2013 Camaro V6 rental

[Arkaign]

I think GM should have made the car BIGGER.

Hahah there's always the Challenger

I think the Mustang has more usable space (and performs a little better as well, with better visibility to boot). Subjectively, I could see someone preferring the looks of the Camaro. I have a hard time looking at a Camaro (or mustang for that matter), and not seeing that $25k could have bought one hell of a sweet used Vette hahah.

 

[jtvang125]

Never knew the v6 came with 18" wheels. Always thought they were like 15s. Even with 18s they still look small on that car. 18" wheels on my full size lexus was a perfect match already. Just shows how huge the car really is.

 

[Zivic]

Hahah there's always the Challenger

I think the Mustang has more usable space (and performs a little better as well, with better visibility to boot). Subjectively, I could see someone preferring the looks of the Camaro. I have a hard time looking at a Camaro (or mustang for that matter), and not seeing that $25k could have bought one hell of a sweet used Vette hahah.

the camaro to me is a car that a designer put together, and then some dumb hick came in and said, that would be sooo much cooler if it were bigger... so they made it 6" wider, 20" longer and 800 # heavier than it needed to be.

looks are subjective. I can see people liking the looks, but I'll take a new mustang over the camaro

 

[Zap]

No 0-60 time?

I think "officially" it is around 6 seconds. I don't have any precise way of measuring it.

The trunk, I just don't get at all. How much harder would it have been to design the opening so that you could get something in there?

I managed three good sized bags that were too large to be carry-on, plus a few smaller carry-on bags. Trunk Tetris, yo!

What size wheels has that thing got? 17's? I never noticed how huge the sidewall had to be to fill those wheelwells.

18" are stock. Combine that with the 55 series tires... and they still don't look very big. That's how big the vehicle is.

 

[hans007]

Well, it is a sports car of sorts. It's designed for performance not practicality. I find this to be the case with a lot of cars like this. My dad's Audi A6 has a tiny trunk compared to my Civic and my mom's old Lexus ES300.

its not really a sports car. its more like a 2 door pontiac g8.

the thing weighs 4000 pounds. the trunk opening is terrible really. some GT coupes have much more practical openings at least (mustang, A5, really almost anything)

 

[phucheneh]

I think "officially" it is around 6 seconds. I don't have any precise way of measuring it.



I managed three good sized bags that were too large to be carry-on, plus a few smaller carry-on bags. Trunk Tetris, yo!



18" are stock. Combine that with the 55 series tires... and they still don't look very big. That's how big the vehicle is.

Damn, they one-upped the Mustang. I remember when the current gen came out- 17's basically looked like the new 15's...needed 19's to look like 17's used to.

That Camaro needs 20's, easy. 22's wouldn't even look out of place. Chip Foose must have designed those wheel wells. :hmm:

And as far as the trunk- the space itself looks freaking huge. That's what makes the mail slot you have to go through seem so silly.

 

[overst33r]

I'm glad the next gen Camaro will be built on the Alpha platform, the same compact platform the ATS is built on, not the full size Zeta platform the current one sits on. Should make it significantly lighter and more fun to drive.

The ATS has already been commended as a better driving car than the current 3 series. It will be interesting to see how it will fare against the new IRS Mustang.

 

[exdeath]

Bling bling dawg = sums up this generation Camaro. Try again.

 

[mmntech]

Yes, it is a sports car. But if I can't fit 2 golf bags in there, it does me no good. I usually go to the course with a friend, so it is 2 bags. Sometimes, we meet at the course, then I need room for only 1 bag. Any car, needs to have some usable luggage space.

its not really a sports car. its more like a 2 door pontiac g8.

the thing weighs 4000 pounds. the trunk opening is terrible really. some GT coupes have much more practical openings at least (mustang, A5, really almost anything)

People get pissy when pony cars are referred to as sports cars. Maybe we'll just settle and throw them all into the category of performance cars. Needless to say they all have smallish trunks. It's not like the old days when they'd throw a 6.0L big block into a land yacht sedan. You can make the same argument with hot hatches.

 

[LTC8K6]

I'm glad the next gen Camaro will be built on the Alpha platform, the same compact platform the ATS is built on, not the full size Zeta platform the current one sits on. Should make it significantly lighter and more fun to drive.

The ATS has already been commended as a better driving car than the current 3 series. It will be interesting to see how it will fare against the new IRS Mustang.

