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[Retro Rob]

no it isn't.

seriously, look up Michael Pittman, that human filth stain, if you want a good example of how the NFL deals with repeated wife beaters in comparison to how they deal with victimless smokers.

This has nothing to do with Pittman, and speaking of victimless crimes, you're probably against sterioid users.

If a player can't comply by a simple rule and risks perhaps a hundred million future dollars for something as cheap as a ten-dollar high, then he is an idiot and an addict.

Addicts are dangers to society.

 

[zinfamous]

This has nothing to do with Pittman, and speaking of victimless crimes, you're probably against sterioid users.

If a player can't comply by a simple rule and risks perhaps a hundred million future dollars for something as cheap as a ten-dollar high, then he is an idiot and an addict.

Addicts are dangers to society.

I'm against steroid users? news to me.


addicts. rofl. My point was about how the NFL disciplines its players for different types of infractions. Michael Pittman and other shithole thugs have everything to do with this, because it is part of the long history of misaligned priorities in the NFL.

how the fuck long did it take them to "do something" about Pacman Jones?

but, you know, dude gets high 3 times, hurts no one, sorry...you lose a year. Shame that his choice to mitigate pain, far superior to what the Docs were injecting into his arms and legs, gets this kind of punishment.

I understand the issue with being punished for repeatedly violating a stated clause. But only a soulless muffinhead would think that this punishment warrants more severity than that given to a wife-beater and other criminals that have been long-fancied by the NFL.

 

[Retro Rob]

I'm against steroid users? news to me.


addicts. rofl. My point was about how the NFL disciplines its players for different types of infractions. Michael Pittman and other shithole thugs have everything to do with this, because it is part of the long history of misaligned priorities in the NFL.

how the fuck long did it take them to "do something" about Pacman Jones?

but, you know, dude gets high 3 times, hurts no one, sorry...you lose a year. Shame that his choice to mitigate pain, far superior to what the Docs were injecting into his arms and legs, gets this kind of punishment.

I understand the issue with being punished for repeatedly violating a stated clause. But only a soulless muffinhead would think that this punishment warrants more severity than that given to a wife-beater and other criminals that have been long-fancied by the NFL.

Wait, what?

I hope you're not talking about me because I'm not equating wife-beating with smoking pot like you are.

I think the repuatation of the player should always be considered...as I said earlier, Ray Rice isn't a repeated offender like idiots like Josh Gordon is.

So a guy who did something once should be suspended longer than a player that has shown he doesn't care about the rules?

 

[zinfamous]

Wait, what?

I hope you're not talking about me because I'm not equating wife-beating with smoking pot like you are.

I think the repuatation of the player should always be considered...as I said earlier, Ray Rice isn't a repeated offender like idiots like Josh Gordon is.

So a guy who did something once should be suspended longer than a player that has shown he doesn't care about the rules?

see, you are thoroughly confused. You are basically equating the punishment to the number of violations of said rule, regardless of offense.

I am in no way equating domestic violence with pot use--that is actually the crux of my argument. You are, however because to you it seems only about repeated violations.

You also claim that "Addicts are a danger to society."

we're talking about pot. Climb out from under your rock and hit yourself a few times, because that's just dumb.

Ray Rice is cool, though, because he only beat his wife once, as far as we know. Josh Gordon is a piece of shit and a threat to society because he gets high.

OK.

 

[Retro Rob]

see, you are thoroughly confused. You are basically equating the punishment to the number of violations of said rule, regardless of offense.

I'm simply saying that just because Gordon is done for the year, does that mean they should somehow revisit Rice's punishment? Of course, wife-beating is way worse that smoking pot, but this really isn't about what's worse -- it's about a repeat offender.

You are, however because to you it seems only about repeated violations.

Just pointing out that that is the reason why he's done. Don't really see why Ray Rice, let alone Michael freaking Pittman, is even in this discussion.

Perhaps when Suh gets a one-game suspension for late-hitting a QB, we should lobby that he get a year and a half because Gordon got a year for "victimless smoking". 🙄

Your point is silly.

we're talking about pot.

Of course we are, so why bring wife-beating into this?

 

[zinfamous]

Of course we are, so why bring wife-beating into this?

Because I was making a point about fucked-up priorities. Does this bother you?

You made a point about him being punished as a repeat violator. I get that. I never had an issue with understanding why he was being punished.

But that isn't my point. My point is that the NFL has fucked priorities. Why would you choose to address my point by bringing in your own shit that isn't related?

I'm going to keep making this point, by the way. I don't care if it bothers you.

I've long been annoyed about how professional sports teams deal with repeat criminals. They've long-coddled violent and abusive criminals, but hand down draconian punishments on people that do something that hurts no one.

it's fucked.

