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2013-14 NBA Season

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dbk said:
They saved like $20 million off their cap. Deng would've been a FA and prob would've left anyways.
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Yeah, they didn't just get under the cap, they avoided the repeat offender tax.

I wonder if Deng can really make a difference in Cleveland? They've got some issues there.
 
Yeah, not thrilled with how Chicago has handled Deng. Guy was an absolute warrior for them and throw him away without so much as a thanks. But the cold reality of the business is that they had a pile of lemons and made lemonade out of it. They didn't want to pay him and he'd walk away with nothing in return to show for it.

So they saved a pile of money off the books this year and picked up 2-3 very high level draft picks in return. It really was a smart move.
 
Haven't keeping up much this season but was surprised to see DeJuan Blair moved to Mavericks. Good for him, he's an aggressive player and Pop pretty much benched him the entire last season. We is starting for Mavs, good for him, happy for him!
 
vi edit said:
Yeah, not thrilled with how Chicago has handled Deng. Guy was an absolute warrior for them and throw him away without so much as a thanks. But the cold reality of the business is that they had a pile of lemons and made lemonade out of it. They didn't want to pay him and he'd walk away with nothing in return to show for it.

So they saved a pile of money off the books this year and picked up 2-3 very high level draft picks in return. It really was a smart move.
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Boozer would've been a better choice. He sucks and gets paid more than anyone on the team.

I have no clue what Chicago is thinking.

Also dropping Bayum is just insane. Their competition is gonna snatch him up......

At least get SOMETHING out of it. Future picks = nothing and usually take YEARS of development before it pays off.
 
Gibsons said:
travel much?
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this is why college basketball > NBA.
 
Vdubchaos said:
Boozer would've been a better choice. He sucks and gets paid more than anyone on the team.
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They can still amnesty Boozer and get him off the books. They haven't exercised that option. Bynum is a 12 year old in a 7' body with a horrible work ethic and jello for knees. He's done. Some teams will offer him a chance, but frankly I think he's made enough money to keep him happy and now he just wants to be done with Basketball. I don't think he ever really wanted to play anyway, he just had the physical abilities to do it well and was pushed into it from a young age.

And future picks are critical to a team rebuilding. Especially as more and more foreign players start entering the draft "mostly developed" as a professional player.
 
Interest in Bynum is basically nil at this point. There will be no snatching. The guy's head/heart just aren't in the game anymore.
 
jhbball said:
this is why college basketball > NBA.
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What a joke of a comment. College basketball is a piss poor product compared to NBA. Lots of sub par players, lots of missed shots and turnovers. The athletic ability just isn't comparable. Its your opinion, but its a terrible opinion that doesn't hold up to scrutiny.
 
cheezy321 said:
What a joke of a comment. College basketball is a piss poor product compared to NBA. Lots of sub par players, lots of missed shots and turnovers. The athletic ability just isn't comparable. Its your opinion, but its a terrible opinion that doesn't hold up to scrutiny.
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+1, I like college basketball, but man is it ugly to watch at times.
 
cheezy321 said:
What a joke of a comment. College basketball is a piss poor product compared to NBA. Lots of sub par players, lots of missed shots and turnovers. The athletic ability just isn't comparable. Its your opinion, but its a terrible opinion that doesn't hold up to scrutiny.
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So effectively, my opinion is invalid because you prefer the NBA. Here's a tip you simpleton: not everyone is looking for 24/7 alley-oops and hero ball. I'll concede that the NBA playoffs are fun to watch (you know, when everyone starts trying), but the regular season is hilariously awful. No heart and soul, playing in half-empty arenas (unless your team is one of the big 5-8 teams a season).

Regular season NBA is a snooze fest; allowing the stars to do whatever they want further ruins the game as well.
 
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College ball is so boring unless you're watching one of handful of the super elite teams. Most of the time it bores me. Pass the ball around the the perimeter back and forth work about 20 secs of the 35 sec shotclock and jack up a wild shot. Most college players cannot break down by a defender 1 on 1. March Madness is good for the upsets - not necessarily for the level of play, imo
 
jhbball said:
I'd take a missed lay-up combined with players that actually play defense over the same dwade/lebron alley-oop you see 5 times a game.
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LOL. Go watch the Miami vs Indy ECF series last year. That was a defensive showcase.
 
jhbball said:
So effectively, my opinion is invalid because you prefer the NBA. Here's a tip you simpleton: not everyone is looking for 24/7 alley-oops and hero ball. I'll concede that the NBA playoffs are fun to watch (you know, when everyone starts trying), but the regular season is hilariously awful. No heart and soul, playing in half-empty arenas (unless your team is one of the big 5-8 teams a season).

Regular season NBA is a snooze fest; allowing the stars to do whatever they want further ruins the game as well.
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Don't get me wrong, I like college basketball. Especially when the tournament starts.

Regular season college basketball is a snooze fest. Pretty much every decent team makes the tournament. 64 teams? Why does the regular season even matter? and the 1 year college requirement for the NBA it makes it even worse. We will see even more one and done players who barely care about their college. All it has become is a tryout for the NBA. That's it. If you want to talk about 'heart and soul', I can guarantee you the top 5 2014 projected picks care nothing about their college team. Its just a springboard to get drafted higher. Look at Wiggins. Everyone in the world knows he will be gone after this year. Do you really think he cares all that much about his legacy at Kansas? At least in football they have to play for 3 years.

The 'defense' argument is pure garbage. These players aren't nearly as polished as an NBA player. Take the best college defender and put them against an average NBA player and you will realize they were just playing inferior talent. You call it 'defense', I call it lack of skills. Look at Anthony Bennett. 16.5 PPG in college. He destroyed teams. Now look at him. Once he starts playing real opponents his FG % drops from 53% down to 27%. His PPG is down to a paltry 2.5. Sure, he might develop into a great player in the future. The only reason he will is because he is now playing top tier talent to build his skills.

