2004 Pontiac Grand Prix

[NFS4]

http://www.thecarconnection.com/index.asp?article=5833&sid=180&n=157

LOL at the big rectangular box for the radio/climate controls. Whatever happened to interior elegant styling and integration?

Speaking of options, the Comp G Package adds $1,395 to the GTP?s $26,495 sticker.

Hmmm, I think of a lot better cars for that money

 

[Rent]

Originally posted by: NFS4
http://www.thecarconnection.com/index.asp?article=5833&sid=180&n=157

LOL at the big rectangular box for the radio/climate controls. Whatever happened to interior elegant styling and integration?

Speaking of options, the Comp G Package adds $1,395 to the GTP?s $26,495 sticker.

Hmmm, I think of a lot better cars for that money

You can usually trim a lot off the dealer prices for those things

The interior is getting better... slowly...

Still one of the best drivetrains to date.

 

[Mani]

Wow, it's actually not flooded with Pontiac Orange all over the interior...

 

[NFS4]

Originally posted by: Rent

Originally posted by: NFS4
http://www.thecarconnection.com/index.asp?article=5833&sid=180&n=157

LOL at the big rectangular box for the radio/climate controls. Whatever happened to interior elegant styling and integration?

Speaking of options, the Comp G Package adds $1,395 to the GTP?s $26,495 sticker.

Hmmm, I think of a lot better cars for that money

You can usually trim a lot off the dealer prices for those things

The interior is getting better... slowly...

Still one of the best drivetrains to date.

Can't argue with the 3.8...but the rest of the car just doesn't really compete with today's offerings.

I'd gladly take a Mazda 6 or Accord V6 over this.

 

[Dudd]

It's just a revision, not an all new design, right? I wouldn't buy one yet, but at least they are getting better.

 

[CraigRT]

:Q my first reaction

:disgust: my second reaction

that interior is absolutely HIDEOUS.

 

[NFS4]

Originally posted by: Dudd
It's just a revision, not an all new design, right? I wouldn't buy one yet, but at least they are getting better.

Same platform from '97...just hacked and butchered to take it to '04 level standards

 

[psteng19]

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: Rent

Originally posted by: NFS4
http://www.thecarconnection.com/index.asp?article=5833&sid=180&n=157

LOL at the big rectangular box for the radio/climate controls. Whatever happened to interior elegant styling and integration?

Speaking of options, the Comp G Package adds $1,395 to the GTP?s $26,495 sticker.

Hmmm, I think of a lot better cars for that money

You can usually trim a lot off the dealer prices for those things

The interior is getting better... slowly...

Still one of the best drivetrains to date.

Can't argue with the 3.8...but the rest of the car just doesn't really compete with today's offerings.

I'd gladly take a Mazda 6 or Accord V6 over this.

I'm sorry, but Nissan's VQ will dominate the 3800 (peak and all over the torque curve).
200hp/225 ft.lbs from an NA 3.8 liter engine? It needs a supercharger in order to beat a 3.5 liter?
I'll take the Altima or even the fugly new Maxima over the GTP.
At least the new Max's interior is nice

 

[NFS4]

Originally posted by: psteng19

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: Rent

Originally posted by: NFS4
http://www.thecarconnection.com/index.asp?article=5833&sid=180&n=157

LOL at the big rectangular box for the radio/climate controls. Whatever happened to interior elegant styling and integration?

Speaking of options, the Comp G Package adds $1,395 to the GTP?s $26,495 sticker.

Hmmm, I think of a lot better cars for that money

You can usually trim a lot off the dealer prices for those things

The interior is getting better... slowly...

Still one of the best drivetrains to date.

Can't argue with the 3.8...but the rest of the car just doesn't really compete with today's offerings.

I'd gladly take a Mazda 6 or Accord V6 over this.

I'm sorry, but Nissan's VQ will dominate the 3800 (peak and all over the torque curve).
200hp/225 ft.lbs from an NA 3.8 liter engine?
I'll take the fugly new Maxima over the GTP.

The supercharged GTP makes 280HP and 280 lb-ft of torque. Can't argue with that and WHO CARES HOW IT MAKES IT HORSEPOWER?? The 3.8 is bulletproof.

 

[psteng19]

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: psteng19

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: Rent

Originally posted by: NFS4
http://www.thecarconnection.com/index.asp?article=5833&sid=180&n=157

LOL at the big rectangular box for the radio/climate controls. Whatever happened to interior elegant styling and integration?

Speaking of options, the Comp G Package adds $1,395 to the GTP?s $26,495 sticker.

Hmmm, I think of a lot better cars for that money

You can usually trim a lot off the dealer prices for those things

The interior is getting better... slowly...

Still one of the best drivetrains to date.

