2012 Republicans

[Craig234]

The 10th Amendment.

So, are you such a pothead it's in your forum name? Anyway, if you use just alittle common sense, the 10th amendment doesn't restrict the governmment providing healthcare. If it did, why is there Medicare?

 

[StageLeft]

Palin won't get nominated. Even most republicans know she is an idiot. She would have zero democratic votes, zero moderate, and not all of the repub.

 

[Anarchist420]

Hey Obama's people did say he was "ready to rule" on day one. They didn't say "ready to lead." Revolutionizing America through executive orders fits right in. I think you give us far too much credit though; if the economy is better Obama will likely be re-elected. Most Americans believe the president runs the country and is therefore responsible for everything that happens. Plus the main stream media will still be completely in the tank for The Anointed One.

If the economy is still bad then voters will likely look for an older white male with a lot of political savvy and experience. Personally I prefer Romney but I don't think Republican primary voters are up to nominating a Mormon. I suspect a senator will get the nod although none of them thrill me. Maybe Scott Brown - he won't have had time to do too many things to piss off voters. That's the lesson of Obama. If Patraeus runs on either ticket then he's got my vote. I don't know when I've seen a smarter person.

The economy will still be bad in 2012, and Romney has so much in common with Obama that he won't fix it either.

So, are you such a pothead it's in your forum name? Anyway, if you use just alittle common sense, the 10th amendment doesn't restrict the governmment providing healthcare. If it did, why is there Medicare?

Were the Southern states allowed to secede? No. What about the Patriot Act? That clearly violated the 4th Amendment. The Constitution is violated all the time.

 

[Sinsear]

LOL at yet another Ron Paul thread.

 

[yllus]

Not to mention that the whole health care thing is unconstitutional.

No provisions in the Constitution for government to take over the medical system. That is not the job the Constitution gives the federal government.

Common sense, and your federal court system, disagree with you. You yourself probably disagree as well - or are you for the repeal of Medicare?

Health reform: Unwise, not unconstitutional

Is the Obama-Reid health reform plan unconstitutional?

The answer to that should be obvious: the Reid-Obama plan may be unwise, unsound, and unaffordable ... but it is unquestionably constitutional.

The federal government already requires every American to purchase health insurance. That's what Medicare does. The difference now is that everyone will be required to buy a private plan to cover them up to age 65 in addition to the government-run plan they are compelled to buy to cover them after 65.

I don’t hear anyone in Congress suggesting that Medicare violates the Constitution. So how can the new plan be unconstitutional if the old plan is OK?

Since the challenges to Social Security were rejected by the Supreme Court in 1937, the courts have consistently held that the general welfare clause of the Constitution empowers Congress to create social welfare plans based on compulsory contribution. (Helvering v. Davis is the most relevant case.)

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DeMint's and Ensign's argument against the constitutionality of the Obama-Reid health reform rests upon the ancient theory of enumerated powers. Under this theory, Congress may do only what the Constitution specifically authorizes Congress to do. Since (for example) the Constitution does not mention a national bank, Congress may not charter banks.

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The Civil War finished off the theory for all practical political purposes. Since 1865, the doctrine of enumerated power has subsisted at the remote margins of American politics. Are Republicans proposing now to resurrect the constitutional theories of Roger Taney?

 

[Siddhartha]

There was an interesting SNL skit around '91ish. Which had famous democrats(impersonated--Phil Hartmann was Cuomo) at the time, it was called "Who's going to lose to George Bush in '92!" or something to that effect. Well, it seems that Dems figured why not sacrifice that guy from Little Rock and we'll regroup in '96. Well, that dude from Little Rock was underestimated, by everyone. Will it happen again? Only time will tell.

Didn't Mr Bush have trouble from the country not recovering from a recession quickly enough and Ross Perot to some extent split the vote?

 

[First]

Rand Paul will win KY, it's locked, so his political career is set in stone and all us Ron Paul nuts have a new leader to transfer the momentum. It's not going anywhere and we're only getting louder.

The Ron Paul Revolution is the only modern political movement to gain some stream that actually demonstrates what this country was intended to be, not the Democrats or Republicans mantra of "if I was going to build my own country, this is what it would look like."

This country was founded with a theme, a reason that it was set in stone with. Personal, economic liberty. Not a bunch of bias thugs playing with the social and economic knobs trying to create some personal utopia.

