2009 NBA Finals

[Phokus]

Originally posted by: NYHoustonman

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: NYHoustonman
Infuriating game to watch if you're a Lakers fan, between the cheap shots (Kobe trip in particular), bad calls, and the downright refusal to grab loose balls. Dahnte Jones drove twice in the last two minutes, when the game was over - would it have been too much to ask for Mbenga to put him on his ass?
Overall, LA's probably lucky they didn't lose by 30+.

The officiating in the playoffs overall has been absolutely horrific - they've bounced between missing clear violations and calling every little thing. It's pretty unbelievable, and it's a shame that the refs are so sheltered at this point... Frankly, if I made as many mistakes as some of these guys are making, I would be worried about job security.

Anyone complaining about the Lakers being the recipient of cheap shots and bad calls = :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

To be honest I'm not really sure what you're referencing, but there hasn't been much of a back-and-forth in this series, and in the previous series it's gone both ways. Within the scope of this game, it was just one more thing that bothered me. It's all the more annoying when the refs somehow miss the call.

Uh did you see Kobe kneeing and elbowing shane battier? And also elbowing ron artest? The guy is a cheap shot artist and a scumbag. And Kobe is the beneficiary of calls all the time.

 

[Miramonti]

Originally posted by: Flipped Gazelle

Originally posted by: RiDE

Originally posted by: Flipped Gazelle
There's a couple of Laker fans that post in this thread who incessantly whine about the Lakers not "getting the calls". As a group, Lakers fans are the whiniest bunch I know.

Oh the irony... lol. Since you seem to be the most active poster in this thread I'm pretty sure you've noticed that the fans against the Lakers are just as whiny. Bottom line is, sports fans are all a bunch of little bitches when it doesn't go their way.

Ah, you must be referring to the "Kobe-haters".

Seriously, though, in the 25+ yrs I've been following team sports, Lakers fans have consistently been the whiniest. I'm talking about in the real world, too, not just online.

Believe it or not, there are bunches of sports fans who have learned not to whine when things seem to break against their teams. That said, any Sacramento Kings fan who whines about the Kings getting screwed in 2002 against the Lakers have my sympathy. That was a true sham.

A few years ago there was a string of officiating gaffes in the NFL that was so bad that I didn't watch football for a month. Oddly enough, my team was positively affected by the poor officiating.

I find the overall quality of officiating in the NBA pretty poor. I think most posters here agree. Kobe and LBJ get obvious preferential treatment, although Kobe gets less now because his midrange jumper is so good he doesn't drive as often. Other "stars" like Paul Pierce and Brandon Roy drive to the hoop but do not get the calls Kobe and LBJ do.

Too many fouls are called on the defense when the offensive player initiates contact. This is ridiculous. Both offense and defense should have the right to any portion of the court. All the foul calls ruin the flow of the game. And the inconsistency of the calls baffles the players, coaches and fans.

I'd have to disagree on Pierce...he can take over late in the game on free throws alone.

He probably earns them a little more tho - he drives right into players and has a great ability to get good shots off with his off-arm while leaning against someone. Roy simply hasn't been around long enough to get more benefit of the doubt with refs, even tho when he has been around longer he won't likely get LJ or Kobe treatment.

No one got calls like MJ did, but at the same time no one [I've seen play] intimidated others on the court like he did too, including the refs.

 

[CPA]

The Nugs had more FTAs than any other team in the league this year. It's not a surprise, and definitely not some sort of refereeing conspiracy, that they got to the line often last night.

 

[Flipped Gazelle]

Originally posted by: jjsole
I'd have to disagree on Pierce...he can take over late in the game on free throws alone.

He probably earns them a little more tho - he drives right into players and has a great ability to get good shots off with his off-arm while leaning against someone. Roy simply hasn't been around long enough to get more benefit of the doubt with refs, even tho when he has been around longer he won't likely get LJ or Kobe treatment.

No one got calls like MJ did, but at the same time no one [I've seen play] intimidated others on the court like he did too, including the refs.

As you say, Pierce has to "earn" the calls more than LBJ and Kobe. In the playoffs, he frequently got hit while driving to the hoop - including one blow that met the NBA's criteria for a flagrant - yet didn't get the foul calls that some other players get. I'm of the opinion that the refs don't much care for Boston, given that they yap too fvckin' much.

Shaq has always gotten a ton of calls. He would dip his shoulder and knock the defensive player aside - a clear offensive foul - yet the defender would get called for the foul. LBJ does that too, sometimes. Howard does it and sometimes gets called for the foul.

 

[Stojakapimp]

As much as I love to see the Laker's lose, I do agree that the officiating has been horrible. I'm not saying that it's favored the Lakers, as I think it's gone both ways, but in general, the officiating in the NBA is atrocious.

There is no way that Luke Walton should have fouled out last night. Of those last 3 fouls called on him, I don't think any of those were an actual foul. The league really needs to start being consistent on what is and isn't a foul.

