2007 Tundra already winning awards?

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Ktulu

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Dec 16, 2000
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Originally posted by: CFster
Yeah, that truck will suck.

I mean, it's not like Toyota has gotten ANYTHING right in the past five years...

:roll:

Nobody said it would suck and Toyota's quality has gown down in the past years, as a matter of fact this has been a terrible year for Toyota in terms of recalls.
 

CFster

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AAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAHAHAHAAAA!!!!

...pant, pant

HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHahhhahahaha....


 

Strk

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Originally posted by: Sukhoi
Have the damn engine specs been officially released yet?

Not that I'm aware of, but the size (5.7l) is pretty set. The towing capacity is also supposed to be over 10,000. The load capacity, as far as I know, is still unknown.
 

Sukhoi

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Originally posted by: Strk
Originally posted by: Sukhoi
Have the damn engine specs been officially released yet?

Not that I'm aware of, but the size (5.7l) is pretty set. The towing capacity is also supposed to be over 10,000. The load capacity, as far as I know, is still unknown.

I just can't figure out why the specs aren't out if it's already in SOP. I know the HP ratings but I'm curious what the torque is going to be.
 

jtvang125

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I was watching The Good The Bad and The Ugly with Jeremy Clarkson last night. He was comparing American pickup trucks to covered wagons. Both were basically just two axels held on with spindles. :D

But I'd still take a Silverado over the Tundra.
 

NFS4

No Lifer
Oct 9, 1999
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Originally posted by: SVT Cobra
Originally posted by: Ryan
Originally posted by: Ktulu
Originally posted by: Ryan
Originally posted by: Ktulu
Originally posted by: Ryan
Actually - the San Antonio plant that builds the Tundra went operational on November 17th, production has already started.

This is just the first in a wave of reviews/awards for the Tundra. Toyota is taking this launch seriously - and the press is giving them anything they want.

Instead of actually earning it, gotcha.

What credentials do you have to say that the praise isn't warranted?

So then you believe it is right to praise a vehicle that has not even hit the showroom simply because of it's name?

Considering Toyota has already let people review them, held many events to for reporters, I don't see any problem with someone who has had first hand experience with them making an opinion.

While that may be true in some cases, most of the reviews and previews I have read about it go something like "While we are waiting to test one, we can say now that this is going to be the best pick up truck yet) and then they go to list features that have been in the ford and chevy trucks since the 90's. Hell even one magazine (forget which one, might have been Automobile) said "Bottom Line: It's a Toyota" and proceeded to give it 5 stars in its buyer's guide when it clearly stated that it hadn't even driven one yet.

This year, our seasoned staff of auto critics compiled a list of every new or substantially revised vehicle and assigned them to their respective categories, which were based on factors such as segment and price. Vehicles that were not driven by at least one staff member prior to final voting on Nov. 17, 2006 were disqualified, as were those that went on sale before February 2006 or after February 2007. However, contenders for the Best Car for the Environment, Best Family Car, and Best Car for Teen Drivers awards were not limited by sales dates or model year. Each staff member voted for the vehicle they?d most often recommend, with winners determined by a simple majority.
http://www.autobytel.com/content/shared...e_page_order_int/2/article_id_int/2305

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Strk

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Originally posted by: Fenixgoon
diesel > gas, that's all i have to say ;) :D

Yeah, except you still can't get them in light trucks/passenger cars in all 50 states :(

 

ElFenix

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Originally posted by: NFS4

This year, our seasoned staff of auto critics compiled a list of every new or substantially revised vehicle and assigned them to their respective categories, which were based on factors such as segment and price. Vehicles that were not driven by at least one staff member prior to final voting on Nov. 17, 2006 were disqualified, as were those that went on sale before February 2006 or after February 2007. However, contenders for the Best Car for the Environment, Best Family Car, and Best Car for Teen Drivers awards were not limited by sales dates or model year. Each staff member voted for the vehicle they?d most often recommend, with winners determined by a simple majority.
http://www.autobytel.com/content/shared...e_page_order_int/2/article_id_int/2305

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i note that the date happens to be the same day the T150, ert, tundra rolled off the factory floor.



god, it's hideous. this is what happens when people in LA design what they think people in Texas want. ugh.

 

SVT Cobra

Lifer
Mar 29, 2005
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Originally posted by: NFS4
Originally posted by: SVT Cobra
Originally posted by: Ryan
Originally posted by: Ktulu
Originally posted by: Ryan
Originally posted by: Ktulu
Originally posted by: Ryan
Actually - the San Antonio plant that builds the Tundra went operational on November 17th, production has already started.

This is just the first in a wave of reviews/awards for the Tundra. Toyota is taking this launch seriously - and the press is giving them anything they want.

Instead of actually earning it, gotcha.

What credentials do you have to say that the praise isn't warranted?

So then you believe it is right to praise a vehicle that has not even hit the showroom simply because of it's name?

Considering Toyota has already let people review them, held many events to for reporters, I don't see any problem with someone who has had first hand experience with them making an opinion.

