't that what you're referring to?

I completely disagree with your feelings on this. Republicans don't listen to reason. If they want to play hardball. Democrats should not put redistricting commissions in blue states. Gerrymander the fuck out of them, so the Republicans beg for mercy. Once one party does it, it's necessary for the other to do it. This is how we got winner-take-all in elections. Once one state did it, it made no sense for others to not follow.

I'm sorry, but if we're going to reestablish a respectful democracy, we need to avoid becoming the very thing we hate. Pull things too far your way and you either violate the principles of democracy yourself and risk an even greater retaliation if/when the other side takes power. You yourself noted that Republicans don't listen to reason -- we don't want to encourage them to do what they really want and impose permanent one-party rule.

Besides, you don't have to swing it that far to achieve the right aims. Republicans know that they generally lose outside of their hardcore base when there are fair elections. Hold firm on demanding neutral districting and Republicans will whine and moan, because they know that will mean they'll either have to drag their policies into the 21st century or accept that Democrats will lead the country to a better place.

 

[Maxima1]

I'm sorry, but if we're going to reestablish a respectful democracy, we need to avoid becoming the very thing we hate. Pull things too far your way and you either violate the principles of democracy yourself and risk an even greater retaliation if/when the other side takes power. You yourself noted that Republicans don't listen to reason -- we don't want to encourage them to do what they really want and impose permanent one-party rule.

Besides, you don't have to swing it that far to achieve the right aims. Republicans know that they generally lose outside of their hardcore base when there are fair elections. Hold firm on demanding neutral districting and Republicans will whine and moan, because they know that will mean they'll either have to drag their policies into the 21st century or accept that Democrats will lead the country to a better place.

That's bullshit. You wait until you can pack the SC to solve it. Allowing the other party to gerrymander while you don't is idiotic.

 

[Jhhnn]

I would guess recounts generally help Democrats. Isn't that what you're referring to?

I completely disagree with your feelings on this. Republicans don't listen to reason. If they want to play hardball. Democrats should not put redistricting commissions in blue states. Gerrymander the fuck out of them, so the Republicans beg for mercy. Once one party does it, it's necessary for the other to do it. This is how we got winner-take-all in elections. Once one state did it, it made no sense for others to not follow.

Win or lose, Dems support honest democracy on principle. We want every citizen 18 or older to vote. Dems have the confidence in our ideas & goals to believe we can win on a level playing field. The GOP knows that they can't.

It's rare for recounts to reverse an election unless they're extremely close. For once I have to agree with what Walker did. 1% is an entirely reasonable threshold.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/recounts-rarely-reverse-election-results/

 

[Jhhnn]

That's bullshit. You wait until you can pack the SC to solve it. Allowing the other party to gerrymander while you don't is idiotic.

Independent redistricting commissions are specifically designed to foil gerrymandering by either party.

 

[Maxima1]

It's rare for recounts to reverse an election unless they're extremely close. For once I have to agree with what Walker did. 1% is an entirely reasonable threshold.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/recounts-rarely-reverse-election-results/

Yes, I realize recounts almost never matter, but if I had to guess, Democrats probably have more issues with their votes counting.

Independent redistricting commissions are specifically designed to foil gerrymandering by either party.

No shit. The problem is that if the other party is gerrymandering states they control, you have to balance it out with a gerrymander in your states.

 

[fskimospy]

The right answer at least for the moment is to put a redistributing intitiative on the ballot in every state that allows it.

 

[Commodus]

That's bullshit. You wait until you can pack the SC to solve it. Allowing the other party to gerrymander while you don't is idiotic.

If you wait until you have ideal conditions before you set things right, you'll never set things right. You do the good thing when you can and refuse to budge beyond that. Again, fair districting is inherently skewed against Republicans; do that and we accomplish our goals without looking as bad as the people we despise.

 

[Maxima1]

If you wait until you have ideal conditions before you set things right, you'll never set things right.

It's very easy. You just pack the SC when you get the chance. And if you aren't for that, Roberts hates these initiative commissions. He'll probably move at some point to strike them all down considering Kennedy is no longer here. You can do all the advocating after 2020, but we need some states in reserve to counter Republican trifectas.

You do the good thing when you can and refuse to budge beyond that. Again, fair districting is inherently skewed against Republicans; do that and we accomplish our goals without looking as bad as the people we despise.

Republicans are still well-positioned to control the process once 2020 comes. Unless a spectacular upset happens, we lost big opportunities in Georgia, Florida, and Ohio. We're stupidly boxing ourselves in once 2020 comes. If we don't counter gerrymanders, then it defeats the whole purpose of the independent redistricting, since then Republicans unfairly get more representation for a decade.

 

[Jhhnn]

Yes, I realize recounts almost never matter, but if I had to guess, Democrats probably have more issues with their votes counting.



No shit. The problem is that if the other party is gerrymandering states they control, you have to balance it out with a gerrymander in your states.

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Apply what Macron said about nationalism to partisanship.

 

[Maxima1]

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Apply what Macron said about nationalism to partisanship.

So what do you think of packing the SC? You don't find it disturbing that it probably was better that Hillary lost? You don't find it disturbing that had 2018 gone +4-5 R in the Senate, the Democrats chance of control probably would be out of reach for many years?

 

[Jhhnn]

So what do you think of packing the SC? You don't find it disturbing that it probably was better that Hillary lost? You don't find it disturbing that had 2018 gone +4-5 R in the Senate, the Democrats chance of control probably would be out of reach for many years?

Better that Hillary lost? Obviously not wrt the SCOTUS or anything else, for that matter.

 

[Maxima1]

Better that Hillary lost? Obviously not wrt the SCOTUS or anything else, for that matter.

That's wrong. No Doug Jones. Now look at what was available to potentially pick up. I don't buy that Comey cost her that much. Solid R Senate. Then Democrats would have gotten annihilated in 2018 with a 58-60 Republican Senate, and possibly a Convention of the States due to Republicans controlling the vast majority of the states.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate_elections,_2016

States where the margin of victory was between 1% and 5%:

1. Pennsylvania, 1.43%
2. Missouri, 2.79%
3. Wisconsin, 3.36%

 

[FIVR]

Democrats will roll over and let the GOP gerrymander the fvck out of 70% of US states while they refuse to gerrymander Dem states "for democracy".


You can't complain when you set yourself up to lose like this. The republicans have ZERO interest in democracy but they will gladly take advantage of your "principles". Either we gerrymander our states to prevent Russian agents like Rorbacher running districts in Dem states or we simply roll over and give up.

 

[FIVR]

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Apply what Macron said about nationalism to partisanship.

Macron is Trump's best buddy on the world stage. He doesn't give a fvck about democracy. He wants to be Emperor of Europe.

 

[Maxima1]

Also, Kansas and Wisconsin aren't out of the woods yet. They still have a supermajority Republican state legislature. If that doesn't change in 2020, they'll override the Democrat governor.