I think that refs should be governed by an external agency, and not by the NBA. I seriously think that the NBA is rigged, so much of it comes down to the Vegas line and what would draw the most money for the finals.

 

[herkulease]

There goes Mo Williams with guarantees. While he averages 17 points. his shooting is horrible. 32% with only 25% from 3pt land. His turnovers are up too. I'm thinking he should just lay low and work on improve his shooting. He takes nearly 1/3 of all shots.

 

[threeringbinder]

Originally posted by: Flipped Gazelle

Originally posted by: NYHoustonman

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: NYHoustonman
Infuriating game to watch if you're a Lakers fan, between the cheap shots (Kobe trip in particular), bad calls, and the downright refusal to grab loose balls. Dahnte Jones drove twice in the last two minutes, when the game was over - would it have been too much to ask for Mbenga to put him on his ass?
Overall, LA's probably lucky they didn't lose by 30+.

The officiating in the playoffs overall has been absolutely horrific - they've bounced between missing clear violations and calling every little thing. It's pretty unbelievable, and it's a shame that the refs are so sheltered at this point... Frankly, if I made as many mistakes as some of these guys are making, I would be worried about job security.

Anyone complaining about the Lakers being the recipient of cheap shots and bad calls = :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

To be honest I'm not really sure what you're referencing, but there hasn't been much of a back-and-forth in this series, and in the previous series it's gone both ways. Within the scope of this game, it was just one more thing that bothered me. It's all the more annoying when the refs somehow miss the call.

There's a couple of Laker fans that post in this thread who incessantly whine about the Lakers not "getting the calls". As a group, Lakers fans are the whiniest bunch I know.

did you not see kobe get tripped?

 

[hydroponik]

boo hoo, lakers going to lose again? lol

Denver Orlando 09, holla

 

[KeithTalent]

Gasol saying they need to go inside more and I agree. When I was watching the game last night (I only got to see the first half), I was thinking to myself how they should try and pound it inside more, since they appear to have mismatches there. So many times, even though they seem to be moving the ball reasonably well on many of the possessions, they tend to end up taking these 20 footers or shooting from 3 and missing (Fisher, I'm looking at you, but he's not the only one).

I'm no expert, but if your main big man is shooting 62.5% from the field, and is better than any of the big men on the other team, you keep going back in there. Even if he gets fouled, you get a couple of freebies (he's a 70% FT shooter) plus get a foul on the other teams inside guys.

Just my $0.02 and I hate the Lakers.

KT

 

[Flipped Gazelle]

Originally posted by: threeringbinder

Originally posted by: Flipped Gazelle

Originally posted by: NYHoustonman

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: NYHoustonman
Infuriating game to watch if you're a Lakers fan, between the cheap shots (Kobe trip in particular), bad calls, and the downright refusal to grab loose balls. Dahnte Jones drove twice in the last two minutes, when the game was over - would it have been too much to ask for Mbenga to put him on his ass?
Overall, LA's probably lucky they didn't lose by 30+.

The officiating in the playoffs overall has been absolutely horrific - they've bounced between missing clear violations and calling every little thing. It's pretty unbelievable, and it's a shame that the refs are so sheltered at this point... Frankly, if I made as many mistakes as some of these guys are making, I would be worried about job security.

Anyone complaining about the Lakers being the recipient of cheap shots and bad calls = :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

To be honest I'm not really sure what you're referencing, but there hasn't been much of a back-and-forth in this series, and in the previous series it's gone both ways. Within the scope of this game, it was just one more thing that bothered me. It's all the more annoying when the refs somehow miss the call.

There's a couple of Laker fans that post in this thread who incessantly whine about the Lakers not "getting the calls". As a group, Lakers fans are the whiniest bunch I know.

did you not see kobe get tripped?

Actually, I didn't see the trip until today. What does that have to do with anything?

 

[sash1]

Mo Williams is an idiot: "we're the best"

 

[Flipped Gazelle]

Originally posted by: sash1
Mo Williams is an idiot: "we're the best"

PEBBAM

(Problem Exists Between Brain And Mouth)

 

[cheezy321]

Originally posted by: Flipped Gazelle

Originally posted by: threeringbinder

did you not see kobe get tripped?

Actually, I didn't see the trip until today. What does that have to do with anything?

The answer is: Nothing

Yes, Kobe was tripped. Yes, it was on purpose. Yes, there should possibly be some type of punishment for that kind of behavior.

Does it change the fact that Lakers fans are some of the whiniest fans there are? Nope.

 

[cheezy321]

Oh, and does anyone else let out of deep sigh every time they see Joey Crawford reffing a game? Why isn't this man fired yet?

 

[Flipped Gazelle]

Originally posted by: cheezy321
Oh, and does anyone else let out of deep sigh every time they see Joey Crawford reffing a game? Why isn't this man fired yet?

Must have dirty pics of Stern.