It's always funny watching Paulbots tell us the Dems and Repubs are the same and don't offer any solutions while claiming Rand and Ron Paul do, and even worse throwing Peter Schiff in there who hasn't gotten anything meaningful right his entire career.

 

[First]

The republicans have done away with any pretense of intellectualism. When Buckley died, the last of a generation of able conservatives left with him. Now we have Palins, a shadow of what might have been.

Buckley has literally attended lectures where he has spoken out against evolution in favor of a more creationist philosophy. Science lectures. He wasn't much of an intellectual.

 

[Anarchist420]

It's always funny watching Paulbots tell us the Dems and Repubs are the same and don't offer any solutions while claiming Rand and Ron Paul do, and even worse throwing Peter Schiff in there who hasn't gotten anything meaningful right his entire career.

What do you mean we don't offer any solutions? For the record, Romney, Palin, even Reagan are the same as Obama other than taxes. The establishment/fake Republicans still don't even have taxes exactly right.

Romney would cut Obama's taxes 30%. Big deal. He's an idiot and a fiscal liberal; he wanted to double the size of Guantanamo bay and waste money on new interrogation techniques. The monetary system is broken (practicing fractional reserve banking ought to be a jailable offense)-- the Fed is destroying our dollar, Japan hates us because we're wasting our own money occupying their land and we got attacked by our own government (either directly or indirectly) due to people like Romney and Obama.

Romney, like Obama is an establishment politician with wall street ties. Palin and Romney won't abolish the social welfare-warfare state, and that pretty much makes them the same as Obama.

 

[First]

What do you mean we don't offer any solutions? For the record, Romney, Palin, even Reagan are the same as Obama other than taxes. The establishment/fake Republicans still don't even have taxes exactly right.

Romney would cut Obama's taxes 30%. Big deal. He's an idiot and a fiscal liberal; he wanted to double the size of Guantanamo bay and waste money on new interrogation techniques. The monetary system is broken (practicing fractional reserve banking ought to be a jailable offense)-- the Fed is destroying our dollar, Japan hates us because we're wasting our own money occupying their land and we got attacked by our own government (either directly or indirectly) due to people like Romney and Obama.

Romney, like Obama is an establishment politician with wall street ties. Palin and Romney won't abolish the social welfare-warfare state, and that pretty much makes them the same as Obama.

Tell me again about the "weak" dollar and why despite billions/trillions of dollars pumped into the worldwide economy in just the last 18 months that we've seen slight deflation, that we've seen the dollar rally, and we've seen gold go nowhere again? Rand/Ron/Schiff even when they claimed recession (accurately) still got the whole thing wrong. That's more off the mark than any prominant Dem or Repub of the last 2-3 years. So while you keep listing all these faults of Romney/Palin/Obama/etc. you still ignore that your guys have been even further off the mark. And that's tough to do when you're throwing Sarah Palin into the mix.

 

[piasabird]

I would not be in favor of a running mate for Palin of anyone in congress. Maybe a Governor or someone else not part of the DC Insanity.

 

[jman19]

"Anarchist420" - lol nothing to see here.

 

[blackangst1]

Palin wont run. She just doesnt have the support of the GOP. I'd like to see Michael Steele run myself, but we'll see.

 

[Anarchist420]

Tell me again about the "weak" dollar and why despite billions/trillions of dollars pumped into the worldwide economy in just the last 18 months that we've seen slight deflation, that we've seen the dollar rally, and we've seen gold go nowhere again? Rand/Ron/Schiff even when they claimed recession (accurately) still got the whole thing wrong. That's more off the mark than any prominant Dem or Repub of the last 2-3 years. So while you keep listing all these faults of Romney/Palin/Obama/etc. you still ignore that your guys have been even further off the mark. And that's tough to do when you're throwing Sarah Palin into the mix.

The bad economy isn't over yet... the dollar is going to weaken if the Fed doesn't increase interest rates. And, they've weakened it enough over the past 96 or so years, and they serve no good purpose.

Dr. Paul would cut spending and get rid of the useless Fed, and that's mostly what matters. Romney won't do either, so why vote for him?

 

[MotF Bane]

LOL at yet another Ron Paul thread.

So you're happy with the status quo?

 

[Wreckem]

Rick Perry

Fuck no.

