2009 Camry or Accord

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thomsbrain

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Originally posted by: aesthetics
2000-2005 Pontiac Bonneville SSEi or GXP.

Could save your life someday.

By discouraging you from ever driving again, thus preventing an accident?
 

darom

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I would pick Accord, I've owned one for 10 years (1996 EX) and liked its reliability and abundance of cheap parts.
If you are still undecided between these two, go and test ride a Subaru Legacy (4 banger first), then the GT version :) You can find a slightly used one 2005-2007 GT still under warranty for a good price.
 

LS8

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Originally posted by: Jumpem
Originally posted by: Marlin1975
Saturn Aura / Chevy Malibu

Pontiac G8

Those would all be horrible purchases. They may be fine vehicles, but the rapid depreciation American vehicles still have makes them an unwise buy.

Depreciation is NOT a factor for people who keep their cars for at least 10 years. It is only a factor for people who trade cars every 3 years/30k miles. People who change cars that often generally can't afford the car anyway so it is imperative they get a high resale of the car so they don't go upside-down on the car note. People who keep their cars longer generally are able to buy the car outright.
 

Paratus

Lifer
Jun 4, 2004
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Originally posted by: SoundTheSurrender
Originally posted by: Paratus
For me at any rate, resale value means nothing since I plan on keeping my cars around ten years

Well by that don't even think about getting a American car.

I'm getting a Camry in the next 2 years but it's gonna be a 2005/2006 version. I don't like the new style.

Well damn your right. When should I have gotten rid of my 98 Oldsmobile Intrigue. It's ten now.......

Should I have gotten a new car 4 years ago?

I know I should have gotten a Camry or Accord 10 years ago so my car would have lasted 10 years........


:confused:

I've put in an order for a new 09 Malibu LTZ 4cly/6spd. It gets better gas mileage than either Accord or Camry (22/33). Plus I can get it for several thousand cheaper and it looks better IMHO.
 

desy

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Jan 13, 2000
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ITs because of resale I like NA cars, well actually letting some other sucker take the hit for the first couple yrs. Also, by then if the car has any issues they can be pretty much fixed or reported on so you don't get blindsided.
There is nothing like driving new though ;) its then I choose what I want as opposed to worry over $. Although CNN autos says my new Versa is one of the cheapest cars to maintain! yay. . .

BTW there was a Canadian study done that showed after 15 yrs 45% of domestics were still on the road and 55% of Japanese were still on the road, so edge to Japan as we have come to expect but not nearly the gap pushed about by people backing their favs.
Remember, this was also in the bad ole days where NA manufacture was pushing out some junk and the two best Honda and Toyota were also lumped in with every other Japanese manufacturer
 

dug777

Lifer
Oct 13, 2004
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Originally posted by: RagingBITCH
Originally posted by: dug777
Honda trim levels are dumb, and for that reason alone I'd get the Camry ;)

Um, they both have pretty similar trim levels.

Um, yeah :eek:

I had a perception that (at least here), some very important options are easy to add to lower end toyota vehicles, but apparently impossible to add to hondas without moving up a whole 'trim level'.

So I can take my base corolla and add 11tybillion airbags, but I can't do that a civic.

Looking at the accord and camry it's pretty similar, um, so you're correct.

I was wrong *runs away sobbing*

;)

 

dug777

Lifer
Oct 13, 2004
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Originally posted by: desy
ITs because of resale I like NA cars, well actually letting some other sucker take the hit for the first couple yrs. Also, by then if the car has any issues they can be pretty much fixed or reported on so you don't get blindsided.
There is nothing like driving new though ;) its then I choose what I want as opposed to worry over $. Although CNN autos says my new Versa is one of the cheapest cars to maintain! yay. . .

BTW there was a Canadian study done that showed after 15 yrs 45% of domestics were still on the road and 55% of Japanese were still on the road, so edge to Japan as we have come to expect but not nearly the gap pushed about by people backing their favs.
Remember, this was also in the bad ole days where NA manufacture was pushing out some junk and the two best Honda and Toyota were also lumped in with every other Japanese manufacturer

I'm amazed that many are OFF the road, for either group.

My '89 323 is in excellent condition and it's nearly 20...
 

sdifox

No Lifer
Sep 30, 2005
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Originally posted by: dug777
Originally posted by: RagingBITCH
Originally posted by: dug777
Honda trim levels are dumb, and for that reason alone I'd get the Camry ;)

Um, they both have pretty similar trim levels.

Um, yeah :eek:

I had a perception that (at least here), some very important options are easy to add to lower end toyota vehicles, but apparently impossible to add to hondas without moving up a whole 'trim level'.

So I can take my base corolla and add 11tybillion airbags, but I can't do that a civic.

Looking at the accord and camry it's pretty similar, um, so you're correct.

I was wrong *runs away sobbing*

;)

Living upside down has its drawbacks. All that blood rushing to your head makes you giddy thus less coherent. Plus it's bad for your heart.
 

dug777

Lifer
Oct 13, 2004
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Originally posted by: sdifox
Originally posted by: dug777
Originally posted by: RagingBITCH
Originally posted by: dug777
Honda trim levels are dumb, and for that reason alone I'd get the Camry ;)

Um, they both have pretty similar trim levels.