But the ATS is still 3500-3600 pounds and kinda slow...it needs the 3.6 to keep up with the 328i.

The 328i kinda blew the ATS off in this 4 cylinder comparo, even though the ATS handled very well.

http://www.caranddriver.com/comparisons/2012-bmw-328i-vs-2013-cadillac-ats-comparison-test

 

[ElFenix]

it really wasn't that long ago that 16" wheels were optional equipment on the mustang GT. and now the camaro makes 18" wheels look undersized. wtf.

 

[Zivic]

Bling bling dawg = sums up this generation Camaro. Try again.

in lil' wayne's words -> crazy stupid thick

 

[Zargon]

There's just so much priority on flash over practicality. The car's huge, but the thick pillars and tiny (height-wise) windows make visibility pretty bad. I would also just find it awkward to get around in because of how high up the window openings are (drive-throughs would become your mortal enemy).

The trunk, I just don't get at all. How much harder would it have been to design the opening so that you could get something in there? I've never seen taillights cut into the opening so much, and there's no reason for it. Looks like you could fit a couple sets of golf clubs in there...if you could fold them in half to get them in and out.

GM needs to keep their engine, transmission, and electrical designers and fire everyone else...in my opinion.

What size wheels has that thing got? 17's? I never noticed how huge the sidewall had to be to fill those wheelwells.

if you buy a camaro for practicality you are doing it wrong, its built as a frivilous toycar

not that your remarks arent valid, but it misses the market of the car IMO

 

[phucheneh]

To me, it doesn't matter if it's a daily driver or just a toy.

I just like functionality. I think it's odd that visibility would be better in a Corvette than in the Camaro. I've driven C6's, and it's not hard to tell where the back is, and it's easier to see out of the windshield and side windows. Although I would still go back to a 'function' problem if I was rolling in money and considering buying one- the ride is too damn rough for the street.

The fun is in the driving, and I don't really enjoy driving with no visibility. Or getting a broken ass from the 'vette. I'd take...I dunno, really. RS4 or something. Even an R8 would probably be more reasonable. (Not that I'm all over Audi's nuts, the RS's just came to mind first as practical/reasonable ride/fucking fast)

 

[hans007]

But the ATS is still 3500-3600 pounds and kinda slow...it needs the 3.6 to keep up with the 328i.

The 328i kinda blew the ATS off in this 4 cylinder comparo, even though the ATS handled very well.

http://www.caranddriver.com/comparisons/2012-bmw-328i-vs-2013-cadillac-ats-comparison-test

the gearing on the ATS transmission manual is not the same as the 328i.

and the 6 speed auto is not as good as the 8 speed in the bmw.

engine is supposedy peaky too. seems like a good platform though, woudl love to see what chevy does with it. ats 2.0t is like 3470 pounds. its only slightly heavier than the bmw, and pretty light compared to other competitors (got to consider, that when its in a chevy you could say delete a moonroof, not have all these extra motors and sound cladding etc, maybe get it under 3400)

 

[LTC8K6]

Pretty neat that the BMW, with 32 less horses, smartly walks away from the Caddy, and also got much better mpg on the long trip.

GM seems to only do one part of a car right at a time.

 

[hans007]

Pretty neat that the BMW, with 32 less horses, smartly walks away from the Caddy, and also got much better mpg on the long trip.

GM seems to only do one part of a car right at a time.

To be fair BMW underrates their engine. Edmund's dynod both and the BMW should be rated around 275. But the 335i realistically is maybe 315-320 so the gap wouldn't look as big

 

[PhoKingGuy]

To be fair BMW underrates their engine. Edmund's dynod both and the BMW should be rated around 275. But the 335i realistically is maybe 315-320 so the gap wouldn't look as big

N55 is so crippled from the factory its stupid. Stage 1 tune makes it an entirely different car.

 

[exar333]

But the ATS is still 3500-3600 pounds and kinda slow...it needs the 3.6 to keep up with the 328i.

The 328i kinda blew the ATS off in this 4 cylinder comparo, even though the ATS handled very well.

http://www.caranddriver.com/comparisons/2012-bmw-328i-vs-2013-cadillac-ats-comparison-test

I am not sure I agree with your assessment here. The 328i was the better car from the review, but the ATS handled much better. The article also reminded that the competition is getting better and BMW is going in the other direction. Even as the article says, add a better engine and the comparison goes the other way...

