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2008 FORMULA 1 ING AUSTRALIAN GRAND PRIX

The 2008 Season Preview - what's new?

"There are several key changes to the rules and regulations for 2008, one of which concerns the final session of qualifying. The ?fuel burn? laps were always unpopular, and in tune with public demand that has been dropped. Instead of 15 minutes, the final 10 runners will have only 10, and now they can?t refuel afterwards, so this really is going to be an all-out dash for the pole that will add to the excitement on a Saturday afternoon."

Good. It seemed the only purpose of the old qualifiying fuel rule was to be exploited.

"At the same time, rookies get a break under revisions to the strict rules that limit testing. Those who have not raced a Formula One car in the preceding two years or tested a car for more than four days in that period, will get the chance to familiarise themselves in ?young driver training days? which fall outside the main testing limitations."

Obviously, teams will be testing the cars during these extra sessions as much as the drivers.

"There are further restrictions on parts that teams are allowed to develop under the current engine freeze, which will help to switch development programmes towards the Kinetic Energy Recovery Systems (KERS) that will come into effect in 2009 under the FIA?s long-term plan to make the sport more eco-relevant. Hand-in-hand with this, teams must use fuels which have a minimum of 5.75 per cent content from biological sources. And now that the two-race engine rule has led to such remarkable reliability across the board, teams will be allowed to go unpenalised on their first engine change of the season. This is intended to ensure that a minor glitch doesn?t compromise a championship campaign. All subsequent engine failures will receive the usual 10 grid-place penalty. Gearboxes are also being ?lifed? by the FIA; units must now last four races (calculated as the Saturday and Sunday of a Grand Prix), and failures here will result in five grid places being lost."

Sounds good to me. At least they didn't use the term "green".
 
That rookie rule will get tons of new test drivers a chance to drive an F1 car. I can see teams bringing on like 10 test drivers just so they can test the car some more.

Here's my prediction for the starting grid:
1. Raikkonen - Ferrari
2. Hamilton - McLaren
3. Massa - Ferrari
4. Kubica - BMW
5. Kovalainen - McLaren
6. Heidfeld - BMW
7. Alonso - Renault
8. Coulthard - Red Bull
9. Button - Honda
10. Webber - Red Bull
11. Barrichello - Honda
12. Trulli - Toyota
13. Piquet - Renault
14. Glock - Toyota
15. Bourdais - Toro Rosso
16. Rosberg - Williams
17. Nakajima - Williams
18. Sato - Super Aguri
19. Davidson - Super Aguri
20. Fisichella - Force India
21. Sutil - Force India

 
Originally posted by: GoatMonkey
That rookie rule will get tons of new test drivers a chance to drive an F1 car. I can see teams bringing on like 10 test drivers just so they can test the car some more.

Here's my prediction for the starting grid:
1. Raikkonen - Ferrari
2. Hamilton - McLaren
3. Massa - Ferrari
4. Kubica - BMW
5. Kovalainen - McLaren
6. Heidfeld - BMW
7. Alonso - Renault
8. Coulthard - Red Bull
9. Button - Honda
10. Webber - Red Bull
11. Barrichello - Honda
12. Trulli - Toyota
13. Piquet - Renault
14. Glock - Toyota
15. Bourdais - Toro Rosso
16. Rosberg - Williams
17. Nakajima - Williams
18. Sato - Super Aguri
19. Davidson - Super Aguri
20. Fisichella - Force India
21. Sutil - Force India

i think alonso will finish ahead of at least one bmw. i expect renault and bmw to steal at least a couple wins from the big 2 this year.
 
Originally posted by: The Boston Dangler
Originally posted by: GoatMonkey
That rookie rule will get tons of new test drivers a chance to drive an F1 car. I can see teams bringing on like 10 test drivers just so they can test the car some more.

Here's my prediction for the starting grid:
1. Raikkonen - Ferrari
2. Hamilton - McLaren
3. Massa - Ferrari
4. Kubica - BMW
5. Kovalainen - McLaren
6. Heidfeld - BMW
7. Alonso - Renault
8. Coulthard - Red Bull
9. Button - Honda
10. Webber - Red Bull
11. Barrichello - Honda
12. Trulli - Toyota
13. Piquet - Renault
14. Glock - Toyota
15. Bourdais - Toro Rosso
16. Rosberg - Williams
17. Nakajima - Williams
18. Sato - Super Aguri
19. Davidson - Super Aguri
20. Fisichella - Force India
21. Sutil - Force India

i think alonso will finish ahead of at least one bmw. i expect renault and bmw to steal at least a couple wins from the big 2 this year.

In the first race, I don't think Renault will have their act together yet. They may get ahead of BMW after a few races.

You guys could be right that Webber will be ahead of Coulthard. Especially in Australia. I'd still say that he will qualify somewhere around 8 to 12 or so. He may be able to work up into the points during the race.
 
