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2011 was the ninth warmest year on record

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shira

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http://climate.nasa.gov/news/index.cfm?FuseAction=ShowNews&NewsID=668

The global average surface temperature in 2011 was the ninth warmest since 1880, according to NASA scientists. The finding continues a trend in which nine of the 10 warmest years in the modern meteorological record have occurred since the year 2000.
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So much for the "cooling" nonsense right-wing fanatics have been chanting. And just to anticipate right-wingers who try to claim that if warming is occurring, every single year should be the warmest on record:

Because of the large natural variability of climate, scientists do not expect temperatures to rise consistently year after year. However, they do expect a continuing temperature rise over decades.
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And note that 2011 was the ninth warmest ever despite the fact that a strong La Nina and low solar activity acted to suppress temperatures:

"We know the planet is absorbing more energy than it is emitting," said GISS Director James E. Hansen. "So we are continuing to see a trend toward higher temperatures. Even with the cooling effects of a strong La Niña influence and low solar activity for the past several years, 2011 was one of the 10 warmest years on record."
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Higher temperatures today are largely sustained by increased atmospheric concentrations of greenhouse gases, especially carbon dioxide. These gases absorb infrared radiation emitted by Earth and release that energy into the atmosphere rather than allowing it to escape to space. As their atmospheric concentration has increased, the amount of energy "trapped" by these gases has led to higher temperatures.

The carbon dioxide level in the atmosphere was about 285 parts per million in 1880, when the GISS global temperature record begins. By 1960, the average concentration had risen to about 315 parts per million. Today it exceeds 390 parts per million and continues to rise at an accelerating pace.

The temperature analysis produced at GISS is compiled from weather data from more than 1,000 meteorological stations around the world, satellite observations of sea surface temperature and Antarctic research station measurements. A publicly available computer program is used to calculate the difference between surface temperature in a given month and the average temperature for the same place during 1951 to 1980. This three-decade period functions as a baseline for the analysis.

The resulting temperature record is very close to analyses by the Met Office Hadley Centre in the United Kingdom and the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration's National Climatic Data Center in Asheville, N.C.
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But the right knows better than climatologists. They "know" that the overall warming trend is "natural"," not caused by rising CO2 levels driven by mankind's burning of fossil fuels. They "know" that MMCC is bad science.

One of the right-wing trolls on this forum said just last week in the context of a different science discipline that it was laughable to claim to know more than scientists in that discipline. I wonder if that troll will appear in this tread and tell us - yet again - that climate scientists are wrong.
 
Do you realize that by being the 9th warmest year on record, that means it was COOLER than 8 other years, right?

If the world is warming up, it would not be COOLER than previous years, right?

The point is that there is a LOT involved in the planet's temperature changes, and simply saying "man did it" is silly.
 
cybrsage said:
Do you realize that by being the 9th warmest year on record, that means it was COOLER than 8 other years, right?

If the world is warming up, it would not be COOLER than previous years, right?

The point is that there is a LOT involved in the planet's temperature changes, and simply saying "man did it" is silly.
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You DO realize that temperature variations are not linear.

Average Temperatures on a year to year basis vary up and down, however when taken over a period of several decades, there is a clear upward trend.

Also, it when the comparison temperatures are all from the same decade, you know something is up.
 
NikolaeVarius said:
You DO realize that temperature variations are not linear.

Average Temperatures on a year to year basis vary up and down, however when taken over a period of several decades, there is a clear upward trend.

Also, it when the comparison temperatures are all from the same decade, you know something is up.
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And what of it? Why do you want a cooler earth?
 
NikolaeVarius said:
You DO realize that temperature variations are not linear.

Average Temperatures on a year to year basis vary up and down, however when taken over a period of several decades, there is a clear upward trend.

Also, it when the comparison temperatures are all from the same decade, you know something is up.
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Yes, I was using the OP's own argument against him, showing just how silly it is. I suspected someone would point it out, and you did. 🙂

If you look at the end of the chart, the trend has leveled off. It is no longer going upwards at the rate it once was.

All that said, the trend we see now is an ongoing even which started some 11,000-14,000 years ago, causing the glaciers which covered 1/4 of the planet to start receeding. What we see directly aligns with the recurring natural temperature cycle...the one which has existed for a few hundred thousand years, and which will continue for a few more hundreds of thousands of years.

EDIT: The temp will continue to increase slightly (if it follows the natural cycle) and then start to drop. Rather than destroy world economies on the mistaken view that man has overridden such a powerful natural force, let us simply wait another decade or two and see if the natural cycle starts dropping temps (like it will).
 
If 2012 continues the way it is temperture-wise then 2011 will end up being the 10th warmest year on record. Highs in CF have been at-or-above 80 the last week.

It is January ... right?
 
cybrsage said:
Yes, I was using the OP's own argument against him, showing just how silly it is. I suspected someone would point it out, and you did. 🙂

If you look at the end of the chart, the trend has leveled off. It is no longer going upwards at the rate it once was.