While that may be true in some cases, most of the reviews and previews I have read about it go something like "While we are waiting to test one, we can say now that this is going to be the best pick up truck yet) and then they go to list features that have been in the ford and chevy trucks since the 90's. Hell even one magazine (forget which one, might have been Automobile) said "Bottom Line: It's a Toyota" and proceeded to give it 5 stars in its buyer's guide when it clearly stated that it hadn't even driven one yet.

This year, our seasoned staff of auto critics compiled a list of every new or substantially revised vehicle and assigned them to their respective categories, which were based on factors such as segment and price. Vehicles that were not driven by at least one staff member prior to final voting on Nov. 17, 2006 were disqualified, as were those that went on sale before February 2006 or after February 2007. However, contenders for the Best Car for the Environment, Best Family Car, and Best Car for Teen Drivers awards were not limited by sales dates or model year. Each staff member voted for the vehicle they?d most often recommend, with winners determined by a simple majority.
http://www.autobytel.com/content/shared...e_page_order_int/2/article_id_int/2305

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Umm your point??? I am not talking about that website, I am talking about car press that hasn't driven it and still gives it 5 stars.

Bottom line: your a toyota fanboy, and I am an american fanboy.
 

NFS4

No Lifer
Oct 9, 1999
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Originally posted by: SVT Cobra
Originally posted by: NFS4
Originally posted by: SVT Cobra
Originally posted by: Ryan
Originally posted by: Ktulu
Originally posted by: Ryan
Originally posted by: Ktulu
Originally posted by: Ryan
Actually - the San Antonio plant that builds the Tundra went operational on November 17th, production has already started.

This is just the first in a wave of reviews/awards for the Tundra. Toyota is taking this launch seriously - and the press is giving them anything they want.

Instead of actually earning it, gotcha.

What credentials do you have to say that the praise isn't warranted?

So then you believe it is right to praise a vehicle that has not even hit the showroom simply because of it's name?

Considering Toyota has already let people review them, held many events to for reporters, I don't see any problem with someone who has had first hand experience with them making an opinion.

While that may be true in some cases, most of the reviews and previews I have read about it go something like "While we are waiting to test one, we can say now that this is going to be the best pick up truck yet) and then they go to list features that have been in the ford and chevy trucks since the 90's. Hell even one magazine (forget which one, might have been Automobile) said "Bottom Line: It's a Toyota" and proceeded to give it 5 stars in its buyer's guide when it clearly stated that it hadn't even driven one yet.

This year, our seasoned staff of auto critics compiled a list of every new or substantially revised vehicle and assigned them to their respective categories, which were based on factors such as segment and price. Vehicles that were not driven by at least one staff member prior to final voting on Nov. 17, 2006 were disqualified, as were those that went on sale before February 2006 or after February 2007. However, contenders for the Best Car for the Environment, Best Family Car, and Best Car for Teen Drivers awards were not limited by sales dates or model year. Each staff member voted for the vehicle they?d most often recommend, with winners determined by a simple majority.
http://www.autobytel.com/content/shared...e_page_order_int/2/article_id_int/2305

/thread

Umm your point??? I am not talking about that website, I am talking about car press that hasn't driven it and still gives it 5 stars.

Bottom line: your a toyota fanboy, and I am an american fanboy.
What other press are you talking about? Have you named them?

Everyone and their grandma that is in the automotive press has already driven the new Tundra.
 

SVT Cobra

Lifer
Mar 29, 2005
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Originally posted by: NFS4
Originally posted by: SVT Cobra
Originally posted by: NFS4
Originally posted by: SVT Cobra
Originally posted by: Ryan
Originally posted by: Ktulu
Originally posted by: Ryan
Originally posted by: Ktulu
Originally posted by: Ryan
Actually - the San Antonio plant that builds the Tundra went operational on November 17th, production has already started.

This is just the first in a wave of reviews/awards for the Tundra. Toyota is taking this launch seriously - and the press is giving them anything they want.

Instead of actually earning it, gotcha.

What credentials do you have to say that the praise isn't warranted?

So then you believe it is right to praise a vehicle that has not even hit the showroom simply because of it's name?

Considering Toyota has already let people review them, held many events to for reporters, I don't see any problem with someone who has had first hand experience with them making an opinion.

While that may be true in some cases, most of the reviews and previews I have read about it go something like "While we are waiting to test one, we can say now that this is going to be the best pick up truck yet) and then they go to list features that have been in the ford and chevy trucks since the 90's. Hell even one magazine (forget which one, might have been Automobile) said "Bottom Line: It's a Toyota" and proceeded to give it 5 stars in its buyer's guide when it clearly stated that it hadn't even driven one yet.

This year, our seasoned staff of auto critics compiled a list of every new or substantially revised vehicle and assigned them to their respective categories, which were based on factors such as segment and price. Vehicles that were not driven by at least one staff member prior to final voting on Nov. 17, 2006 were disqualified, as were those that went on sale before February 2006 or after February 2007. However, contenders for the Best Car for the Environment, Best Family Car, and Best Car for Teen Drivers awards were not limited by sales dates or model year. Each staff member voted for the vehicle they?d most often recommend, with winners determined by a simple majority.
http://www.autobytel.com/content/shared...e_page_order_int/2/article_id_int/2305

/thread

Umm your point??? I am not talking about that website, I am talking about car press that hasn't driven it and still gives it 5 stars.