Can't argue with the 3.8...but the rest of the car just doesn't really compete with today's offerings.

I'd gladly take a Mazda 6 or Accord V6 over this.

I'm sorry, but Nissan's VQ will dominate the 3800 (peak and all over the torque curve).
200hp/225 ft.lbs from an NA 3.8 liter engine?
I'll take the fugly new Maxima over the GTP.

The supercharged GTP makes 280HP and 280 lb-ft of torque. Can't argue with that and WHO CARES HOW IT MAKES IT HORSEPOWER?? The 3.8 is bulletproof.

I think you mean 260/280 (again, from a supercharged 3.8 liter).
The VQ in the Z makes 287/274 from a 3.5 liter.
The VQ has less displacement, is naturally aspirated, while at the same time outputs more hp and almost same torque... talk about bulletproof!
And you might care how the power is produced because you haven't even slapped on a super/turbo the VQ for more potential.
I don't know much about the 3800 but I think we have a clear winner hear.

 

[LAUST]

the Comp G Package adds $1,395 to the GTP?s $26,495 sticker.

almost $30 G's for a fuggin regular old car... yeah right, thats a ripoff

 

[isekii]

i'll take the Mazda 6 anyday over it

 

[NFS4]

Originally posted by: psteng19

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: psteng19

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: Rent

Originally posted by: NFS4
http://www.thecarconnection.com/index.asp?article=5833&sid=180&n=157

LOL at the big rectangular box for the radio/climate controls. Whatever happened to interior elegant styling and integration?

Speaking of options, the Comp G Package adds $1,395 to the GTP?s $26,495 sticker.

Hmmm, I think of a lot better cars for that money

You can usually trim a lot off the dealer prices for those things

The interior is getting better... slowly...

Still one of the best drivetrains to date.

Can't argue with the 3.8...but the rest of the car just doesn't really compete with today's offerings.

I'd gladly take a Mazda 6 or Accord V6 over this.

I'm sorry, but Nissan's VQ will dominate the 3800 (peak and all over the torque curve).
200hp/225 ft.lbs from an NA 3.8 liter engine?
I'll take the fugly new Maxima over the GTP.

The supercharged GTP makes 280HP and 280 lb-ft of torque. Can't argue with that and WHO CARES HOW IT MAKES IT HORSEPOWER?? The 3.8 is bulletproof.

I think you mean 260/280 (again, from a supercharged 3.8 liter).
The VQ in the Z makes 287/274 from a 3.5 liter.
The VQ has less displacement, naturally aspirated, more hp and almost same torque... talk about bulletproof!

Does it matter? All that matters in the end is the power output.

The GTP makes 280HP at 5200 and 280 lb-ft @ 3600 RPM
The 3.5 in the 350Z makes 287HP at 6200 RPM and 274 lb-ft @ 4800 RPM

The 3.8 makes it power at much lower revs

 

[slider64]

not a fan

 

[Syringer]

Originally posted by: psteng19

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: psteng19

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: Rent

Originally posted by: NFS4
http://www.thecarconnection.com/index.asp?article=5833&sid=180&n=157

LOL at the big rectangular box for the radio/climate controls. Whatever happened to interior elegant styling and integration?

Speaking of options, the Comp G Package adds $1,395 to the GTP?s $26,495 sticker.

Hmmm, I think of a lot better cars for that money

You can usually trim a lot off the dealer prices for those things

The interior is getting better... slowly...

Still one of the best drivetrains to date.

Can't argue with the 3.8...but the rest of the car just doesn't really compete with today's offerings.

I'd gladly take a Mazda 6 or Accord V6 over this.

I'm sorry, but Nissan's VQ will dominate the 3800 (peak and all over the torque curve).
200hp/225 ft.lbs from an NA 3.8 liter engine?
I'll take the fugly new Maxima over the GTP.

The supercharged GTP makes 280HP and 280 lb-ft of torque. Can't argue with that and WHO CARES HOW IT MAKES IT HORSEPOWER?? The 3.8 is bulletproof.

I think you mean 260/280 (again, from a supercharged 3.8 liter).
The VQ in the Z makes 287/274 from a 3.5 liter.
The VQ has less displacement, is naturally aspirated, while at the same time outputs more hp and almost same torque (possibly more, Nissan underrated the torque numbers)... talk about bulletproof!
And you might care how the power is produced because you haven't even slapped on a super/turbo the VQ for more potential.
I don't know much about the 3800 but I think we have a clear winner hear.

HP/liter is THE most meaningless measurement of a car. And to compare a sports car tuned engine to a family sedan tuned engine is ridiculous.

That being said, a GTP would be near the top of my list on cars to get, but I would give the edge to an Altima..but the GTP is bigger, which to me is important in a sedan, and you get plenty more torque to play with.

