2007 Sky Redline Dynometer results

[OS]

Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE
the red line will sell at MSRP. there are lists of the dealers who are marking them up, and those who arent.

there are hundreds of saturn dealers NOT marking them up.

let us also not forget that the Sky is easier to fit into for someone taller than 6' than the s2000 will be (i cant fit into the s2k)

That's what GM said about the pontiac solstice also, but some dealers still marked it up and all they got away with it.

Ultimately, GM can't control demand and the market by fixing price below demand for a given supply.

If this car is so cool and hot like you're painting it out to be, a smart buyer will get on the wait list right away, buy it and the turn it back around for sale for a nice profit.

 

[MikeMike]

Originally posted by: OS

Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE
the red line will sell at MSRP. there are lists of the dealers who are marking them up, and those who arent.

there are hundreds of saturn dealers NOT marking them up.

let us also not forget that the Sky is easier to fit into for someone taller than 6' than the s2000 will be (i cant fit into the s2k)

That's what GM said about the pontiac solstice also, but some dealers still marked it up and all they got away with it.

Ultimately, GM can't control demand and the market by fixing price below demand for a given supply.

If this car is so cool and hot like you're painting it out to be, a smart buyer will get on the wait list right away, buy it and the turn it back around for sale for a nice profit.

they are almost all sold already.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: Triumph

Originally posted by: DivideBYZero

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: shabby

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
BMW had a 1.5L turbo engine back in the 1980s that put out over 1200hp.

Nice, but what does that have to do with this thread?

It was meant to point out that the two hundred and whatever hp the engine in the sky redline foxtrot bumblebee is putting out is not all that impressive.

160hp from a 1.4 litre engine.

And a Yamaha R1 can put out 170 hp from 1 liter. What does any of this have to do with the thread?

It's a secret...I could tell you but then I'd have to kill you.

 

[OS]

Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE

Originally posted by: OS

Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE
the red line will sell at MSRP. there are lists of the dealers who are marking them up, and those who arent.

there are hundreds of saturn dealers NOT marking them up.

let us also not forget that the Sky is easier to fit into for someone taller than 6' than the s2000 will be (i cant fit into the s2k)

That's what GM said about the pontiac solstice also, but some dealers still marked it up and all they got away with it.

Ultimately, GM can't control demand and the market by fixing price below demand for a given supply.

If this car is so cool and hot like you're painting it out to be, a smart buyer will get on the wait list right away, buy it and the turn it back around for sale for a nice profit.

they are almost all sold already.

So what you're saying now is no one can buy this car at MSRP anyways, and if you want one, you'll have to pay something extra to someone who already has one.

 

[MikeMike]

Originally posted by: OS

Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE

Originally posted by: OS

Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE
the red line will sell at MSRP. there are lists of the dealers who are marking them up, and those who arent.

there are hundreds of saturn dealers NOT marking them up.

let us also not forget that the Sky is easier to fit into for someone taller than 6' than the s2000 will be (i cant fit into the s2k)

That's what GM said about the pontiac solstice also, but some dealers still marked it up and all they got away with it.

Ultimately, GM can't control demand and the market by fixing price below demand for a given supply.

If this car is so cool and hot like you're painting it out to be, a smart buyer will get on the wait list right away, buy it and the turn it back around for sale for a nice profit.

they are almost all sold already.

So what you're saying now is no one can buy this car at MSRP anyways, and if you want one, you'll have to pay something extra to someone who already has one.

or find the dealerships that got lucky and didnt sell their allotment, and what not.

 

[Ilikepiedoyou]

miata > s2000 > solstice/sky > town car

 

[EliteRetard]

14.2 is very respectable for a stock car...

Whoa! Wait were talking stock? How the ****** is 14sec 1/4mi respectable in any right? My ****** 4000lb 10ft long '96 LHS can do that or better. It cost 4500$ tax license ect out the door. And it gets 28MPG plus I can stuff 14 dead bodies in the trunk and 5 live ones inside. Very little modification (note: fixed air intake thats it). I dont have the dyno to prove it, but Ive put it up against your typical integras 300zs celicas crapped out civics focus ect and beat em all. And they run 14-15s too. Id say a respectable stock speed would be 11-12s. Fast is 9-10. Crazy bat ass fast is in the 8s and anything faster pretty much aint street legal.

 

[fbrdphreak]

Originally posted by: EliteRetard

14.2 is very respectable for a stock car...

Whoa! Wait were talking stock? How the ****** is 14sec 1/4mi respectable in any right? My ****** 4000lb 10ft long '96 LHS can do that or better. It cost 4500$ tax license ect out the door. And it gets 28MPG plus I can stuff 14 dead bodies in the trunk and 5 live ones inside. Very little modification (note: fixed air intake thats it). I dont have the dyno to prove it, but Ive put it up against your typical integras 300zs celicas crapped out civics focus ect and beat em all. And they run 14-15s too. Id say a respectable stock speed would be 11-12s. Fast is 9-10. Crazy bat ass fast is in the 8s and anything faster pretty much aint street legal.

