~~2013 MLB WORLD SERIES~~ Cardinals VS Red Sox

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World Series Champion?

  • Boston Red Sox

  • St. Louis Cardinals


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zinfamous

No Lifer
Jul 12, 2006
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Holy shit.

last two games end on boneheaded plays

:D

(okay, I wouldn't really call the throw to 3rd in game 3 boneheaded, but still--mistakes)
 

manly

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Not controversial whatsoever. The runner was in the base path and was obstructed from advancing by a player not fielding a ball or making a play. The third base ump made the call as soon as he tripped.
watched it again in tonight's broadcast and you can see Craig slide into the bag, pop up and then step to his left where he was obstructed. Although I don't argue Joyce's call, he may have seen it differently if Middlebrooks' legs didn't go up. How much leeway does the runner get in running off the chalk?

Had to kind of LOL@ Molina wanting no part of trying to block the plate with a barreling Big Papi coming down the line..
Many managers instruct their catchers to not block the plate. Esp. if he's a valuable hitter such as Molina.
 

BUTCH1

Lifer
Jul 15, 2000
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busch league :p

Crazy mistake, no need for any big lead off first there, your not gonna steal and risk getting thrown out, not with a hitter of the caliber of Beltran at the plate, your hoping for a 2 run poke, Uehara was as fast as a rattlesnake with that throw, awesome!..
 

manly

Lifer
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Crazy mistake, no need for any big lead off first there, your not gonna steal and risk getting thrown out, not with a hitter of the caliber of Beltran at the plate, your hoping for a 2 run poke, Uehara was as fast as a rattlesnake with that throw, awesome!..
not to mention that play doesn't happen if Boston isn't unnecessarily holding him on (as McCarver pointed out, he was an "incidental" runner).
 

TallBill

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Apr 29, 2001
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watched it again in tonight's broadcast and you can see Craig slide into the bag, pop up and then step to his left where he was obstructed. Although I don't argue Joyce's call, he may have seen it differently if Middlebrooks' legs didn't go up. How much leeway does the runner get in running off the chalk?

Actually Joyce said that he didn't even really see the legs come up. The runner creates his own base path. He is considered out of the base path if he moves unnaturally towards the next bag or changes his path. Farrell made a statement today saying that the Umpires got it correct, although he wouldn't mind seeing "intent to obstruct" added to the rule. Selig didn't comment.
 

BUTCH1

Lifer
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not to mention that play doesn't happen if Boston isn't unnecessarily holding him on (as McCarver pointed out, he was an "incidental" runner).

Maybe the Sox noticed a tendency for wong to take large leads and thought they had a shot at a pickoff, the "incidental" runner turned out to far from that has he took the bat out of a dangerous hitter's hands..
 

BUTCH1

Lifer
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Well here we are, best of 3 now what a hard fought and strange series, never i the history has a game ended on an obstruction call and never before had a game ended with a pickoff of a runner for the third out, game 5 tomorrow, stay tuned who knows what will happen??
 
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zinfamous

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I would. You had two outs with Uehera on the mound, no need to make the throw.

fair enough, but the scouting report on what's-his-face was that he was terrible, gimpy runner going into that game, so you're probably going to make that throw, anyway. :\
 

zinfamous

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Crazy mistake, no need for any big lead off first there, your not gonna steal and risk getting thrown out, not with a hitter of the caliber of Beltran at the plate, your hoping for a 2 run poke, Uehara was as fast as a rattlesnake with that throw, awesome!..

seriously.

getting picked is maybe 20% of that mistake.

The fact that you have BELTRAN at the plate when it happens, though...pathetic.

But it was indeed a clutch pick--insane, even.

poor bastard, pinch running and all that.
 

zinfamous

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stay tuned who knows what qill happen??

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:hmm:
 

TechBoyJK

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How much leeway does the runner get in running off the chalk?

The chalk is the foul line; it has nothing to do with the baseline. Baseline is defined by the runner. That's why they can round bases and don't have to run straight to the base, pivot, etc.
 
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The chalk is the foul line; it has nothing to do with the baseline. Baseline is defined by the runner. That's why they can round bases and don't have to run straight to the base, pivot, etc.

unless there's a play being made on him by the defense. then, the runner has a straight line to the base, and is automatically out if he's over 3 feet from that straight line

not to mention that play doesn't happen if Boston isn't unnecessarily holding him on (as McCarver pointed out, he was an "incidental" runner).

lightning has struck - i agreed with mccarver. according to conventional baseball theory, holding him made no sense, unless they wanted to avoid beltran at all costs. it was 1 in a million they got the pick off, and it would be unlikely holding him would keep him from 3rd on most hits.
 
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Poulsonator

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not to mention that play doesn't happen if Boston isn't unnecessarily holding him on (as McCarver pointed out, he was an "incidental" runner).

It wasn't unnecessary, the Sox were playing the lines / no doubles defense. Not surprisingly, the worst announcer on TV didn't recognize that.
 

iRONic

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Jan 28, 2006
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And that's why David Ortiz plays first base in NL parks!

If John Farrell can manage to avoid fucking up the rest of his decisions these next three games the Red Sox have a chance to win this thing.

Go Sox!
 

iRONic

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Jan 28, 2006
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There's a lot of heart being shown by guys on both teams. Craig, Beltran playing banged up. Buchholz pitching at less than 100%... Victorino going down. Lackey coming out of the pen.

Props to both teams.
 

iRONic

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Jan 28, 2006
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Well here we are, best of 3 now what a hard fought and strange series, never i the history has a game ended on an obstruction call and never before had a game ended with a pickoff of a runner for the third out, game 5 tomorrow, stay tuned who knows what will happen??
Balk plates winning run in Game 6.
 

Anubis

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Aug 31, 2001
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There's a lot of heart being shown by guys on both teams. Craig, Beltran playing banged up. Buchholz pitching at less than 100%... Victorino going down. Lackey coming out of the pen.

Props to both teams.
lackey coming out of the pen might be an issue for game 6