2011 was the ninth warmest year on record

[Munky]

Scientists know gravity well enough to launch a probe on a 267 million mile mission to a comet traveling 64,000 mph and to launch a projectile into the comet and capture data from the event.

Scientists know thermodynamics, radiative/convective/conductive heat transfer, and other processes well enough to model the climate while incorporating the million of data points. True processing power isn't advanced enough to develop a complete model but what they have is quite impressive and gets better every year.

You don't need to answer all the questions in the universe to make use of vetted scientific theories. Your attempts at deflection are growing tiresome.

So you just admitted that scientists don't really know gravity. And global warmers don't really know climate. The difference is, unlike the warmers, those studying gravity don't make demands for money and sweeping policy changes or else disaster will happen.

 

[CLite]

So you just admitted that scientists don't really know gravity. And global warmers don't really know climate. The difference is, unlike the warmers, those studying gravity don't make demands for money and sweeping policy changes or else disaster will happen.

alright, I know when I'm being trolled.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Why, because CNN says so? In the early Middle Ages, 99% of the scientists agreed that the Earth was flat and the Sun orbited the earth. And they were all wrong.

You simpliafied this . It was THE HRCC that put this out and if youwent against The HRCC death followed . The fact is . Read book of enoch . The oldest of all books says the earth is round goes on to talk about Neptune and its color something modern man just discovered LOL . So Blame it on FALSE religion and not men of science . I hate taking their side but your wrong about the statement you made

 

[DrPizza]

Cybrsage & Munky

1. Do you disagree we can measure the amount of energy into and out of the planet?

2. Do you disagree we are gaining more energy from the sun then we are losing?

3. Do you disagree that carbon dioxide traps more energy from the sun?

4. Do you disagree that burning fossil fuels releases carbon dioxide?

5. Do you disagree that the increase in PPM of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere effects retention of solar flux?

I haven't seen these 5 questions answered yet. I propose you stop deflecting (are you being paid to deflect??) and answer these. Please number your responses 1-5.

 

[Paul98]

Why, because CNN says so? In the early Middle Ages, 99% of the scientists agreed that the Earth was flat and the Sun orbited the earth. And they were all wrong.

People have known the earth wasn't flat since before science lol

 

[cybrsage]

I haven't seen these 5 questions answered yet. I propose you stop deflecting (are you being paid to deflect??) and answer these. Please number your responses 1-5.

Missed it. Lets give it a shot:


1. Do you disagree we can measure the amount of energy into and out of the planet? No.

2. Do you disagree we are gaining more energy from the sun then we are losing? Due to the location of the Earth in our solar system, yes.

3. Do you disagree that carbon dioxide traps more energy from the sun? No.

4. Do you disagree that burning fossil fuels releases carbon dioxide? No.

5. Do you disagree that the increase in PPM of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere effects retention of solar flux? No.

You missed a question:

6. Do you disagree that I am oversimplifying a very complex system to arrive at an improper conclusion? No.

 

[Nemesis 1]

quote=cybrsage;32909808] Are you saying there are no naturally occuring cycles?[/quote]

Why don't you think. I Know there are cycles , One of those cycles is a 3600year cycle Thats one of 2 present cycles. about 3600 years ago moses led his people out of eygpt . One of the things that is written about was a pillar of fire they ignorantly followed. Kinda like the 3 wise men story that has nothing to go with kings or men . The egpytians called this the destroyer THE jews called it God. Because they took advantage of the event . Just like they plan on taking advantage of it this time. Hoppy indians call it red star many cultures named it . ONLY the JEWS called it GOD . So what did all other cultures do to the Jews Back than . ANSWER not a dang thing. I believe In a GOD but I don't believe he chats with anyone . Yes he makes his will known . But not the way the jews say . Not even close. The Jewish Messiah has returned this time they will rename it because there sufferring will be the same as all others . This is the problem between Jews and all other cultures . They call the destroyer of worlds God. All other cultures were smarter than these worshippers of death.

 

[Paratus]

Missed it. Lets give it a shot:


1. Do you disagree we can measure the amount of energy into and out of the planet? No.

2. Do you disagree we are gaining more energy from the sun then we are losing? Due to the location of the Earth in our solar system, yes.

3. Do you disagree that carbon dioxide traps more energy from the sun? No.

4. Do you disagree that burning fossil fuels releases carbon dioxide? No.

5. Do you disagree that the increase in PPM of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere effects retention of solar flux? No.

You missed a question:

6. Do you disagree that I am oversimplifying a very complex system to arrive at an improper conclusion? No.

The bare bones theory is just that simple. The complex part is understanding how that extra energy is going change the Earths climate.

Our cities and farms have been set up with the current climate conditions in mind. As the climate changes it will be very expensive to adapt.

You can deny all you want but word of advice, I wouldn't invest in any insurance company that isn't actively taking climate change into account.

Just sayin.

 

[Jaskalas]

If 2012 continues the way it is temperture-wise then 2011 will end up being the 10th warmest year on record. Highs in CF have been at-or-above 80 the last week.

It is January ... right?

In reality, we are currently the coldest we've been all decade. Regional warm weather means nothing. You want to speak weather, go to Alaska with its extreme cold / snow breaching all time records.