If you want to discuss this with me, fine. But accept the fact that I am going to point out what I see as bullshit. I don't really care if you can't keep up. My point isn't silly. The fact that you ignore what I am saying by trying to point out what I already know, as if claiming I have no right to make a direct comparison about these priorities, is silly.

"victimless smoking." why is that in quotes with rolly-eyes? pray-tell: who was Gordon hurting by smoking some reefer?

 

[Retro Rob]

Because I was making a point about fucked-up priorities. Does this bother you?

OK, but I'm not the NFL.

But that isn't my point. My point is that the NFL has fucked priorities. Why would you choose to address my point by bringing in your own shit that isn't related?

Well, OK...then you're bitching at the wrong people. What, do you want me to simply agree with you? Yes, the NFL does have stupid priorities, but we were talking about the suspension itself -- you started railing against crap that no one here can fix.

I've long been annoyed about how professional sports teams deal with repeat criminals. They've long-coddled violent and abusive criminals, but hand down draconian punishments on people that do something that hurts no one.

The justice is screwed up, but just because something "hurts no one" doesn't mean that it shouldn't carry harsh punishment.

These issues are separate issues for the reasons you stated, and should be handled as such.

"victimless smoking." why is that in quotes with rolly-eyes? pray-tell: who was Gordon hurting by smoking some reefer?

Because, my Suh comparision was made to show how silly your logic is. You seemed to be arguing about the severity of the infraction...so I simply took it fruther by saying that if a dude gets a year for smoking, then all infractions in excess of that should carry at least a year's suspension.

 

[lupi]

I was against the suspension, but now that I know it pisses off the potheads, he should have gotten two years!

 

[zinfamous]

OK, but I'm not the NFL.




Well, OK...then you're bitching at the wrong people. What, do you want me to simply agree with you? Yes, the NFL does have stupid priorities, but we were talking about the suspension itself -- you started railing against crap that no one here can fix.

I made a simple comment...you pretty much rolled with it. I made one comparison. What is "we"? If you mean "we" as in "you," then correct--you brought this into discussion territory.

You started this, Paco. 😀

lol at the bolded: welcome to an internet forum, I guess?

 

[zinfamous]

I was against the suspension, but now that I know it pisses off the potheads, he should have gotten two years!

I'm a pothead? I hardly smoke anything.

 

[RPD]

Zin I think really the only logical argument one can make when comparing things like violent crimes and this (for example Donte whats his name that had the DUI that killed someone's father) is in this case, he knew the rule and said F it, not once but twice.

The other cases like the DUI, I would like to say people know it's wrong but when they do it they never imagine the worse case scenario happening.

But I agree, I think it's pretty stupid message, people have done far, far worse, repeat offenders and get less than this.

 

[SSSnail]

He's a DE, apologies.

I thought you said TE there for a sec, because he's definitely not.


I'll be here all week folks. And don't forget to tip your waiters and waitresses.

 

[Dirigible]

The discrepancy between punishments for pot and for domestic violence is one of a long line of actions that shows the NFL is run by shitheads.

But we knew that already. The NFL is like sausage. I enjoy it as long as I don't think about it to hard or inspect it too closely.

As always, the lesson here is to drink lots of beer.

 

[Retro Rob]

I made a simple comment...you pretty much rolled with it. I made one comparison. What is "we"? If you mean "we" as in "you," then correct--you brought this into discussion territory.

You started this, Paco. 😀

lol at the bolded: welcome to an internet forum, I guess?

I failed to mention this, but your pacman argument is a valid one. How can a pukebag like him not get a year off?

 

[SSSnail]

You know what's messed up? Dwayne Bowe got suspended for one game for something he wasn't even convicted. Supposedly, he was accused of marijuana possession, but the court did not charge him because there was no case, the charge them became littering or some shit like that. Anyways, Goodell suspended him for one game just because...

 

[zinfamous]

I failed to mention this, but your pacman argument is a valid one. How can a pukebag like him not get a year off?

I think the most egregious thing with him is that, as far as I remember, it never was anything to do with his crimes--other than the fact that he seemed to spend more time committing crime than practicing--that sent him out of the NFL.

He simply "lost his touch." He got suspensions here and there, over and over again, but teams kept him in the league as long as he could produce on the field.

 

[Phoenix86]

Zin I think really the only logical argument one can make when comparing things like violent crimes and this (for example Donte whats his name that had the DUI that killed someone's father) is in this case, he knew the rule and said F it, not once but twice.

The other cases like the DUI, I would like to say people know it's wrong but when they do it they never imagine the worse case scenario happening.

But I agree, I think it's pretty stupid message, people have done far, far worse, repeat offenders and get less than this.

Which brings up a good point, what exactly is the worst case scenario with pot? Doritos, Taco Bell? 😛

Which is Zin's point.

