2011 Lost year for America Middle Class

[dmcowen674]

2011 Lost year for America Middle Class

No surprise that's for sure except of course of you are a rich Republican ATPNer.

Speaking of rich Republican ATPNers, this was the most successful year for them obviously at the expense of the Country.

This is their goal and able to achieve it despite having a Democrat President.

They stopped every move him and his Administration tried to make resulting in the middle class losing more and more ground.

Meanwhile the CEO's and Executive management grows their pockets by levels never seen before.

There is a fledgling movement afoot however. I'm not sure who is bank rolling it but the Occupy movement is a step in the right direction towards attacking the America haters and bleeding the country dry.

Whether enough or successful remains to be seen especially once warmer weather comes back. The movement is pretty much closed down when it is cold due to the Authoritarian Government shutting down protests with the smallest excuses they can make such as saying closing the protests due to cold weather is for the Protestors safety, yeah right.

12-24-2011

http://www.theatlantic.com/business...-review-for-the-american-middle-class/250421/

The Year in Review for the American Middle Class


The biggest news in employment, education and foreign developments add up to a lost year for the middle

Jobs: Economists generally agree that the single most effective way to revive the American middle class is to create more high-paying, stable private sector jobs.

Deadlock in Washington blocked both Obama's $447 billion jobs plan and Republican job creation proposals.

Fiscal order: Deadlock to seriously address the $1.7 trillion federal deficit resulted in the first ever downgrade of United States credit rating.

Housing: Home values are at an eight-year low and more than 10 million American families are underwater, or owe more than their homes are worth.

Like so many other issues, legislation that might help is frozen in a deadlocked Congress.

Higher Education: Technological advances have created a global economy where members of the American middle class must adapt or fall behind. Low-skilled manufacturing jobs have left the United States and will never return.

Health care: A September survey found that health insurance companies raised the average annual premiums for family coverage by 9 percent in 2011, the highest increase in nearly a decade.

The average annual cost of a family insurance premium was $15,073 in 2011, roughly twice the amount it was in 2001, burdening middle-class earners

 

[XZeroII]

Your rant has nothing to do with the article you posted. Also, I'm not a "rich Republican ATPNer" but it is definitely highly offensive the way you insinuate that the only way that anyone could have had a good year was if they climbed on the backs of people less fortunate. I worked DAMN hard for my money this year and had a pretty good year. I didn't step on anyone else's toes and didn't climb over anyone else to get there. I put in my time. I'm no where near rich but I'm very happy with where I am.

The rules of this forum are that you aren't supposed to call people out and you didn't call out anyone in particular here, but I'm VERY offended by this post. Not only that, but like I said at the beginning of my post, your rant has NOTHING to do with the article you posted.

I'm done. Happy Holidays.

 

[bfdd]

then take up arms and do something about it. i mean you want change right? what has bitching got you in 11 years dave? nothing, except people on these forums not taking you seriously and constantly making fun of you.

 

[dmcowen674]

it is definitely highly offensive the way you insinuate that the only way that anyone could have had a good year was if they climbed on the backs of people less fortunate.

I worked DAMN hard for my money this year and had a pretty good year.

I didn't step on anyone else's toes and didn't climb over anyone else to get there. I put in my time. I'm no where near rich but I'm very happy with where I am.

Explain what you did different from the rest of middle class Americans that are getting kicked down.

Did you get a raise?

Did your health benefits not go up?

Did prices of just about everything not go up for you?

How did you accomplish all that?

 

[dmcowen674]

then take up arms and do something about it. i mean you want change right? what has bitching got you in 11 years dave? nothing, except people on these forums not taking you seriously and constantly making fun of you.

While I still have a job I can not join the ranks and file of the Occupy movement.

You can bet I would be there if otherwise.

I am doing my part pissing you rich Republicans online as much as possible.

 

[IGBT]

if you want change get rid of the obama and his trickle down poverty program. Otherwise get used to it. You deserve it.

 

[dmcowen674]

if you want change get rid of the obama and his trickle down poverty program. Otherwise get used to it. You deserve it.

Trickle down anything does not work, your ilk have proved that.

 

[Darwin333]

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This is their goal and able to achieve it despite having a Democrat President.

They stopped every move him and his Administration tried to make resulting in the middle class losing more and more ground.

They didn't stop his every move they bought him off. There is quite a difference.

 

[Darwin333]

While I still have a job I can not join the ranks and file of the Occupy movement.

You can bet I would be there if otherwise.

I am doing my part pissing you rich Republicans online as much as possible.

Why would they be mad when your own link shows that they are winning and we aren't talking about small winning it is bigtime winning.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

McOwned wall of drivel

Rage on McOwned, rage on............even though most in here find your rants to be hilarious.

 

[bfdd]

While I still have a job I can not join the ranks and file of the Occupy movement.

You can bet I would be there if otherwise.

