~~2013 MLB WORLD SERIES~~ Cardinals VS Red Sox

[The Boston Dangler]

ortiz leads the cardinals, 3 games to 2

 

[bobeedee]

I often wondered how can you watch a ball game waving a fuckin towel for 9 innings.

just sayen...

Go Sox

 

[BUTCH1]

ortiz leads the cardinals, 3 games to 2

As insane as Papi has been you have to give a nod to Lester, dude is a total stud, 2 games, both 7+ innings 2 runs allowed, not too shabby..

 

[looper]

Oh yeah... Red Sox... Jon Lester is a big game MONSTER....

"Who's Your Daddy?"

 

[manly]

Looked like Lester brought out a new glove today?

 

[looper]

Really? You mad, bro?

While Beltran leans into that pitch in game 4, making sure he got hit on that padded elbow... that's bush-league cheating, IMO.

 

[raystorm]

As much as I didn't want to see a Cards/Sawx series I must say the WS has been very entertaining.

 

[Sho'Nuff]

Reggie, maybe? Papi is up there, though.

By the way, what the hell happened to him--3 seasons ago and then this season? I thought he was long done...

He had a pretty badly injured achilles a few years ago. Hurt almost all aspects of his game, and he got even heavier than he is normally. He dropped some weight this season and it has helped a lot.

 

[Sho'Nuff]

I hate to be a total rumormonger, but how did Barry Bonds turn from a speedy 4-tool player to the greatest slugger ever in the back half of his career?

Bonds was juicing long before the back half of his career.

 

[SP33Demon]

Really? You mad, bro?

While Beltran leans into that pitch in game 4, making sure he got hit on that padded elbow... that's bush-league cheating, IMO.

The replay made it pretty clear that the pitch was off the plate so it doesn't matter how Beltran leaned. The announcers explained this explicitly.

 

[lupi]

Series should be over already. A horrendous error in one game and mystery call in aanother denied us of a well deserved sweep.

 

[dbk]

Boston will prob win.. Uehara WS MVP

 

[TechBoyJK]

Series should be over already. A horrendous error in one game and mystery call in aanother denied us of a well deserved sweep.

What was the mystery call?

The obstruction at third? That call was about as mysterious as a fast ball down the middle being called a strike.

 

[TechBoyJK]

Really? You mad, bro?

While Beltran leans into that pitch in game 4, making sure he got hit on that padded elbow... that's bush-league cheating, IMO.

It's natural to lean when the pitch is coming in. Take your comment over to /r/baseball on reddit. To say Beltran leaned in and was cheating is extremely delusional and grasping for excuses. The pitch was off the plate and Beltran had ZERO obligation to move. He had every right as a batter to be in the space he was when he got hit.

 

[TechBoyJK]

As insane as Papi has been you have to give a nod to Lester, dude is a total stud, 2 games, both 7+ innings 2 runs allowed, not too shabby..

Yep. I think he's been one of the key figures keeping the Cards in check.

 

[iRONic]

Two chances at Fenway to win a championship. Hell yeah!

Ellsbury
Victorino/Nava
Pedroia
Ortiz
Napoli
Bogaerts
Gomes
Ross
Drew

Lackey

Wacha's been great so far. He'll have to pitch the game of his young career to get St. Louis to a Game 7.

Go Sox!

 

[iRONic]

My current MVP candidates;

Ortiz
Lester
Koji

 

[lupi]

Actual, from my memory of the rule being discussed on air before the umpire may deny a free base if he believes the hitter didn't do due diligence in attempting to avoid being hit by the ball.

 

[Perknose]

Actual, from my memory of the rule being discussed on air before the umpire may deny a free base if he believes the hitter didn't do due diligence in attempting to avoid being hit by the ball.

That is the rule, and it has been enforced, but I wouldn't say that it is that strictly or closely enforced.

It's kind of like how the umps will let the second baseman have his foot near but not always on the bag on a double play with the runner barreling in . . . rule enforcement in real life sometimes bows to the physical realities of the game . . . in that, in the HBP case, even if a batter didn't do everything he could to avoid being plunked in the ribs by that 100mph fast ball, well, maybe he earned first base anyway.

 

[acheron]

We'll see how game 6 (or 7) goes but I think Ortiz would be MVP.

Hell, even if the Cardinals win Ortiz still has a case to be MVP.

 

[Chappie]

It will very interesting to see how the Cards "new" ace handles the big stage in Boston...in my mind Waino is a very good pitcher, but no longer an "elite" pitcher. Still good, but not elite.

If the Wacha can get the Birds to game 7 who knows what could happen...

And Ortiz is a flat out stud...

Chappie

 

[Perknose]

The pitch was off the plate and Beltran had ZERO obligation to move.

Actually, that's not true, as the rule is written. I believe the rule states that the pitch both has to be out of the strike zone AND the batter tries to avoid it.

Yup, here's the rule in all its glory:

[SIZE=-1][SIZE=-1]6.08 [/SIZE][SIZE=-1]The batter becomes a runner and is entitled to first base without liability to be put out (provided he advances to and touches first base) when-[/SIZE][/SIZE]​

[SIZE=-1][SIZE=-1](a) Four "balls" have been called by the umpire; A batter who is entitled to first base because of a base on balls must go to first base and touch the base before other base runners are forced to advance. This applies when bases are full and applies when a substitute runner is put into the game. If, in advancing, the base runner thinks there is a play and he slides past the base before or after touching it he may be put out by the fielder tagging him. If he fails to touch the base to which he is entitled and attempts to advance beyond that base he may be put out by tagging him or the base he missed.[/SIZE]​

[SIZE=-1](b) He is touched by a pitched ball which he is not attempting to hit unless[/SIZE]​

[SIZE=-1](1) The ball is in the strike zone when it touches the batter, or[/SIZE]​

[SIZE=-1](2) The batter makes no attempt to avoid being touched by the ball; If the ball is in the strike zone when it touches the batter, it shall be called a strike, whether or not the batter tries to avoid the ball. If the ball is outside the strike zone when it touches the batter, it shall be called a ball if he makes no attempt to avoid being touched.[/SIZE]​

[SIZE=-1]APPROVED RULING:[/SIZE][SIZE=-1] When the batter is touched by a pitched ball which does not entitle him to first base, the ball is dead and no runner may advance.[/SIZE]​

[/SIZE]

However, as we can see, this rule is just not that strictly enforced.

 

[iRONic]

Actual, from my memory of the rule being discussed on air before the umpire may deny a free base if he believes the hitter didn't do due diligence in attempting to avoid being hit by the ball.

If your argument seeks to prove Carlos Beltran shouldn't have been awarded first base in Game 3, I offer this name in counter-argument; Shane Victorino.

In 57 plate appearances this post season Victorino has been hit seven times. Several of those times he moved less than Beltran did.

 

[lupi]

Don't recall the game, but think it was near the end of the season that someone got nicked but told to stay at the plate.

 

[lupi]

And there's also a time limit for pitches to be done.


All I'm saying is that when someone states the batter has no responsibility to move from the pitch, they'd be quite wrong.