There is a HUGE Grand Canyon sized chasm of talent between the NBA and the NCAA. Only ~60 players get drafted every single year. There are thousands playing in D1 college basketball.
 
cheezy321 said:
Don't get me wrong, I like college basketball. Especially when the tournament starts.

Regular season college basketball is a snooze fest. Pretty much every decent team makes the tournament. 64 teams? Why does the regular season even matter? and the 1 year college requirement for the NBA it makes it even worse. We will see even more one and done players who barely care about their college. All it has become is a tryout for the NBA. That's it. If you want to talk about 'heart and soul', I can guarantee you the top 5 2014 projected picks care nothing about their college team. Its just a springboard to get drafted higher. Look at Wiggins. Everyone in the world knows he will be gone after this year. Do you really think he cares all that much about his legacy at Kansas? At least in football they have to play for 3 years.

The 'defense' argument is pure garbage. These players aren't nearly as polished as an NBA player. Take the best college defender and put them against an average NBA player and you will realize they were just playing inferior talent. You call it 'defense', I call it lack of skills. Look at Anthony Bennett. 16.5 PPG in college. He destroyed teams. Now look at him. Once he starts playing real opponents his FG % drops from 53% down to 27%. His PPG is down to a paltry 2.5. Sure, he might develop into a great player in the future. The only reason he will is because he is now playing top tier talent to build his skills.

There is a HUGE Grand Canyon sized chasm of talent between the NBA and the NCAA. Only ~60 players get drafted every single year. There are thousands playing in D1 college basketball.
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I don't disagree with much of what you just said. I agree the talent gap is massive from D1 to the NBA. But the defense argument is a little more nuanced than how you've described it. Yes, A. Bennett has had a terrible year, but I wouldn't attribute that NBA players playing tenacious defense, but more the size/speed/height advantage of the players in the NBA. Also, let's be honest, A. Bennett was a gamble to begin with, considering UNLV and the conference as a whole hasn't been relevant in recent history.

As far as the regular season goes, rivalries and conference championships help give meaning to the regular season (and of course, tournament seed). Also, fewer regular season games helps to give each game more meaning. But again, if you don't have a stake in a particular team, I can understand why turning on a random college basketball game would be a bore to some.

Lastly, I agree about one-and-dones. I think they tarnish the college game (and yeah, they're ultimately trying out for the NBA). But, let's be honest, the number of teams with a full roster of one-and-dones is pretty limited. The big 5 will always have some, but for the rest of the teams, you'll be watching players grow and get better over the course of 2-3 years. But hey, look at Kentucky this year: full roster of 1andD lottery picks, but they're still losing games.

And yeah, with 64 teams in the tournament, there's certainly some scrub teams. But the beauty of the tournament, is one of the those teams always goes on a run and knocks out someone big.

Lastly, I just want to put my position in context. I'm from Michigan, so my NBA is typically awful, whereas the local college teams are typically competitive (MSU/Umich)
 
vi edit said:
They can still amnesty Boozer and get him off the books. They haven't exercised that option. Bynum is a 12 year old in a 7' body with a horrible work ethic and jello for knees. He's done. Some teams will offer him a chance, but frankly I think he's made enough money to keep him happy and now he just wants to be done with Basketball. I don't think he ever really wanted to play anyway, he just had the physical abilities to do it well and was pushed into it from a young age.

And future picks are critical to a team rebuilding. Especially as more and more foreign players start entering the draft "mostly developed" as a professional player.
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The Bulls have a Euro stud ready to play once this season is up. I forget his name but I've heard good things about him. If they amnesty Boozer, re-sign Butler and move Gibson they can clear a ton of capspace. With a good lottery pick in a deep draft they can add a piece that can come of the bench in year one. All that free space can land them a huge player alongside Rose, and if (IF...) they are smart they would try and land Melo.

I know he isn't the most popular player to many fans, but he is a legit top 3 scorer in the world and can be deadly with a good supporting cast. The Bulls are good enough defensively that they can cover him on that end of the court well enough. Meanwhile the difference he can make on the offensive end for the team, as well as unload pressure from DRose, is off the charts.
 
Vdubchaos said:
Boozer would've been a better choice. He sucks and gets paid more than anyone on the team.

I have no clue what Chicago is thinking.

Also dropping Bayum is just insane. Their competition is gonna snatch him up......

At least get SOMETHING out of it. Future picks = nothing and usually take YEARS of development before it pays off.
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Nobody will trade anything worthwhile for Boozer, his contract is virtually unmovable. They can still amnesty him if they want to.

I don't get the Cavs tbh. 2 years ago they traded useful Ramon Sessions and a pick for Luke Walton! Now they refused to give the Lakers a draft pick only to give the Bulls 3? Sure I like Deng more Gasol, but the gap just isn't worth 3 picks.
 
For the first time this year took a look at the Eastern conference standings, DAMN, why dont they dissolve these teams... just wow
 
They're not short on talent (well, for the most part), moreso experience and chemistry. It's not a good year for those teams but a number of them have potentially bright futures.
 
DesiPower said:
For the first time this year took a look at the Eastern conference standings, DAMN, why dont they dissolve these teams... just wow
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They're up to four teams over .500 and they've got a number of teams on decent winning streaks, so I'd say this is actually the best the Eastern Conference has looked all season. And, yes, that is tragic. It's absurd that the East will end up with at least 3 teams under .500 going to the playoffs while the West will likely have to turn away one or two teams above .500. How does that help drive team parity when shitty teams in the East will end up with worse draft picks simply by virtue of playing alongside terrible competition? It's a ridiculous clusterfuck right now.
 
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