I am doing my part pissing you rich Republicans online as much as possible.

oh so your comfortable job is more important to you than the fucked up economy and corrupt politics? then shut the fuck up and stop bitching about it. i mean if you're not going to get off your ass and go lop some fucking heads, then shut the fuck up.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Explain what you did different from the rest of middle class Americans that are getting kicked down.

Did you get a raise? Increase of $500/week compared to Dec 2011

Did your health benefits not go up? Same rate, no change in coverage

Did prices of just about everything not go up for you? Food and utilities up. Fuel same. TDY up $250

How did you accomplish all that?

Working harder and improving skillset instead of complaining about bad luck

 

[Doppel]

Mcowned's problem is that although he realizes there is something wrong with the US his coping mechanism forces him to blame everything on it. The reason is a combination of weak self-esteem and mediocre intellect. And so instead of bettering himself or taking any responsibility whatsoever for anything, it's always somebody else's fault.

 

[pcgeek11]

Speaking of someones life really sucking... Mine is pretty damn good. just got a 550$ performance bonus plus another 4500$ goal sharing bonus coming at the first of the year.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

2011 Lost year for America Middle Class

No surprise that's for sure except of course of you are a rich Republican ATPNer.

Speaking of rich Republican ATPNers, this was the most successful year for them obviously at the expense of the Country.

...

The Year in Review for the American Middle Class


The biggest news in employment, education and foreign developments add up to a lost year for the middle

Jobs: Economists generally agree that the single most effective way to revive the American middle class is to create more high-paying, stable private sector jobs.

Deadlock in Washington blocked both Obama's $447 billion jobs plan and Republican job creation proposals.

Fiscal order: Deadlock to seriously address the $1.7 trillion federal deficit resulted in the first ever downgrade of United States credit rating.

Housing: Home values are at an eight-year low and more than 10 million American families are underwater, or owe more than their homes are worth.

Like so many other issues, legislation that might help is frozen in a deadlocked Congress.

Higher Education: Technological advances have created a global economy where members of the American middle class must adapt or fall behind. Low-skilled manufacturing jobs have left the United States and will never return.

Health care: A September survey found that health insurance companies raised the average annual premiums for family coverage by 9 percent in 2011, the highest increase in nearly a decade.

The average annual cost of a family insurance premium was $15,073 in 2011, roughly twice the amount it was in 2001, burdening middle-class earners

Jobs: The market I'm in has been hiring for quite a few years. Sure, overpaid positions may not be as plentiful as they once were but seriously people - just because you have a piece of paper doesn't mean you are entitled to a comfy life - you have to work hard and always look to expand and grow yourself.

Fiscal: A bloated gov't is in serious need of cutting. We don't want or need a cradle to grave gov't.

Housing: If you bought right and within your means - you are likely not in trouble here. Sure some got caught but with the way people run their finances I have little sympathy for those extremely upsidedown in their houses.

Higher education: Most overpriced "investment" that everyone thinks they need and thus the prices have done nothing but go up. It seems that no one wants to work hard after school and just expects to be given $ and jobs.

Healthcare: We have the best in the world here. INSURANCE is a different story but seriously it's not as bad as some think. It needs to be unhitched from employment but having the gov't controlling MORE of the INSURANCE market is by far the worst thing that we could do to try to "fix" it.

<- middle class, hard working, ever improving, etc. Things don't "happen to me" - it's by design and I try to set myself up so no matter what situation arises I can take care of myself and family first. Maybe more should do the same instead of just whining and looking for mama gov't for a teet to suckle.

...posting in yet another whining dave thread...

 

[Zebo]

All I know are small business owners not big wigs on wall street and they are sucking wind. One friend owns 11 women's clothing stores and can't pay his bills. Another an auto body shop and is having trouble. etc etc etc, Even "rich republicans" are hurting. Its just a fact that comes with the debt/credit bubble being over and subsequent demand is lower.

I shouldn't have to tell you how residential/commercial RE contractors/builders are doing but it cuts a lot deeper than that.

I miss the good ole days with 10 grand cash on the hood of a car playing poker every Friday night at my buddies shop. Now it's more like $600 pot. lol.

 

[Anarchist420]

Your rant has nothing to do with the article you posted. Also, I'm not a "rich Republican ATPNer" but it is definitely highly offensive the way you insinuate that the only way that anyone could have had a good year was if they climbed on the backs of people less fortunate. I worked DAMN hard for my money this year and had a pretty good year. I didn't step on anyone else's toes and didn't climb over anyone else to get there. I put in my time. I'm no where near rich but I'm very happy with where I am.

The rules of this forum are that you aren't supposed to call people out and you didn't call out anyone in particular here, but I'm VERY offended by this post. Not only that, but like I said at the beginning of my post, your rant has NOTHING to do with the article you posted.

I'm done. Happy Holidays.

QFT.