All that said, the trend we see now is an ongoing even which started some 11,000-14,000 years ago, causing the glaciers which covered 1/4 of the planet to start receeding. What we see directly aligns with the recurring natural temperature cycle...the one which has existed for a few hundred thousand years, and which will continue for a few more hundreds of thousands of years.

EDIT: The temp will continue to increase slightly (if it follows the natural cycle) and then start to drop. Rather than destroy world economies on the mistaken view that man has overridden such a powerful natural force, let us simply wait another decade or two and see if the natural cycle starts dropping temps (like it will).
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BS history history history 1300s-1700s Mini ice age . Greenland was called greenland for good reson . But that all changed faster than a speeding bullet . Proving science LIES
 
cybrsage said:
Do you realize that by being the 9th warmest year on record, that means it was COOLER than 8 other years, right?

If the world is warming up, it would not be COOLER than previous years, right?

The point is that there is a LOT involved in the planet's temperature changes, and simply saying "man did it" is silly.
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someone clearly didn't bother to read the post....

Because of the large natural variability of climate, scientists do not expect temperatures to rise consistently year after year. However, they do expect a continuing temperature rise over decades.
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🙄
 
Nemesis 1 said:
BS history history history 1300s-1700s Mini ice age . Greenland was called greenland for good reson . But that all changed faster than a speeding bullet . Proving science LIES
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What are you trying to say? Are you saying mankind caused the mini ice age? Are you saying there were not glaciers covering about 1/4 the planet around 11,000 years ago or such? Are you saying there are no naturally occuring cycles?

What is it you are trying to say?
 
Paul98 said:
someone clearly didn't bother to read the post....



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I did...but the implication was clear.


However, they do expect a continuing temperature rise over decades
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Of course they do, it would be silly to think the natural warming cycle stopped existing all of a sudden. It has been warming up over the last 11,000 years. The natural cycle is doing what it has always done.
 
Put aside the global warming caused by mankind or nature debate, anyone that denys mankind is "not" having an effect on the environment is stupid.

How do you dump millions of tons of pollution into the atmosphere, and not have some kind of effect.
 
Yes Texas man has an effect. We took ownership of the earth . A right we don't have. Those who have hurt the earth the most will suffer the most . LIKE USA. Texas will be hit hard I mean HARD.
I really don't understand how so many people have been bent bound and broken but it brings anguish and tears to my heart . I have emptied my heart of compassion for man. Now I await the judges verdict . There are NO men judges just liars.
Denile is a river unfitt to drink of.

Here is review of 2011. Your going to want 2011 back sooner than you could possiabilty imagine. As I said many times I am not worthy to judge . But I was allowed to make one judgement . I am not sorry to say I made that decision last night . Your all fucked I choose against man .

Have a nice last few months .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGjcvx2jD5o
 
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dud said:
If 2012 continues the way it is temperture-wise then 2011 will end up being the 10th warmest year on record. Highs in CF have been at-or-above 80 the last week.

It is January ... right?
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If you were seeing snow in October the warmers would say local weather has nothing to do with climate change. So why should it matter when it's the opposite?
 
cybrsage said:
Do you realize that by being the 9th warmest year on record, that means it was COOLER than 8 other years, right?

If the world is warming up, it would not be COOLER than previous years, right?

The point is that there is a LOT involved in the planet's temperature changes, and simply saying "man did it" is silly.
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Did you happen to read the bolded part of the OP?

Even with the cooling effects of a strong La Niña influence and low solar activity
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I don't think the debate is if the earth is getting warmer but if the cause is man or a natural cycle.
 
If yall want something to back up global warming charts, look at the migration patterns of birds.

Over the past few decades, birds have changed their migration patterns by about 2 weeks.
 
cybrsage said:
Do you realize that by being the 9th warmest year on record, that means it was COOLER than 8 other years, right?

If the world is warming up, it would not be COOLER than previous years, right?

The point is that there is a LOT involved in the planet's temperature changes, and simply saying "man did it" is silly.
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Cybrsage & Munky

What part of global warming do you disagree with?
From Ars:

http://arstechnica.com/#!/science/news/2012/01/missing-ocean-heat-explained.ars
We now have satellite networks that measure the incoming solar radiation and the outgoing infrared radiation, so we can track the changes in the planet's heat content pretty well. If the incoming solar radiation is greater than the outgoing infrared, energy was added to the system. If that energy goes into the atmosphere, we can track it using a vast network of weather stations (and satellites, as well) that enable calculations of global near-surface atmospheric temperature.
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Do you disagree we can measure the amount of energy into and out of the planet?

At least one thing remains clear in all the datasets—the Earth is steadily gaining energy. Between 2001 and 2010, the amount of energy reaching the Earth has exceeded the amount leaving by an average of about 0.5 watts per square meter.
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Do you disagree we are gaining more energy from the sun then we are losing?

Do you disagree that carbon dioxide traps more energy from the sun?

Do you disagree that burning fossil fuels releases carbon dioxide?

Do you disagree that the increase in PPM of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere effects retention of solar flux?
 
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