Our grave concern here is that, with each new car it introduces, BMW seems to wrap more padding around the sensations and feel that make them great—while its competitors only zero in more tightly on those same attributes. (We’re convinced that the E90 would handily win a comparison test against the F30.) The ATS is unquestionably the more satisfying sports sedan of these two. This time around, however, it wasn’t BMW’s virtues that placed it on top so much as it was Cadillac’s shortcomings. If nothing changes in Bavaria and GM can produce a better engine, it’s easy to see the next round of this matchup going to Cadillac.

 

[exar333]

Back on-topic.

Have not driven the new Camaro, so I don't have a personal opinion here. have driven the new Mustang and Challenger. Mustang is solid and the Challenger is way too big IMHO.

Sales numbers are interesting as the Camaro continues to outsell the Mustang (albeit slightly this year). The Camaro regularly gets trashed here on AT, but the 'general public' seems to like them. Main complaints seem to be blind spots, so I would imagine the convertible would be much better there, assuming the top is down.

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=248169

I think the battle will really heat-up when the alpha-platform Camaro vs. new Mustang with IRS arrives. Interestingly enough, the ZL1 usually comes up short in GT500 comparisons, but does handle much better. I would imagine this handling difference is measurably less with the standard V6 models. I am sure if the Camaro even has a 'track pack' for the V6 like the Mustang does? The new platforms will hopefully shed some weight and keep power around the same.

 

[overst33r]

Main complaints seem to be blind spots, so I would imagine the convertible would be much better there, assuming the top is down.

Ironically, I have yet to see one with the top down, and I live in FL!

 

[LTC8K6]

I am not sure I agree with your assessment here. The 328i was the better car from the review, but the ATS handled much better. The article also reminded that the competition is getting better and BMW is going in the other direction. Even as the article says, add a better engine and the comparison goes the other way...

Our grave concern here is that, with each new car it introduces, BMW seems to wrap more padding around the sensations and feel that make them great—while its competitors only zero in more tightly on those same attributes. (We’re convinced that the E90 would handily win a comparison test against the F30.) The ATS is unquestionably the more satisfying sports sedan of these two. This time around, however, it wasn’t BMW’s virtues that placed it on top so much as it was Cadillac’s shortcomings. If nothing changes in Bavaria and GM can produce a better engine, it’s easy to see the next round of this matchup going to Cadillac.

Sounds like you do agree with me. I said the ATS handled better. I also said the ATS needed the 3.6 to keep up with the 328i.

As far as which way the cars are going...America doesn't seem to want to touch manual transmissions with a 10 foot pole, so I wonder who is reading Americans correctly? I think it's BMW.

 

[exar333]

Sounds like you do agree with me. I said the ATS handled better. I also said the ATS needed the 3.6 to keep up with the 328i.

As far as which way the cars are going...America doesn't seem to want to touch manual transmissions with a 10 foot pole, so I wonder who is reading Americans correctly? I think it's BMW.

I doubt that. Next M5? No manual.

Took a quick look at the largest BMW dealer in town (far from scientific, I know). 145 total new BMW vehicles and 3 are manual. Checked the largest Cadillac dealership with 160 and they had 0. I don't think MT is a big issue for anyone, but Cadillac has at least included a MT with most of their 'enthusiast' cars if you build them yourself. Its tough to find manuals anywhere these days...:/

 

[nerp]

Camaro is a girl car.

This is what a Charger's trunk looks like:

Equivalent performance to the v6 camaro, better fuel economy, full size interior, four doors.

phucheneh, this is your car if you're looking for practical. Why anyone would want a v6 Camaro for daily driving is beyond me. And yes, I see more women driving them than men. A few around here even have custom lettering with statements to the extent of "Jenny's Ride," etc. Barf.

 

[LTC8K6]

I doubt that. Next M5? No manual.

Took a quick look at the largest BMW dealer in town (far from scientific, I know). 145 total new BMW vehicles and 3 are manual. Checked the largest Cadillac dealership with 160 and they had 0. I don't think MT is a big issue for anyone, but Cadillac has at least included a MT with most of their 'enthusiast' cars if you build them yourself. Its tough to find manuals anywhere these days...:/

Yes, BMW has gauged America correctly. Few manuals. That's what I said.

Americans mostly don't like manual transmissions.

Probably no sense in investing the time and engineering, unless your sales are small anyway.