I wonder what the modding potential of this car is. With the old Grand Prix's, slapping in a smaller $70 s/c pulley got you about 25-30 hp, and an intake adds about 5 more as well.

 

[KGB1]

I think you mean 260/280 (again, from a supercharged 3.8 liter).
The VQ in the Z makes 287/274 from a 3.5 liter.
The VQ has less displacement, naturally aspirated, while at the same time outputs more hp and almost same torque (possibly more, Nissan underrated the torque numbers)... talk about bulletproof!
Wait until you FI the VQ. I think we have a clear winner hear.

I've driven my dads 95 bonneville (205hp/230lb tq) in HS, until I got my own dumb gm...
The 3.8 is awsome engine, though it get hot very quickly, develops problems down the road. It has awsome pickup, on the highway its cool.. for a FWD car anyway. They should really give the 3.8 a rest and use the 3.5's in Impala's (basic version) and build on that engine.

GM first and foremost are heavy SOB's. I don't think this "new" grand prix is any exception either. I'd rather get a GrandAm(with RamAir) if its a GM I am wanting now. Maxima owns this car dowright, even the new Altima would kill this thing. I thought GM was bringing back the GTO? Why did they revamp the Grand Prix line up? A ..camry V6 can compete with the GM 3.8 now.

I also saw a 280hp/300+lb tq Bonneville FWD :Q at the NYC car show last year, was in standard condition. Looks like GM raised the Supercharged from 240hp to 260hp and had trouble getting the 280 to funtion well.

Also the only GM I'd consider buying in the future is a '05 Bonneville. 4.4L V8 RWD is.. sooo.. tempting

 

[CraigRT]

Does it matter? All that matters in the end is the power output.
The GTP makes 280HP at 5200 and 280 lb-ft @ 3600 RPM
The 3.5 in the 350Z makes 287HP at 6200 RPM and 274 lb-ft @ 4800 RPM
The 3.8 makes it power at much lower revs

Does it matter? there is nothing saying the powerband of the 350Z isn't good... my car gets good power through the entire powerband (better than equivalent Civics for example) but gets it's max HP at 5,600 RPM. peak power at a certain RPM really doesn't mean much... IMO. the 350Z will definitely outrun the stock GTP, so past that point.. who even cares?

 

[NFS4]

Originally posted by: Yield

Does it matter? All that matters in the end is the power output.
The GTP makes 280HP at 5200 and 280 lb-ft @ 3600 RPM
The 3.5 in the 350Z makes 287HP at 6200 RPM and 274 lb-ft @ 4800 RPM
The 3.8 makes it power at much lower revs

Does it matter? there is nothing saying the powerband of the 350Z isn't good... my car gets good power through the entire powerband (better than equivalent Civics for example) but gets it's max HP at 5,600 RPM. peak power at a certain RPM really doesn't mean much... IMO. the 350Z will definitely outrun the stock GTP, so past that point.. who even cares?

I was just making the point that just b/c the GTP engine is supercharged doesn't mean it's crap

 

[KGB1]

Originally posted by: Yield

Does it matter? All that matters in the end is the power output.
The GTP makes 280HP at 5200 and 280 lb-ft @ 3600 RPM
The 3.5 in the 350Z makes 287HP at 6200 RPM and 274 lb-ft @ 4800 RPM
The 3.8 makes it power at much lower revs

Does it matter? there is nothing saying the powerband of the 350Z isn't good... my car gets good power through the entire powerband (better than equivalent Civics for example) but gets it's max HP at 5,600 RPM. peak power at a certain RPM really doesn't mean much... IMO. the 350Z will definitely outrun the stock GTP, so past that point.. who even cares?

Good point, also when you reach 60mph on the 3.8, you have to really FLOOR it to make it to 70mph. The engine gives up after that, low RPM engine/transmission are good in long highway trips. City driving could use a high rpm engine so not all the power is wasted going from one red light to another. It kinda makes the car uneconomical.

 

[LAUST]

The GTP 3.8 is 8.5:1 compression ratio stock, if I remember right it's running 7psi of boost from a roots style (Eaton)... thats plenty of room to be reliable as is. Eaton's also last forever, you can put on a bigger crank pulley for a lb or 2 more safely still too.

the 3.5 in the Z is 10.3:1 compression... all boost does is raise the compression ratio, it's the same concept, more air + more fuel = more power... PERIOD

Doing it reliable is a VERY big thing to consider, but as stated, Roots type blowers are found in MANY OEM's for a reason, they are reliable and cheap to rebuild.