Bottom line: your a toyota fanboy, and I am an american fanboy.
What other press are you talking about? Have you named them?

Everyone and their grandma that is in the automotive press has already driven the new Tundra.


While that may be true in some cases, most of the reviews and previews I have read about it go something like "While we are waiting to test one, we can say now that this is going to be the best pick up truck yet) and then they go to list features that have been in the ford and chevy trucks since the 90's. Hell even one magazine (forget which one, might have been Automobile) said "Bottom Line: It's a Toyota" and proceeded to give it 5 stars in its buyer's guide when it clearly stated that it hadn't even driven one yet.
 

flyfish

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I am a proud owner of a 2001 Toyota Tundra.

That being said, the 2001 model was the perfect truck for me. It was a "mid sized" truck with a nice V8 that could tow my boat and travel trailer and that I could still park without having to have a pilots license. I also like the conservative looks and the real metal bumpers.

I don't like the 2007. Its too big for what I need at this point. The looks just don't cut it for me, especially that interior. The new V8 are to me manufactured in Alabama. The truck in made in San Antonio.Time will tell about the reliability.
 

her209

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Oct 11, 2000
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Originally posted by: BlancoNino
This has been going on for years. The japanese, in many cases, do build higher quality automobiles vs the U.S., but there has always been a lot of bias toward them. It's almost as if Japanese automobiles are given an extra 15% extra credit just for being made in Japan.
Oh how the times have changed. Anyone remember when Japan started exporting their cars to the US? They were automatically being given minus points for being made in Japan. :laugh:
 

Sukhoi

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Dec 5, 1999
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Originally posted by: flyfish
I am a proud owner of a 2001 Toyota Tundra.

That being said, the 2001 model was the perfect truck for me. It was a "mid sized" truck with a nice V8 that could tow my boat and travel trailer and that I could still park without having to have a pilots license. I also like the conservative looks and the real metal bumpers.

I don't like the 2007. Its too big for what I need at this point. The looks just don't cut it for me, especially that interior. The new V8 are to me manufactured in Alabama. The truck in made in San Antonio.Time will tell about the reliability.

Isn't the new Tacoma as big as the old Tundra?
 

marincounty

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Nov 16, 2005
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Originally posted by: Strk
Originally posted by: Fenixgoon
diesel > gas, that's all i have to say ;) :D

Yeah, except you still can't get them in light trucks/passenger cars in all 50 states :(

Diesel sucks, that's all I have to say.

In 1998, California identified diesel exhaust particulate matter (PM) as a toxic air contaminant based on its potential to cause cancer, premature death, and other health problems. Diesel engines also contribute to California's fine particulate matter (PM2.5) air quality problems. Those most vulnerable are children whose lungs are still developing and the elderly who may have other serious health problems. Based on year 2000 emissions in California, diesel PM contributes each year to 2000 premature deaths and thousands of hospital admissions, asthma attacks and other respiratory symptoms, and lost workdays. Overall, diesel engine emissions are responsible for the majority of California's known cancer risk from outdoor air pollutants. In addition, diesel soot causes visibility reduction and is a potent global warmer. The document describing Diesel Exhaust as a Toxic Air Contaminant is listed on this page.
http://www.arb.ca.gov/research/diesel/diesel-health.htm
 

Paddington

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The auto rags are the dregs of the journalism world. Most awards are paid for up front, and nothing more than a marketing gimmick up for grabs for the biggest bidder.

Toyota makes the most money these days and also hands out the biggest bags of money to the auto rags, which is why they win a lot of these "awards".
 

Fenixgoon

Lifer
Jun 30, 2003
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Originally posted by: marincounty
Originally posted by: Strk
Originally posted by: Fenixgoon
diesel > gas, that's all i have to say ;) :D

Yeah, except you still can't get them in light trucks/passenger cars in all 50 states :(

Diesel sucks, that's all I have to say.

In 1998, California identified diesel exhaust particulate matter (PM) as a toxic air contaminant based on its potential to cause cancer, premature death, and other health problems. Diesel engines also contribute to California's fine particulate matter (PM2.5) air quality problems. Those most vulnerable are children whose lungs are still developing and the elderly who may have other serious health problems. Based on year 2000 emissions in California, diesel PM contributes each year to 2000 premature deaths and thousands of hospital admissions, asthma attacks and other respiratory symptoms, and lost workdays. Overall, diesel engine emissions are responsible for the majority of California's known cancer risk from outdoor air pollutants. In addition, diesel soot causes visibility reduction and is a potent global warmer. The document describing Diesel Exhaust as a Toxic Air Contaminant is listed on this page.
http://www.arb.ca.gov/research/diesel/diesel-health.htm

let me ask you this... what ISN'T known to california to cause cancer?