2011 GT-R gets more powwwaaaa

[EightySix Four]

The new GT-R now makes 530 hp at 6,400 RPM and peak torque of 450 lb-ft from 3,200-6,000 RPM. They've also attempted to preempt any jokes by mentioning there's an upgrade to the transmission programming as well.

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Pretty awesome. More power and new transmission programming. Should be a beast. The new edition called "the egoist" has a new handmade leather interior which looks pretty attractive as well.

 

[Howard]

They can obviously get so much more power out of that engine... is the transmission holding them up?

 

[Elfear]

Do you think Nissan just made the official power numbers closer to actual? Seems like there was a lot of speculation when the GT-R first came out that Nissan was being super-pessimistic about horsepower levels. I seem to remember some dyno runs that attested to that.

 

[Zap]

I like one of the comments:

07:20 with top test driver at the helm.

More like 20:07 with me in control.

I resemble that remark.

Outside of the fast/furious crowd, I'd imagine a Porsche to be more of a chick magnate even if it were slower.

 

[EightySix Four]

Do you think Nissan just made the official power numbers closer to actual? Seems like there was a lot of speculation when the GT-R first came out that Nissan was being super-pessimistic about horsepower levels. I seem to remember some dyno runs that attested to that.

No, the problem with the dyno numbers is people expected a 20+ percent loss from the all wheel drive, and it was nowhere near that. Nissan won't come out with exact losses, but it's pretty impressive for an AWD car.

http://www.motorauthority.com/blog/...irm-nissan-gt-r-drivetrain-loss-power-ratings

 

[exar333]

No, the problem with the dyno numbers is people expected a 20+ percent loss from the all wheel drive, and it was nowhere near that. Nissan won't come out with exact losses, but it's pretty impressive for an AWD car.

http://www.motorauthority.com/blog/...irm-nissan-gt-r-drivetrain-loss-power-ratings

Plus, with the hand-built nature of the engine/transmission the power levels did vary from car to car. That said, that is somewhat of a double-edge sword and makes a transmission replacement a real bear...(read: $$$)

 

[EightySix Four]

Plus, with the hand-built nature of the engine/transmission the power levels did vary from car to car. That said, that is somewhat of a double-edge sword and makes a transmission replacement a real bear...(read: $$$)

I never bought this argument in the least bit. Corvette motors are hand built too and don't see supposed variations.

 

[Vic Vega]

I never bought this argument in the least bit. Corvette motors are hand built too and don't see supposed variations.

Every engine varies to some degree, hand build or line built.

For Nissan's purposes, it's just a marketing gimmick, they're trying to sell the buyer that the tolerances of these cars are so tight, each one performs slightly different depending on the combination of parts. It's a load of crap. The same is true of lawn mowers.

 

[Howard]

Every engine varies to some degree, hand build or line built.

For Nissan's purposes, it's just a marketing gimmick, they're trying to sell the buyer that the tolerances of these cars are so tight, each one performs slightly different depending on the combination of parts. It's a load of crap. The same is true of lawn mowers.

Lawn mowers are a load of crap? Do you live in an apartment?

 

[punjabiplaya]

Every engine varies to some degree, hand build or line built.

For Nissan's purposes, it's just a marketing gimmick, they're trying to sell the buyer that the tolerances of these cars are so tight, each one performs slightly different depending on the combination of parts. It's a load of crap. The same is true of lawn mowers.

the tighter the tolerances, the closer everything would perform

 

[ayabe]

Did they state the new 0-60? I think the newest 911 Turbo S with the PDK can rip off sub 3 second dashes all day long.

 

[videogames101]

Did they state the new 0-60? I think the newest 911 Turbo S with the PDK can rip off sub 3 second dashes all day long.

Which is also twice the price =D

 

[alkalinetaupehat]

Which is also twice the price =D

And likely will let you actually attain those times...haha

Also, anyone else notice that it was transmission programming that was updated and not the physical transmission itself? I'm starting to feel old all of a sudden.

 

[JeffreyLebowski]

And stock for stock it still can't beat an equally priced Vette.

 

[overst33r]

And stock for stock it still can't beat an equally priced Vette.

Sure it can. Here it beats a Z06 around the track while trapping 13mph less in the 1/4 mile.

Buttonwillow Raceway, 2.7 miles
1:55.7 Viper SRT10 ACR
1:59.7 911 GT2
2:01.1 GT-R
2:01.7 Corvette Z06

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews..._nissan_gt-r_porsche_911_gt2-comparison_tests

and in this test it just puts the Z06 to shame.

http://www.roadandtrack.com/tests/comparison/the-ultimate-track-test

I would say the Z06 could hang with the GTR around the track if it had proper tires.

Magazine racing is fun!

 

[PlasmaBomb]

Do you think Nissan just made the official power numbers closer to actual? Seems like there was a lot of speculation when the GT-R first came out that Nissan was being super-pessimistic about horsepower levels. I seem to remember some dyno runs that attested to that.

490 AWHP & 446, AWTQ Mustang Dyno, Stock GT-R

426 AWHP & 417, AWTQ DynoJet, Stock GT-R

Maybe they just tightened up the variation...