Chrysler LHS, right? With the 3.5L V6? Have you run a quarter mile or are you just doin' it F&F style using the railroad track and a stopwatch? :roll: I had a 93 Concorde with the 3.3L. Less power, lighter car. The only way you'd have seen 14s would have been with a bullet train pushing you to the finish line.

And 9-10s quarter mile probably isn't street legal, 8s definitely isn't.

Now go unpause F&F and let the big boys play, okay?

EDIT Maybe the problem is that you think Integra's, Celica's, and Civic's run 14s quarter miles. For reference, my gf's 92 Camaro with 245HP/345TQ 5.7L V8 auto should run about 14s stock. You think a ~130-140HP high geared rice bucket will run that stock? Jeebus
Educate Yourself

 

[exdeath]

Toyota's 3S-GTE can make 260 HP stock with only 9 lbs boost, and they have seen 700 HP when fully built, with 2.0L I4 DOHC so I don't see anything special about this engine.

Also power to weight ratios mean nothing if the platform isn't made to hook it up. For example, there is an older Camry with a built 3.0L turbo V6 set up for about 450 HP. That car would weight about 2800 lbs. An '03 Cobra stock is 390 HP and 3700 lbs.

Seems the turbo Camry would be way faster, but its more than a whole second slower than a stock Cobra despite its power and weight advantage. Gotta look at the overall package.

Another example is the Focus with the '03 Cobra engine. The ETs got lower and lower as more people got into the car because the car was too light for that much power. Getting to 9-11 sec ETs you start to want the extra weight when you are having traction problems.

I don't know anything about the car mentioned here, but Im just saying in general there is more too it than numbers.

 

[DivideBYZero]

Originally posted by: exdeath
Toyota's 3S-GTE can make 260 HP stock with only 9 lbs boost, and they have seen 700 HP when fully built, with 2.0L I4 DOHC so I don't see anything special about this engine.

Also power to weight ratios mean nothing if the platform isn't made to hook it up. For example, there is an older Camry with a built 3.0L turbo V6 set up for about 450 HP. That car would weight about 2800 lbs. An '03 Cobra stock is 390 HP and 3700 lbs.

Seems the turbo Camry would be way faster, but its more than a whole second slower than a stock Cobra despite its power and weight advantage. Gotta look at the overall package.

Another example is the Focus with the '03 Cobra engine. The ETs got lower and lower as more people got into the car because the car was too light for that much power. Getting to 9-11 sec ETs you start to want the extra weight when you are having traction problems.

I don't know anything about the car mentioned here, but Im just saying in general there is more too it than numbers.

Um, yeah this car comes out of a Factory, not Pepboys.

 

[exdeath]

Originally posted by: DivideBYZero

Originally posted by: exdeath
Toyota's 3S-GTE can make 260 HP stock with only 9 lbs boost, and they have seen 700 HP when fully built, with 2.0L I4 DOHC so I don't see anything special about this engine.

Also power to weight ratios mean nothing if the platform isn't made to hook it up. For example, there is an older Camry with a built 3.0L turbo V6 set up for about 450 HP. That car would weight about 2800 lbs. An '03 Cobra stock is 390 HP and 3700 lbs.

Seems the turbo Camry would be way faster, but its more than a whole second slower than a stock Cobra despite its power and weight advantage. Gotta look at the overall package.

Another example is the Focus with the '03 Cobra engine. The ETs got lower and lower as more people got into the car because the car was too light for that much power. Getting to 9-11 sec ETs you start to want the extra weight when you are having traction problems.

I don't know anything about the car mentioned here, but Im just saying in general there is more too it than numbers.

Um, yeah this car comes out of a Factory, not Pepboys.

Factory stock rice?

 

[MikeMike]

Originally posted by: exdeath

Originally posted by: DivideBYZero

Originally posted by: exdeath
Toyota's 3S-GTE can make 260 HP stock with only 9 lbs boost, and they have seen 700 HP when fully built, with 2.0L I4 DOHC so I don't see anything special about this engine.

Also power to weight ratios mean nothing if the platform isn't made to hook it up. For example, there is an older Camry with a built 3.0L turbo V6 set up for about 450 HP. That car would weight about 2800 lbs. An '03 Cobra stock is 390 HP and 3700 lbs.

Seems the turbo Camry would be way faster, but its more than a whole second slower than a stock Cobra despite its power and weight advantage. Gotta look at the overall package.

Another example is the Focus with the '03 Cobra engine. The ETs got lower and lower as more people got into the car because the car was too light for that much power. Getting to 9-11 sec ETs you start to want the extra weight when you are having traction problems.