How the fuck does a crime who's worst case doesn't sniff the least case of any violent crime. OK, I'm sure there's an extreme on both ends where it's close and perhaps pot is more dangerous.

I wonder how sports/normal companies will deal with the legalization as it spreads.

 

[Phoenix86]

You know what's messed up? Dwayne Bowe got suspended for one game for something he wasn't even convicted. Supposedly, he was accused of marijuana possession, but the court did not charge him because there was no case, the charge them became littering or some shit like that. Anyways, Goodell suspended him for one game just because...

I wonder if the players will ever handle the league for imposing punishment for non-existent crimes. On one hand you have Aaron Hernandez case where it's a major crime with strong evidence. I think everyone would agree to boot him out before a trial. The flip side of that coin is equally interesting, getting punished for things you aren't charged for...

 

[zinfamous]

Which brings up a good point, what exactly is the worst case scenario with pot? Doritos, Taco Bell? 😛

Which is Zin's point.

How the fuck does a crime who's worst case doesn't sniff the least case of any violent crime. OK, I'm sure there's an extreme on both ends where it's close and perhaps pot is more dangerous.

I wonder how sports/normal companies will deal with the legalization as it spreads.

yeah, exactly, I get that the dude is a repeat violator--I mean, he's an idiot. I get it.

But I don't care if he keeps breaking the pot rule 10 times. 11 times. whatever. It's a dumb fucking rule. ...especially when breaking it 30 times isn't nearly as bad as actually beating your spouse once.

 

[RPD]

Quit trying to impose your logic on the NFL.

Regarding the punishment on yet to be found crimes or accusations, they can do that due to their player image or what's it called....Gah, brain fart. Basically they are held to a higher standard, just because you aren't breaking a law doesn't mean they can't cut you loose for it.

 

[zinfamous]

Quit trying to impose your logic on the NFL.

Regarding the punishment on yet to be found crimes or accusations, they can do that due to their player image or what's it called....Gah, brain fart. Basically they are held to a higher standard, just because you aren't breaking a law doesn't mean they can't cut you loose for it.

right, which brings me back to Pittman. He had multiple charges filed against him, over several years, before he was eventually arrested for actually trying to run his wife over, and the NFL never did anything during those prior events.

I guess I don't get their "higher standards." Yes, I know my logic is obviously different from theirs, but it doesn't mean we have to ignore their bullshit.

 

[Retro Rob]

right, which brings me back to Pittman. He had multiple charges filed against him, over several years, before he was eventually arrested for actually trying to run his wife over, and the NFL never did anything during those prior events.

I guess I don't get their "higher standards." Yes, I know my logic is obviously different from theirs, but it doesn't mean we have to ignore their bullshit.

I get your point, but you're essentially saying that the NFL shouldn't do anything for people who "victimless smoke" compared to other acts they let off the hook.

But...aren't we missing the big picture? Shouldn't we be ragging on Gordon for blowing this season because of a 10-dollar high? Oh yeah, he was arrested for drunk driving too, so he isn't an innocent victim.

I'm all for pointing out BS, but that doesn't free Gordon of willingly breaking the rules, no matter how dumb they seem -- they're still rules, and he should be held personally accountable.

I remember Bill Belichick sending dudes to the crib because a snow storm make a few guys late for practice. Rules are rules, man, no matter how dumb they are.

 

[RPD]

right, which brings me back to Pittman. He had multiple charges filed against him, over several years, before he was eventually arrested for actually trying to run his wife over, and the NFL never did anything during those prior events.

I guess I don't get their "higher standards." Yes, I know my logic is obviously different from theirs, but it doesn't mean we have to ignore their bullshit.

It's whatever is better for their bottom line at the end of the day, for the most part otherwise (which I know doesn't apply in Gordon's case), but if you are a play maker you almost never get the book thrown at you, you live to play another day.

 

[zinfamous]

I get your point, but you're essentially saying that the NFL shouldn't do anything for people who "victimless smoke" compared to other acts they let off the hook.

But...aren't we missing the big picture? Shouldn't we be ragging on Gordon for blowing this season because of a 10-dollar high? Oh yeah, he was arrested for drunk driving too, so he isn't an innocent victim.

I'm all for pointing out BS, but that doesn't free Gordon of willingly breaking the rules, no matter how dumb they seem -- they're still rules, and he should be held personally accountable.

I remember Bill Belichick sending dudes to the crib because a snow storm make a few guys late for practice. Rules are rules, man, no matter how dumb they are.

I'm not necessarily saying they shouldn't do anything about certain rule violations, as i never directly addressed that.

But, how about this: 2 games for the reefer, a year susension for uh, I don't know, violent crimes?

 

[lupi]

remember when dungy was making stuff up because he was a homophobe.


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