 

[cheezy321]

Originally posted by: Stojakapimp

I think that refs should be governed by an external agency, and not by the NBA.

I honestly think this should have happened a long time ago. Its definitely a conflict of interest when the NBA sends their "company men" to the games where the outcome is very important to their bottom line.

 

[OCGuy]

Any time Steve Javey or Joey Crawford get anywhere near a game im watching, I think about changing it.

After what Crawford did to Duncan, I cant believe he didnt get a lifetime playoff ban.


Usually I am the first one to laugh at the losers that complain about poor officiating. This year has been so bad I am at a loss. That "foul" on Lebron's 3 point shot, where BOTH OFFICIALS put their hands up immediatly to call it a foul was pure insanity.

 

[her209]

NBA upgrades Jones' tripping of Bryant to flagrant 1 foul. Downgrades Bynum's flagrant 1 to a personal foul.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4207241

 

[Flipped Gazelle]

Originally posted by: her209
NBA upgrades Jones' tripping of Bryant to flagrant 1 foul. Downgrades Bynum's flagrant 1 to a personal foul.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4207241

God, does anyone in the NBA know what they're doing?

Upgrading the Jones foul makes no sense. There is already a personal foul for "tripping". Jones demonstrated it perfectly.

At least they downgraded Bynum's foul. It was only an average "playoff foul" anyway.

 

[Flipped Gazelle]

Originally posted by: OCguy
Any time Steve Javey or Joey Crawford get anywhere near a game im watching, I think about changing it.

After what Crawford did to Duncan, I cant believe he didnt get a lifetime playoff ban.


Usually I am the first one to laugh at the losers that complain about poor officiating. This year has been so bad I am at a loss. That "foul" on Lebron's 3 point shot, where BOTH OFFICIALS put their hands up immediatly to call it a foul was pure insanity.

This.

 

[NYHoustonman]

Originally posted by: Flipped Gazelle

Originally posted by: her209
NBA upgrades Jones' tripping of Bryant to flagrant 1 foul. Downgrades Bynum's flagrant 1 to a personal foul.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4207241

God, does anyone in the NBA know what they're doing?

Upgrading the Jones foul makes no sense. There is already a personal foul for "tripping". Jones demonstrated it perfectly.

At least they downgraded Bynum's foul. It was only an average "playoff foul" anyway.

That is typically used for incidental contact. I would agree that it shouldn't have been a flagrant - it should have been a retroactive technical in addition to the personal foul, because of the intent. No way in hell that's just a personal.

Really, though, how many calls have been changed in the last few games? How many times has the poor officiating been pointed out? At least Phil Jackson made a comment about it - I think he can afford the $25k. It's unbelievable that these people are let off the hook with all the mistakes they're making. Unless something changes I'll frankly never feel bad about bad-mouthing a ref at a game again. Nobody else is allowed to say anything...

Originally posted by: KeithTalent
Gasol saying they need to go inside more and I agree. When I was watching the game last night (I only got to see the first half), I was thinking to myself how they should try and pound it inside more, since they appear to have mismatches there. So many times, even though they seem to be moving the ball reasonably well on many of the possessions, they tend to end up taking these 20 footers or shooting from 3 and missing (Fisher, I'm looking at you, but he's not the only one).

I'm no expert, but if your main big man is shooting 62.5% from the field, and is better than any of the big men on the other team, you keep going back in there. Even if he gets fouled, you get a couple of freebies (he's a 70% FT shooter) plus get a foul on the other teams inside guys.

Just my $0.02 and I hate the Lakers.

KT

The problem - and they discussed this on Sportscenter just now - is also that Gasol has not been remotely assertive save for small stretches. Half the time they give him the ball, he does nothing, passes it back out, and by that time the shot clock is almost gone and somebody else has to shoot it. He's got amazing skills, but it looks a hell of a lot like he's intimidated by Denver, specifically Nene. Big guy, don't get me wrong, but there's no room for that in the Playoffs.

 

[zerocool84]

Every where I've read or been listening to is saying that the Cavs need to go small, small, small so they have an easier time scoring. Oh and I hope Mo Williams lives up to his guarantee or he's going to be the laughing stock of the NBA. He's the last person to should be giving out any guarantees seeing as how he's been playing.

 

[zerocool84]

Originally posted by: NYHoustonman

The problem - and they discussed this on Sportscenter just now - is also that Gasol has not been remotely assertive save for small stretches. Half the time they give him the ball, he does nothing, passes it back out, and by that time the shot clock is almost gone and somebody else has to shoot it. He's got amazing skills, but it looks a hell of a lot like he's intimidated by Denver, specifically Nene. Big guy, don't get me wrong, but there's no room for that in the Playoffs.

I've been saying this since the beginning of the season to everyone I know, they don't call him Ga-soft for no reason. He's got the skills to be one of the top players in the NBA but just seems to not try hard enough consistently.

 

[dbk]

LMAO @ Barkley playing basketball

 

[sash1]

seems Howard been workin on his free throws