He will probably finish somewhere around the other Toro Rosso. Probably ahead of Bourdais, since it's his first race. So, I'd guess Vettel at 15 then Bourdais at 16 then.
 
Originally posted by: thedarkwolf
Webber is being pretty impressive. Looking forward to Bristol too. Going to be a good Saturday.

Webber got the 2nd fastest lap in practice. .914 behind Hamilton. He's going to be pushing hard on the home field.

They mentioned the 4 races for the transmission thing in the broadcast. When it said "...must now last four races (calculated as the Saturday and Sunday...", I thought it meant 4 sessions, but it's actually qualifying and racing 4 times. We're going to see some transmission failures.

I want to know if there's a pot of gold hidden in the Honda pits after seeing those freakin pants. Holy crap, who was that colorblind to have picked those?

 
Here in Melbourne, I could hear the cars qualifying from my house and I live 20 minutes away! Got woken up by the subtle sound actually.
 
http://www.formula1.com/

"Hamilton storms to pole as Ferrari falter in Melbourne

McLaren's Lewis Hamilton will start Sunday's Australian Grand Prix from pole position, with the BMW Sauber of Robert Kubica alongside him. Heikki Kovalainen qualified third on his McLaren debut.

Ferrari's Felipe Massa and Kimi Raikkonen are fourth and 16th on the grid after technical problems for Raikkonen at the end of Q2."


Wow. BMW is already in contention for their first win, starting second and fifth. I hope they can show this speed all season. Renault is off pace, and Ferrari is having problems.
 
Kubica may well have gotten the pole if not for that "moment" he had at T12. Major kudos for saving it like he did, he never lifted ! Guess BMW was sand-bagging in early practices after all.

Besides Kubica, biggest surprises were Heikki and Vettel, although it was disappointing to see Vettel drop out after getting to Round 3. May have been strategic though, that was the thinking. IMHO, Heikki will do well at McLaren, and may give Lewis a run. Ron loves his Finns, and for good reason, they almost all seem to have great car control, be it F1 or WRC.

Biggest disappointment was obviously Kimi, but that was partly his fault too. It was only a fuel pressure problem, which they could have fixed in time for Q2, but he shut his car down too soon and was not able to coast to the pit entrance/white line as required before getting further assistance. That said, he will be able to alter his fuel strategy (unlike Top 10), so I think he can still salvage a podium this weekend. I look for him to be within the Top 10 on the first lap (at the least).

David Hobbs : "And the anvil has fallen out of the sky on to Raikkonen yet again."
 
BMW was impressive in qualifying. That Toro Rosso in the top 10 was surprising also. The Toyotas seem to have improved a bit since last season too.

I'm expecting to see Raikkonen work his way up through the field, assuming his car can stay together. I think he can get up to the top 5.

It's great to see Alonso down in 12th.

 
Originally posted by: The Boston Dangler
Originally posted by: thedarkwolf
I'm liking the no traction control so far.

absolutely! they need to cut down the aero and bring back slicks, too.

No traction control is ok so far. It will make a much bigger difference when they do a wet race.

I would like it if they went the other way though. F1 should be the highest technology. They should be allowed active aero, and active suspensions. They should be allowed to have forced induction also. The old creative solutions like 6 wheels and that kind of thing should be allowed also. Restrictions on exotic materials should be removed. Hybrid technology should be allowed, well I guess it will be next year.

If they want to limit speeds and make it more "green" they should just limit the amount of fuel allowed to be used during the race. And if they do have to refuel, they should use standard gas pumps instead of the high speed pumps they have now.

I do think that there should be no remote adjustments allowed though. The technology needs to be self contained.

 
Originally posted by: GoatMonkey
Originally posted by: The Boston Dangler
Originally posted by: thedarkwolf
I'm liking the no traction control so far.

absolutely! they need to cut down the aero and bring back slicks, too.

No traction control is ok so far. It will make a much bigger difference when they do a wet race.

I would like it if they went the other way though. F1 should be the highest technology. They should be allowed active aero, and active suspensions. They should be allowed to have forced induction also. The old creative solutions like 6 wheels and that kind of thing should be allowed also. Restrictions on exotic materials should be removed. Hybrid technology should be allowed, well I guess it will be next year.

If they want to limit speeds and make it more "green" they should just limit the amount of fuel allowed to be used during the race. And if they do have to refuel, they should use standard gas pumps instead of the high speed pumps they have now.