I don't know anything about the car mentioned here, but Im just saying in general there is more too it than numbers.

Um, yeah this car comes out of a Factory, not Pepboys.

Factory stock rice?

i dont consider it rice...

its called factory stock 2 door 2 seater roadster.

 

[Chadder007]

Originally posted by: CVSiN

Originally posted by: Demon-Xanth
That's a pretty flat curve. It weighs about 2600LBs iirc.

thats about the same as a stock 1986-1993 mustang 5.0 to put that into perspective..
and the power/torque is almost exact.. that should be a prtty peppy little fun to drive car.. specially at the pricepoint it is at.

The $10,000 "special paint prep" is what will ruin the pricepoint. :laugh:

 

[Chadder007]

Originally posted by: DanTMWTMP
i'm anxiously waiting for like the 2nd or 3rd year of this vehicle when they work out some of the kinks that i found in the sky forums. maybe even a 2nd gen? donno, the car has that certain charm that captured my heart the moment I saw it. I love what GM is doing lately.

I checked out a Sky that was a few months old.....the rubber seals around the car were rotting off the darn thing, especially around the convertable top.

 

[MikeMike]

Originally posted by: Chadder007

Originally posted by: DanTMWTMP
i'm anxiously waiting for like the 2nd or 3rd year of this vehicle when they work out some of the kinks that i found in the sky forums. maybe even a 2nd gen? donno, the car has that certain charm that captured my heart the moment I saw it. I love what GM is doing lately.

I checked out a Sky that was a few months old.....the rubber seals around the car were rotting off the darn thing, especially around the convertable top.

highly highly highly doubt that unless it was so imporperly cared for it wasnt funny.

no car manuf. will let that happen... the seals arent THAT different in differing cars.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: EliteRetard

14.2 is very respectable for a stock car...

Whoa! Wait were talking stock? How the ****** is 14sec 1/4mi respectable in any right? My ****** 4000lb 10ft long '96 LHS can do that or better. It cost 4500$ tax license ect out the door. And it gets 28MPG plus I can stuff 14 dead bodies in the trunk and 5 live ones inside. Very little modification (note: fixed air intake thats it). I dont have the dyno to prove it, but Ive put it up against your typical integras 300zs celicas crapped out civics focus ect and beat em all. And they run 14-15s too. Id say a respectable stock speed would be 11-12s. Fast is 9-10. Crazy bat ass fast is in the 8s and anything faster pretty much aint street legal.

There is no fvcking way a stock '96 Chrysler anything can do 14 sec in the 1/4 mile. First of all, it's a 10 year old, tired hunk of American junk (and a Chrysler at that). Second, it weighs 3600lbs and puts out 214hp to the front wheels. I'd be surprised if it could break 17 seconds in the 1/4 mile. Oh, and that car was rated at 18/26mpg.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: EliteRetard

14.2 is very respectable for a stock car...

Whoa! Wait were talking stock? How the ****** is 14sec 1/4mi respectable in any right? My ****** 4000lb 10ft long '96 LHS can do that or better. It cost 4500$ tax license ect out the door. And it gets 28MPG plus I can stuff 14 dead bodies in the trunk and 5 live ones inside. Very little modification (note: fixed air intake thats it). I dont have the dyno to prove it, but Ive put it up against your typical integras 300zs celicas crapped out civics focus ect and beat em all. And they run 14-15s too. Id say a respectable stock speed would be 11-12s. Fast is 9-10. Crazy bat ass fast is in the 8s and anything faster pretty much aint street legal.

Cocaine is a hell of drug. The only cars pulling 11's and 12's stock are Corvettes and exotics. And those aren't "respectable," those are fast. 9-10 seconds means 130-140 mph trap speed. For anything that runs the street, that is "crazy bat ass fast." At my local track's street legal drags, they won't allow anything that runs under 10.

Official times for the Sky Redline are 5.5 second 0-60 and 13.9 1/4-mile -- right in there with Evo, STI, Mustang GT, and Boxster times. C&D is not a reliable source.

 

[exdeath]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: EliteRetard

14.2 is very respectable for a stock car...

Whoa! Wait were talking stock? How the ****** is 14sec 1/4mi respectable in any right? My ****** 4000lb 10ft long '96 LHS can do that or better. It cost 4500$ tax license ect out the door. And it gets 28MPG plus I can stuff 14 dead bodies in the trunk and 5 live ones inside. Very little modification (note: fixed air intake thats it). I dont have the dyno to prove it, but Ive put it up against your typical integras 300zs celicas crapped out civics focus ect and beat em all. And they run 14-15s too. Id say a respectable stock speed would be 11-12s. Fast is 9-10. Crazy bat ass fast is in the 8s and anything faster pretty much aint street legal.