I should add that the wealthiest of the wealthy are Democrats.

 

[child of wonder]

I'm no rich Republican but my income went up 17.3&#37; in 2011. I expect it to go up another 10% or more in 2012.

Not that I'm saying shit doesn't suck right now, but opportunity for growth is still out there.

 

[davmat787]

*sigh*

Dave, you have accused me of being a rich republican several times, even though I am nothing of the sort. Let me tell you something, it can always be worse. I worked my ass off for over 10 years at Microsoft, not too mention all of the work and previous jobs it took to get there. But guess what? After dealing with chronic pain and migraines in my neck since an injury when I was 17, I couldn't work any longer and had to go on disability. My disease is extremely rare, and only recently, over 20 years after the injury, do I have a diagnosis. And guess what? There is no fucking cure and I will continue to deteriorate! All the pain of cancer yet it doesn't have the fucking grace to be terminal.

I am sick and tired of you always blaming everything on so call rich republicans when I am very confident nothing of the sort is holding you back personally. Be glad you have your health to work and control your destiny at least, and that your lifestyle and the country you live in is one where billions of people would likely trade with you any day.

Until you look within and quit blaming everything on others, your situation will only worsen. Great time of the year to make a new years resolution. I hate getting personal like this but maybe this will get through to you that it can always be worse.

 

[Ozoned]

2011 Lost year for America Middle Class

You do remember Obama's infomercial, don't you? He promised (you) he was going to take care of you.... What are you trying to say here????

 

[Ozoned]

Oh,,,& merry Christmas.

 

[Spikesoldier]

only when you drop the partisan shades can you truly grasp the issues plaguing this country.

may you have the gift of vision in a world blinded by partisan politics this year.

merry christmas.

 

[davmat787]

only when you drop the partisan shades can you truly grasp the issues plaguing this country.

may you have the gift of vision in a world blinded by partisan politics this year.

merry christmas.

So true, so true. Checking your brain at the door and blindly following your parties priesthood is one of my greatest concerns with our country. Maybe it is a symptom of our culture turning into a blame centric one, but why anyone can think that only one party or ideology has a monopoly on all the right ideas and solutions is beyond me.

I swear some of the hard core partisans have now become members of a religion, they just don't realize it.

 

[dmcowen674]

*sigh*

Dave, you have accused me of being a rich republican several times, even though I am nothing of the sort. Let me tell you something, it can always be worse. I worked my ass off for over 10 years at Microsoft, not too mention all of the work and previous jobs it took to get there. But guess what? After dealing with chronic pain and migraines in my neck since an injury when I was 17, I couldn't work any longer and had to go on disability. My disease is extremely rare, and only recently, over 20 years after the injury, do I have a diagnosis. And guess what? There is no fucking cure and I will continue to deteriorate! All the pain of cancer yet it doesn't have the fucking grace to be terminal.

I am sick and tired of you always blaming everything on so call rich republicans when I am very confident nothing of the sort is holding you back personally. Be glad you have your health to work and control your destiny at least, and that your lifestyle and the country you live in is one where billions of people would likely trade with you any day.

Until you look within and quit blaming everything on others, your situation will only worsen. Great time of the year to make a new years resolution. I hate getting personal like this but maybe this will get through to you that it can always be worse.

Sorry about your neck. That does suck no doubt.

I respond to what people post. You must not post like a Democrat.

You are right, there is nothing hold me back personally other than being too nice and my New Years Resolution is for that to change.

Hopefully I am successful and become the Meanest Rotten Bastard the U.S. or the world has ever seen. Time will tell.

 

[Jhhnn]

only when you drop the partisan shades can you truly grasp the issues plaguing this country.

may you have the gift of vision in a world blinded by partisan politics this year.

merry christmas.

I think you're right, to a point, and so is Dave, although he puts it poorly. At best, the aggregate fortunes of the middle class have merely been sustained at a lower level than in the past.

While some of us may have done well over the last year, those who have were bucking the trend of a slow decline in middle class fortunes. Our problems are systemic, structural.

Systemic problems are clearly the result of poor policy decisions, and those are the kind of thing that often take decades to unfold. Policy has direction and origins, so if we pursue more of the same, we'll get more of the same.

We also need to recognize that policy creates winners & losers- always has, always will. It creates the economic environment we all function in. Applying game theory, we can have a system with a lot of small winners, or a system with a lot fewer really big winners. As play progresses, the latter system inevitably creates fewer & fewer winners by its very nature.

While the latter functions fine for a Lottery or a bingo pull tab game, the games of Risk & Monopoly, it's really no way to run an economy, for obvious reasons. We don't want to create a game that has an end, or one that disenfranchises more & more players over time, but rather one that plays continuously. In order to do that, we must not only limit how badly players can lose, but how spectacularly they can win, too. We have to keep everybody in the game, something we're not doing well atm.