IF he wins the Texas GOP Gub. primary I am voting for Bill White(D), I voted Bell(D) in 2006. Hes been inept at governance his entire time as Governor. The majority of Texans despise him and dont want him, but he keeps winning because slack jowl yokels and staunch pro-lifers.

My hopes are if Perry wins the nomination. Medina goes Independent gets on the Nov. ballot. She should do just enough damage to Perry, that White will win.

 

[First]

The bad economy isn't over yet... the dollar is going to weaken if the Fed doesn't increase interest rates. And, they've weakened it enough over the past 96 or so years, and they serve no good purpose.

Dr. Paul would cut spending and get rid of the useless Fed, and that's mostly what matters. Romney won't do either, so why vote for him?

This is a funny post because you truly, honest believe all of it. The Fed's existence has overseen the greatest economic expansion and quality of life increase in U.S. history. It's hard to argue we need to abolish the Fed knowing that unquestioned reality.

And Ron Paul would neither cut spending or abolish the Fed. He couldn't get either done with two branches of gov't standing in his way. It's something Paulbots don't really consider but is vitally important nonetheless.

 

[HannibalX]

At this point you could run almost anyone against Obama and win.

 

[Craig234]

At this point you could run almost anyone against Obama and win.

No, you actually can't run anyone against Obama and win now. That's the beauty of his having 3 more years in office.

Presidents often do whats's less popular in the 'off years'. We'll see how the public feels about him versus the bad Repulbican opponent in 3 years. They have a shockingly empty bench at this point.

We'll see how the public feels as he shifts his policies for ones with more public support closer to to election. By that point it's likely we'll have greatly wound down the war activity, for one thing.

 

[Ozoned]

Fuck no.

IF he wins the Texas GOP Gub. primary I am voting for Bill White(D), I voted Bell(D) in 2006. Hes been inept at governance his entire time as Governor. The majority of Texans despise him and dont want him, but he keeps winning because slack jowl yokels and staunch pro-lifers.

My hopes are if Perry wins the nomination. Medina goes Independent gets on the Nov. ballot. She should do just enough damage to Perry, that White will win.

Rick is a really decent stand up guy. Not at all what you would expect by what you see in the press.

 

[Anarchist420]

This is a funny post because you truly, honest believe all of it. The Fed's existence has overseen the greatest economic expansion and quality of life increase in U.S. history. It's hard to argue we need to abolish the Fed knowing that unquestioned reality.

And Ron Paul would neither cut spending or abolish the Fed. He couldn't get either done with two branches of gov't standing in his way. It's something Paulbots don't really consider but is vitally important nonetheless.

Fractional reserve lending caused the Great Depression. Fractional reserve lending is responsible for the boom-bust cycles. Link:http://townhall.com/columnists/PatBuchanan/2009/12/11/ron_pauls_hour_of_power

During the Free-banking era, prices were stable, no inflation, and banks only failed if they were shady, because of state-regulations, or if they practiced fractional reserve lending.

 

[BoberFett]

wow..if we had to list everything that the government could/should do in the constitution that would be one hell of a long document.

And liberal intelligence reaches a new low...

 

[JMapleton]

It's always funny watching Paulbots tell us the Dems and Repubs are the same and don't offer any solutions while claiming Rand and Ron Paul do, and even worse throwing Peter Schiff in there who hasn't gotten anything meaningful right his entire career.

Always funny when people bash Paul but offer no evidence Paul does not offer something new.

Paul will eliminate the Federal Reserve, the CIA, the FBI, the IRS, and the Dept of Education.

Paul will eliminate the income tax, capital gains tax, and corporate taxes.

Paul will close nearly every US base on foreign soil.

Paul will abolish abortion, as it is an invasion of personal rights (no one has the right to take the life of another).

Now, explain to me how Paul is not offering something a little different.

 

[sandorski]

Fractional reserve lending caused the Great Depression. Fractional reserve lending is responsible for the boom-bust cycles. Link:http://townhall.com/columnists/PatBuchanan/2009/12/11/ron_pauls_hour_of_power

During the Free-banking era, prices were stable, no inflation, and banks only failed if they were shady, because of state-regulations, or if they practiced fractional reserve lending.

History Fail.

 

[MotF Bane]

wow..if we had to list everything that the government could/should do in the constitution that would be one hell of a long document.

No, it would be a very short document.