Cocaine is a hell of drug. The only cars pulling 11's and 12's stock are Corvettes and exotics. And those aren't "respectable," those are fast. 9-10 seconds means 130-140 mph trap speed. For anything that runs the street, that is "crazy bat ass fast." At my local track's street legal drags, they won't allow anything that runs under 10.

Official times for the Sky Redline are 5.5 second 0-60 and 13.9 1/4-mile -- right in there with Evo, STI, Mustang GT, and Boxster times. C&D is not a reliable source.

The '03 Cobra runs mid to high 12s stock, right along side the Z06 and Viper (theres like a .5 second difference between all three cars if I remember right). You can have the car for $30k and with $1000 in your pocket on the way home (basic pulley, chip, etc) you can break high 11s if you do something about the traction (IRS and not so good goodyear tires). A mere total $8,000 in upgrades (twin screw, heads, cams, exhaust, fuel) and tuning yeilds a 10 second car, all with a stock block and internals (factory stock with the best manley rods, 8.5 CR, etc)

Yeah it's crazy bat ass fast!

 

[Chadder007]

Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE

Originally posted by: Chadder007

Originally posted by: DanTMWTMP
i'm anxiously waiting for like the 2nd or 3rd year of this vehicle when they work out some of the kinks that i found in the sky forums. maybe even a 2nd gen? donno, the car has that certain charm that captured my heart the moment I saw it. I love what GM is doing lately.

I checked out a Sky that was a few months old.....the rubber seals around the car were rotting off the darn thing, especially around the convertable top.

highly highly highly doubt that unless it was so imporperly cared for it wasnt funny.

no car manuf. will let that happen... the seals arent THAT different in differing cars.

Everything else looked great. Paint, interior, .....just the rubber/plastic around the canvas where it connects to the car looked bad like it was dry rotting.

 

[swtethan]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: EliteRetard

14.2 is very respectable for a stock car...

Whoa! Wait were talking stock? How the ****** is 14sec 1/4mi respectable in any right? My ****** 4000lb 10ft long '96 LHS can do that or better. It cost 4500$ tax license ect out the door. And it gets 28MPG plus I can stuff 14 dead bodies in the trunk and 5 live ones inside. Very little modification (note: fixed air intake thats it). I dont have the dyno to prove it, but Ive put it up against your typical integras 300zs celicas crapped out civics focus ect and beat em all. And they run 14-15s too. Id say a respectable stock speed would be 11-12s. Fast is 9-10. Crazy bat ass fast is in the 8s and anything faster pretty much aint street legal.

Cocaine is a hell of drug. The only cars pulling 11's and 12's stock are Corvettes and exotics. And those aren't "respectable," those are fast. 9-10 seconds means 130-140 mph trap speed. For anything that runs the street, that is "crazy bat ass fast." At my local track's street legal drags, they won't allow anything that runs under 10.

Official times for the Sky Redline are 5.5 second 0-60 and 13.9 1/4-mile -- right in there with Evo, STI, Mustang GT, and Boxster times. C&D is not a reliable source.

e36 M3!

 

[shabby]

Originally posted by: Eli
Bleh..

Something a lot of you apparently need to realize is that.. basically, it's one thing to get numbers on a dyno...

It's something completely different to be able to get the same numbers with the same individual engine thousands of times.

It's [easier] to build a disposable engine that makes huge HP for its displacement; Massive power but it only lasts a few tens or maybe hundreds of hours before it needs to be overhauled.

If you notice, all throughout automotive history.. the more reliable the engine is in a stock setting, the more HP it can make through modifications before it breaks or needs modifications so significant that it couldn't be considered stock anymore.

Did you know that gm tests all their engines under full load for a 100 hours? Didnt think so...

 

[XZeroII]

Very nice!

 

[dandruff]

:thumbsdown:

 

[Xyclone]

The Red Line version looks great, it looks like they fixed some of the problems the original Sky had. I wanted to ask, does anyone actually have a Sky or driven one? My mom is considering buying it, and I really want to do research before she buys a brand new car. She is against all Japanese cars (she owned a lemon, Nissan, for 14 years and had to replace almost everything in it the first 2 years). I know this car is made by GM, which makes me uneasy, but we've owned a Saturn before, they are great cars. We currently own a Ford Winstar LX (2000), and a Toyota Tundra (2003). Apparently I am being forced to drive the Tundra, which is not a bad thing at all, I love that car, but would rather save my parent's money by buying myself a beater before I get to college, and maybe afterwards I can get a nice car. PM me if you have any Sky info. Btw she will end up buying an American or German car, so Japanese cars are not an option (I love Jap cars :heart: ). So any other suggestions <$30K would be greatly appreciated. The Sky RL we put together online came out to ~$30K. Thanks!

 

[theslickvik]

still hate the look