 

[Jaskalas]

2011 was the ninth warmest year on record

Selling us propaganda, or are you trying to dump your carbon credits?

 

[dmcowen674]

2011 was the ninth warmest year on record

All that Republican Global Cooling

 

[Paratus]

Selling us propaganda, or are you trying to dump your carbon credits?

Well this was a La Nina year which promotes cooling.

Of course it's the hottest La Nina year on record............

But don't let facts get in your way.

 

[yllus]

I think a big reason threads like this are quickly dismissed is because skeptics are routinely told (usually derisively) that a short season of weather is not proof that global warming is not occurring.

Despite the eyebrow raising conclusion in the original post, this thread mentions that 2008 had the coolest winter in years. If that wasn't evidence of anything, why should what's posted in this thread be?

I'm a climate change "believer", but I can see why threads like this aren't taken very well by those who have political reflexes to oppose this opinion.

 

[JockoJohnson]

lol nemesis and cybersage =

LMAO, now that was funny.

Back on topic, I will enjoy the warmth and hopefully won't have to shovel as much snow and my gas bills will be lower. But now during the summer, I will have to hire a bunch of illegals to run on my giant hamster wheel to power the air-conditioning.

 

[JockoJohnson]

All that Republican Global Cooling

Silly, it's all the hot air coming out of Washington. If we could just carve that piece of land out and set it out to space, we would be in a period of global cooling.

 

[shira]

Do you realize that by being the 9th warmest year on record, that means it was COOLER than 8 other years, right?

If the world is warming up, it would not be COOLER than previous years, right?

The point is that there is a LOT involved in the planet's temperature changes, and simply saying "man did it" is silly.

So, you're saying that you know more than the overwhelming majority of climatologists? Yes or no? Just want this for the record so we can laugh at you.

 

[child of wonder]

I'll be sure to forward this on to my ultra-conservative cousin who will dismiss it because he remembers more winters that were colder than usual vs. hotter than usual.

 

[IceBergSLiM]

So, you're saying that you know more than the overwhelming majority of climatologists? Yes or no? Just want this for the record so we can laugh at you.

this fits:

The materialist fundamentalists are funnier than the Christian fundamentalists, because they think they're rational! ...They're never skeptical about anything except the things they have a prejudice against. None of them ever says anything skeptical about the AMA, or about anything in establishment science or any entrenched dogma. They're only skeptical about new ideas that frighten them. They're actually dogmatically committed to what they were taught when they were in college.

 

[Munky]

People have known the earth wasn't flat since before science lol

People have ways of measuring temperature going back thousands of years, and we know that the Earth used to be warmer well before the industrial revolution. The climate has been undergoing change for as long as the Earth has existed. The OP's claim is an outright lie, and his record conveniently starts in the 1800's to hide the fact that the climate has been changing long before that.

 

[Paul98]

People have ways of measuring temperature going back thousands of years, and we know that the Earth used to be warmer well before the industrial revolution. The climate has been undergoing change for as long as the Earth has existed. The OP's claim is an outright lie, and his record conveniently starts in the 1800's to hide the fact that the climate has been changing long before that.

No one is hiding this, of course the climate has been changing since well before that, it always changes. No one disputes that all you are doing is trying to debate something that no one believes.

 

[actuarial]

The bare bones theory is just that simple. The complex part is understanding how that extra energy is going change the Earths climate.

Our cities and farms have been set up with the current climate conditions in mind. As the climate changes it will be very expensive to adapt.

You can deny all you want but word of advice, I wouldn't invest in any insurance company that isn't actively taking climate change into account.

Just sayin.

This is the point I like to talk about with global warming.

Exactly how much of global warming are we specifically causing? How expensive would it be to reverse this process? If we do everything possible to reduce our impact on global warming, how long are we buying until we have to adapt anyways due to natural cycles?

Essentially, are we freaking out about the fact that we're adding a cup of sand to the beach?

And the biggest question I've always wondered about: how are we going to cope with an ice age? Is humanity better served with a hotter earth, overall? Can we withstand additional temperatures at the top of the cycle better than lower temperatures at the bottom?

Look, I don't wanna shit where I eat, but if my options are shitting where I eat in a mansion eating steak or having a separate bathroom in a shack eating spam, I'm gonna shit where I eat.

 

[Darwin333]

Why, because CNN says so? In the early Middle Ages, 99% of the scientists agreed that the Earth was flat and the Sun orbited the earth. And they were all wrong.

This isn't the middle ages and we have better tools and education.

Are you claiming that you are right and 97% of the scientists are wrong?

 

[PingSpike]

2011 was the ninth warmest year on record

Finally some good news. With a little work we can make 2012 number one!

 

[Munky]

This isn't the middle ages and we have better tools and education.

Are you claiming that you are right and 97% of the scientists are wrong?

Are you claiming that those 97% of scientists have developed a theory backed by empirical data which proves that humans are causing disastrous climate change? Until that happens, whatever they "believe" doesn't mean much.

 

[chucky2]

Finally some good news. With a little work we can make 2012 number one!

Heck yeah! Enjoying the warm for a Chicago january weather...