 

[EightySix Four]

490 AWHP & 446, AWTQ Mustang Dyno, Stock GT-R

426 AWHP & 417, AWTQ DynoJet, Stock GT-R

Maybe they just tightened up the variation...

Or maybe those dyno numbers are useless. Two different types of dynos under two different conditions with any number of factors completely screwing up the numbers. Dynos are not good at these things.

 

[exdeath]

Are we seriously comparing tenths of a second on a 2 minute lap time in justifying one car being $20k more than another and being driven by computers? Only on teh internet forums.

I think a human driving a car manually at 2:01.7 is more impressive than an auto pilot system that pulls a 2:01.1

 

[EightySix Four]

Are we seriously comparing tenths of a second on a 2 minute lap time in justifying one car being $20k more than another? Only on teh internet forums.

And only did a few tenths on that track, but it is 29 seconds faster on the Nurburgring. It's going to be comparable on some track and not so much on others. Also, the GT-R is $10k more expensive (Corvette Z06 starts at $75k), and for some people the exclusivity alone would be enough to justify that cost.

I'm a 'vette fanboy by most definitions, but if I had the cash, I would choose a GT-R over a Z06 (if both are new) right now. I see way too many Z06's around here and has similar or better performance in all situations.

To each their own.

I think a human driving a car manually at 2:01.7 is more impressive than an auto pilot system that pulls a 2:01.1

Have you driven a GT-R? I know everyone on AT:G has this hard on for driving experience and manual transmissions (which, my current car has) but until you drive one you can't say shit about it.

 

[Arkaign]

And only did a few tenths on that track, but it is 29 seconds faster on the Nurburgring. It's going to be comparable on some track and not so much on others. Also, the GT-R is $10k more expensive (Corvette Z06 starts at $75k), and for some people the exclusivity alone would be enough to justify that cost.

I'm a 'vette fanboy by most definitions, but if I had the cash, I would choose a GT-R over a Z06 (if both are new) right now. I see way too many Z06's around here and has similar or better performance in all situations.

To each their own.

One place the Z06 still has a handy lead in is rolling starts, particularly speeds like 40-120. That is obviously not really applicable to curves, where the exit speed of the GT-R is impossibly awesome.

I'd be torn choosing between the two, but after looking at maintenance costs, I would consider myself too poor to own a GT-R.

 

[EightySix Four]

One place the Z06 still has a handy lead in is rolling starts, particularly speeds like 40-120. That is obviously not really applicable to curves, where the exit speed of the GT-R is impossibly awesome.

I'd be torn choosing between the two, but after looking at maintenance costs, I would consider myself too poor to own a GT-R.

With the increase in HP, the rolling starts may swing a bit more towards the GT-R. The GT-R now puts more horses down than the Corvette does (at the crank).

 

[KentState]

And only did a few tenths on that track, but it is 29 seconds faster on the Nurburgring. It's going to be comparable on some track and not so much on others. Also, the GT-R is $10k more expensive (Corvette Z06 starts at $75k), and for some people the exclusivity alone would be enough to justify that cost.

I'm a 'vette fanboy by most definitions, but if I had the cash, I would choose a GT-R over a Z06 (if both are new) right now. I see way too many Z06's around here and has similar or better performance in all situations.

To each their own.



Have you driven a GT-R? I know everyone on AT:G has this hard on for driving experience and manual transmissions (which, my current car has) but until you drive one you can't say shit about it.

I'm right with and especially after seeing the egoist interior pictures. The Vette at this point is 7 years old and starting to show it's age. Yes, I own a 2010 and love it, but if I had the coin for a 80-90k car and upkeep it would be a GT-R. Though, a Z06 can be had in the high 60s and the maintenance is cheap in comparison.

 

[overst33r]

Are we seriously comparing tenths of a second on a 2 minute lap time in justifying one car being $20k more than another and being driven by computers? Only on teh internet forums.

I think a human driving a car manually at 2:01.7 is more impressive than an auto pilot system that pulls a 2:01.1

You mention the comparison where the GTR was clearly underpowered, yet STILL manages to post a faster lap time, but fail to mention the other comparison where the Corvette gets clobbered. Not by tenths either.

Consider both, and you will see why I used the first comparison.

 

[LikeLinus]

It's funny watching you guys argue about cars you could never afford or even properly drive. Pretty stupid if you ask me. I'd take a Vette or a GT-R any day. I'm not going to bitch that it's a couple of tenths faster or slower on a freaking track I'll never drive. Either car would demolish most cars on the street. You know, the place you're actually going to be driving it?!??!

 

[EightySix Four]

It's funny watching you guys argue about cars you could never afford or even properly drive.

Speak for yourself. A few of us can afford nice cars, and a few of us really can drive. We may not be setting any Nurburgring lap records, but track days are a great hobby.

Even those of us who can't do either enjoy arguing about cars. It's our passion. Other people argue who is a better NBA 3 point shooter or NFL quarterback, we like to argue about cars. Sometimes we get a consensus, most often we don't. It's still fun