I do think that there should be no remote adjustments allowed though. The technology needs to be self contained.

i was recently given a copy of racecar engineering magazine. it's great.

the way the same FIA restricts HP in WRC is by an intake restrictor plate yielding enough air to produce 300HP. without the restrictor plate, 600HP is possible. why this idea isn't applied to 95% of all sanctioned racing, i'll never know.

most F1 fans would love for F1 to go ultra-high tech, but the cost is rediculous. nobody wants to spend $500M per year on diminishing returns. this is no longer a cottage industry. Max has the right idea with putting a spending cap in place. the 2-race engine rule has been a miracle for reliability, but it hasn't brought costs down. Ferrari and Williams still build dozens of engines per car, but instead of using them all, the best 1 or 2 are picked and the rest are melted.

if an F1 car recovers most of the energy, from slowing from a straight at 200 mph to a chicane at 75 mph, 1000's of horsepower are available coming out of the corner. what the hell do you do about that?

i'd like to see in F1:

a spending cap, maybe with the flexibility of letting the big spenders fight it out at the top while a small team can meet a lower tier and still not be at the back of the grid.

a 3-week stint across Canada, US, and Mexico.

driver aides- ??
if yes, then take cars from the level of the F-15 fighter and bring them to the level of the F-22. full drive-by wire, active suspension, ABS, TC, the whole lot.
if no, F1 becomes a spec class, and more about the man than the machine. which isn't bad either.

cars must be self-starting, with forward and reverse.

4 wheel drive and steering.

ban areo elements outside the wheelbase. the front suspension can be a limited aero device, and a small rear wing may have active control. to keep speeds and cost under control, flat and fixed bottoms are a must.

open drivetrain specs. put on the same restrictor plate as everyone else and run what ya brung. turbines, wankels, anything goes. fuels should be regulated similarly to the present, but include diesel.
 
@ the boston dangler

Let's start a whole new racing class ey ?

As for no traction control, I think it's going to play a bigger role in races, be it wet races or not. Imagine being pushed by a faster car, they'll have to race on the edge or the get passed. No traction control, but pushing as hard as you can means hitting the gas as early as possible. 7 hours and we will know. Can't wait, to bad the race is at 4.30am for me 😛
 
I would like it if they went the other way though. F1 should be the highest technology. They should be allowed active aero, and active suspensions.

I don't necessarily disagree, but then we've "been there, done that", in the late 80's-early 90's. The Williams with turbo'd Renault engine (~1400+HP) and active suspension was probably the "technical plateau" in all of F1 history, to date. Saw it in action in person ... unfreakin' real !! Problem was, costs, etc., killed off all the great independent teams like Lotus, Tyrrell, etc. F1 lost a lot of it's "history" (which, IMHO, is still important to the sport, though Bernie and Max seem to not care ... guess Bernie forgets where he came from). The car count suffered badly, which no one wants to see ... not much of a race if there's only a dozen or so cars.

Upcoming "green" technology like regen braking, etc., should be interesting.


the way the same FIA restricts HP in WRC is by an intake restrictor plate yielding enough air to produce 300HP. without the restrictor plate, 600HP is possible. why this idea isn't applied to 95% of all sanctioned racing, i'll never know.

OMG, bite your tongue 😛 on that ... you wanna turn F1 in to CRAPCAR or somethin' ? 😀


open drivetrain specs. put on the same restrictor plate as everyone else and run what ya brung. turbines, wankels, anything goes. fuels should be regulated similarly to the present, but include diesel

Take away that restrictor plate and you have the formula for what made the Indy 500 one of the greatest races. VERY sad what has happened to that once proud institution. 🙁


Little over an hour to race time ... gotta go get the Foster's out of the snow bank.


Enjoy the race everybody !!!
 
I guess that was an interesting race. It seems like the drivers are having some issues handling no traction control judging by the number of cars that completed the race.
 
I was hugely disappointed by the race.

As I predicted, Kimi was in the Top 10 by the end of the first lap, thanks in no small part to some very ballsy driving, and he no doubt could have come home second. With all the safety car periods, he may well have been able to win it using a single pit stop strategy. Instead he threw it all away, which is very unlike him, especially to loose it twice in the same corner.

I think the biggest problem the drivers are having with regard to the removal of TC is when they put a wheel (or more ---> see Timo Glock) off the tarmac. Before, TC would "save" them, now there's very little chance of being able to gather it in. This is what got Kimi, who has, IMHO, the best car control of them all. If he wants to win the championship again this year he is going to have to "tone" things down a bit and not go all out, all the time, just like Hamilton did to win. The Ferrari looks to be the faster car.

Eau Rouge at Spa will be very interesting to watch this year, the days of going flat out through this turn complex may well be over ...
 
the last 1/4 of the race was chaos. makes for good tv anyway. hamilton had a flawless drive, and the mclaren cars seem to be faster AND more reliable than anyone else.
 
Is it just me or do the Speed Race commentators suck nads? Their constant jabbering really seemed to make the Race secondary and I felt disconnected from the action. I missed the first half of the race, but thought it was full of drama in what I saw. Should be an interesting season.
 
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