Um, yeah :eek:

I had a perception that (at least here), some very important options are easy to add to lower end toyota vehicles, but apparently impossible to add to hondas without moving up a whole 'trim level'.

So I can take my base corolla and add 11tybillion airbags, but I can't do that a civic.

Looking at the accord and camry it's pretty similar, um, so you're correct.

I was wrong *runs away sobbing*

;)

Living upside down has its drawbacks. All that blood rushing to your head makes you giddy thus less coherent. Plus it's bad for your heart.

It's all true :beer:
 

desy

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Jan 13, 2000
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I'm amazed that many are OFF the road, for either group.

My '89 323 is in excellent condition and it's nearly 20...

How much road salt do you get in aus?
mmm thats right , see here in Canada Xteme weather and salt
after 15 yrs I'd suspect many get totaled
 

Jumpem

Lifer
Sep 21, 2000
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Originally posted by: LS8
Depreciation is NOT a factor for people who keep their cars for at least 10 years. It is only a factor for people who trade cars every 3 years/30k miles. People who change cars that often generally can't afford the car anyway so it is imperative they get a high resale of the car so they don't go upside-down on the car note. People who keep their cars longer generally are able to buy the car outright.

I have kept my last four vehicles between three months and a bit under two years.

My current car I have had for just over two years. It seems that 3 years/90k miles is the point I will be trading in.
 

dug777

Lifer
Oct 13, 2004
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Originally posted by: desy
I'm amazed that many are OFF the road, for either group.

My '89 323 is in excellent condition and it's nearly 20...

How much road salt do you get in aus?
mmm thats right , see here in Canada Xteme weather and salt
after 15 yrs I'd suspect many get totaled

I suspect that's a large part of it. Plus it's pretty dry here.

Not a spot of body rust on it (clear coat is still intact too).
 

sdifox

No Lifer
Sep 30, 2005
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Originally posted by: dug777
Originally posted by: desy
I'm amazed that many are OFF the road, for either group.

My '89 323 is in excellent condition and it's nearly 20...

How much road salt do you get in aus?
mmm thats right , see here in Canada Xteme weather and salt
after 15 yrs I'd suspect many get totaled

I suspect that's a large part of it. Plus it's pretty dry here.

Not a spot of body rust on it (clear coat is still intact too).

Even under the harsh sun? No chips from the road? Damn that is one clean swept highway then.
 

Eos

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Jun 14, 2000
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The NICB study is based on information reported to the National Crime Information Center.

Here are the 10 most stolen vehicles as reported by the NICB ? the number in parentheses is the model year most stolen:

1. Honda Civic (1995)
2. Honda Accord (1991)
3. Toyota Camry (1989)
4. Ford F-150 (1997)
5. Chevrolet C/K 1500 (1994)
6. Acura Integra (1994)
7. Dodge Ram Pickup (2004)
8. Nissan Sentra (1994)
9. Toyota Pickup (1988)
10. Toyota Corolla (2007)

Text
 

dug777

Lifer
Oct 13, 2004
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Originally posted by: sdifox
Originally posted by: dug777
Originally posted by: desy
I'm amazed that many are OFF the road, for either group.

My '89 323 is in excellent condition and it's nearly 20...

How much road salt do you get in aus?
mmm thats right , see here in Canada Xteme weather and salt
after 15 yrs I'd suspect many get totaled

I suspect that's a large part of it. Plus it's pretty dry here.

Not a spot of body rust on it (clear coat is still intact too).

Even under the harsh sun? No chips from the road? Damn that is one clean swept highway then.

Well, there are stone chips in places, but the plastic protectors on the leading edge of the bonnet and headlights have protected it well.

I'm impressed the clear coat has survived the sun too...
 

sdifox

No Lifer
Sep 30, 2005
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Originally posted by: dug777
Originally posted by: sdifox
Originally posted by: dug777
Originally posted by: desy
I'm amazed that many are OFF the road, for either group.

My '89 323 is in excellent condition and it's nearly 20...

How much road salt do you get in aus?
mmm thats right , see here in Canada Xteme weather and salt
after 15 yrs I'd suspect many get totaled

I suspect that's a large part of it. Plus it's pretty dry here.

Not a spot of body rust on it (clear coat is still intact too).

Even under the harsh sun? No chips from the road? Damn that is one clean swept highway then.

Well, there are stone chips in places, but the plastic protectors on the leading edge of the bonnet and headlights have protected it well.

I'm impressed the clear coat has survived the sun too...

My 2002 Protegé5 is rusting like crazy... I don't park in the garage and the Canadian salt wash in the winter and harsh sun in the summer is making my car rust.
 

dug777

Lifer
Oct 13, 2004
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Originally posted by: sdifox
Originally posted by: dug777
Originally posted by: sdifox
Originally posted by: dug777
Originally posted by: desy
I'm amazed that many are OFF the road, for either group.

My '89 323 is in excellent condition and it's nearly 20...

How much road salt do you get in aus?
mmm thats right , see here in Canada Xteme weather and salt
after 15 yrs I'd suspect many get totaled

I suspect that's a large part of it. Plus it's pretty dry here.

Not a spot of body rust on it (clear coat is still intact too).

Even under the harsh sun? No chips from the road? Damn that is one clean swept highway then.

Well, there are stone chips in places, but the plastic protectors on the leading edge of the bonnet and headlights have protected it well.

I'm impressed the clear coat has survived the sun too...

My 2002 Protegé5 is rusting like crazy... I don't park in the garage and the Canadian salt wash in the winter and harsh sun in the summer is making my car rust.

I can't imagine my poor car getting salt-sluiced like that :eek:
 

sdifox

No Lifer
Sep 30, 2005
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Originally posted by: dug777
Originally posted by: sdifox
Originally posted by: dug777
Originally posted by: sdifox
Originally posted by: dug777
Originally posted by: desy
I'm amazed that many are OFF the road, for either group.

My '89 323 is in excellent condition and it's nearly 20...

How much road salt do you get in aus?
mmm thats right , see here in Canada Xteme weather and salt
after 15 yrs I'd suspect many get totaled

I suspect that's a large part of it. Plus it's pretty dry here.

Not a spot of body rust on it (clear coat is still intact too).

Even under the harsh sun? No chips from the road? Damn that is one clean swept highway then.

Well, there are stone chips in places, but the plastic protectors on the leading edge of the bonnet and headlights have protected it well.

I'm impressed the clear coat has survived the sun too...

My 2002 Protegé5 is rusting like crazy... I don't park in the garage and the Canadian salt wash in the winter and harsh sun in the summer is making my car rust.

I can't imagine my poor car getting salt-sluiced like that :eek:

Yeah, it would have rusted away a long time ago.
 

thecritic

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Sep 5, 2004
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I've driven an 09 Camry SE V6, an '08 Accord EX-L I4 and an 08 Accord EX V6. The 6-cyl Camry has a stronger V6 (compared to the Accord V6), better fuel economy and better shift quality. Both versions of the Accord have a communicative steering, more comfortable (and larger) interior and more futuristic styling compared to the Camry. The Camry is also much quieter on the highway than either version of the Accord.

The Accord V6 will need a timing belt, timing belt tensioner, water pump, spark plugs, drive belts and valve adjustment around 105k that will cost you around $1200. The V6's fuel economy is also about 10% less than the Camry. The transmission fluid will also need to be replaced every 60k (or so) at the cost of $60-$80 each time. The Camry's transmission fluid is lifetime fill. The I4 Accord doesn't have a timing belt, but it still requires the same transmission fluid changes and a valve adjustment at 105k, which will cost around $200.

But so far, the Accord's reliability has been better. The Camry has had a lot of transmission problems (flaring) while the Accord has had few issues, with the exception of a small handful of people complaining about a rough transmission between 6 and 3 cylinder mode on the V6s.

Both cars have their weaknesses. You'll have to decide which ones you're willing to live with.
 

Zenmervolt

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Oct 22, 2000
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Originally posted by: eos
The NICB study is based on information reported to the National Crime Information Center.

Here are the 10 most stolen vehicles as reported by the NICB ? the number in parentheses is the model year most stolen:

1. Honda Civic (1995)
2. Honda Accord (1991)
3. Toyota Camry (1989)
4. Ford F-150 (1997)
5. Chevrolet C/K 1500 (1994)
6. Acura Integra (1994)
7. Dodge Ram Pickup (2004)
8. Nissan Sentra (1994)
9. Toyota Pickup (1988)
10. Toyota Corolla (2007)

Text

Unfortunately, these lists do not correct for the number of cars on the road and thus artificially exaggerate the likelihood of more common cars being stolen. A better number, which I cannot find reported anywhere, would be cars stolen per 100,000 on the road.

ZV
 

Eos

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Jun 14, 2000
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Originally posted by: Zenmervolt
Originally posted by: eos
The NICB study is based on information reported to the National Crime Information Center.

Here are the 10 most stolen vehicles as reported by the NICB ? the number in parentheses is the model year most stolen:

1. Honda Civic (1995)
2. Honda Accord (1991)
3. Toyota Camry (1989)
4. Ford F-150 (1997)
5. Chevrolet C/K 1500 (1994)
6. Acura Integra (1994)
7. Dodge Ram Pickup (2004)
8. Nissan Sentra (1994)
9. Toyota Pickup (1988)
10. Toyota Corolla (2007)

Text

Unfortunately, these lists do not correct for the number of cars on the road and thus artificially exaggerate the likelihood of more common cars being stolen. A better number, which I cannot find reported anywhere, would be cars stolen per 100,000 on the road.

ZV

Yeah, that pesky liberal media is at it again!
 

postmortemIA

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whats wrong with Subaru legacy? 4 wheel drive? new option with H6 3.0L engine at ~26,000 price?