 

[Syringer]

Originally posted by: Yield

Does it matter? All that matters in the end is the power output.
The GTP makes 280HP at 5200 and 280 lb-ft @ 3600 RPM
The 3.5 in the 350Z makes 287HP at 6200 RPM and 274 lb-ft @ 4800 RPM
The 3.8 makes it power at much lower revs

Does it matter? there is nothing saying the powerband of the 350Z isn't good... my car gets good power through the entire powerband (better than equivalent Civics for example) but gets it's max HP at 5,600 RPM. peak power at a certain RPM really doesn't mean much... IMO. the 350Z will definitely outrun the stock GTP, so past that point.. who even cares?

Wow, a sports car can outrun a family car.

Next let's compare minivans and airplanes :disgust:

 

[Howard]

Originally posted by: Syringer

Originally posted by: psteng19

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: psteng19

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: Rent

Originally posted by: NFS4
http://www.thecarconnection.com/index.asp?article=5833&sid=180&n=157

LOL at the big rectangular box for the radio/climate controls. Whatever happened to interior elegant styling and integration?

Speaking of options, the Comp G Package adds $1,395 to the GTP?s $26,495 sticker.

Hmmm, I think of a lot better cars for that money

You can usually trim a lot off the dealer prices for those things

The interior is getting better... slowly...

Still one of the best drivetrains to date.

Can't argue with the 3.8...but the rest of the car just doesn't really compete with today's offerings.

I'd gladly take a Mazda 6 or Accord V6 over this.

I'm sorry, but Nissan's VQ will dominate the 3800 (peak and all over the torque curve).
200hp/225 ft.lbs from an NA 3.8 liter engine?
I'll take the fugly new Maxima over the GTP.

The supercharged GTP makes 280HP and 280 lb-ft of torque. Can't argue with that and WHO CARES HOW IT MAKES IT HORSEPOWER?? The 3.8 is bulletproof.

I think you mean 260/280 (again, from a supercharged 3.8 liter).
The VQ in the Z makes 287/274 from a 3.5 liter.
The VQ has less displacement, is naturally aspirated, while at the same time outputs more hp and almost same torque (possibly more, Nissan underrated the torque numbers)... talk about bulletproof!
And you might care how the power is produced because you haven't even slapped on a super/turbo the VQ for more potential.
I don't know much about the 3800 but I think we have a clear winner hear.

HP/liter is THE most meaningless measurement of a car. And to compare a sports car tuned engine to a family sedan tuned engine is ridiculous.

That being said, a GTP would be near the top of my list on cars to get, but I would give the edge to an Altima..but the GTP is bigger, which to me is important in a sedan, and you get plenty more torque to play with.

I wonder what the modding potential of this car is. With the old Grand Prix's, slapping in a smaller $70 s/c pulley got you about 25-30 hp, and an intake adds about 5 more as well.

HP/L does say a bit about the engineering.

 

[KGB1]

Originally posted by: Syringer

Originally posted by: Yield

Does it matter? All that matters in the end is the power output.
The GTP makes 280HP at 5200 and 280 lb-ft @ 3600 RPM
The 3.5 in the 350Z makes 287HP at 6200 RPM and 274 lb-ft @ 4800 RPM
The 3.8 makes it power at much lower revs

Does it matter? there is nothing saying the powerband of the 350Z isn't good... my car gets good power through the entire powerband (better than equivalent Civics for example) but gets it's max HP at 5,600 RPM. peak power at a certain RPM really doesn't mean much... IMO. the 350Z will definitely outrun the stock GTP, so past that point.. who even cares?

Wow, a sports car can outrun a family car.

Next let's compare minivans and airplanes :disgust:

Umm... GM classifies Pontiac as the "sporty" line up of their cars.
Bonneville = Sports Sedan
Grand Prix = Sports Mid Size
Grand Am = Sports (dunno what class)
Sunfire = Sports Compact.
You see... its not your grandma's oldmobile.

 

[Syringer]

Originally posted by: KGB


Good point, also when you reach 60mph on the 3.8, you have to really FLOOR it to make it to 70mph. The engine gives up after that, low RPM engine/transmission are good in long highway trips. City driving could use a high rpm engine so not all the power is wasted going from one red light to another. It kinda makes the car uneconomical.

Having lots of low power is much better in city driving. It allows you to actually make use of power, rather than having to rev it up to the sky to actually feel it. That's one of the main complaints of the S2k.

 

[LAUST]

Originally posted by: Howard

Originally posted by: Syringer

Originally posted by: psteng19

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: psteng19

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: Rent

Originally posted by: NFS4
http://www.thecarconnection.com/index.asp?article=5833&sid=180&n=157

LOL at the big rectangular box for the radio/climate controls. Whatever happened to interior elegant styling and integration?

Speaking of options, the Comp G Package adds $1,395 to the GTP?s $26,495 sticker.

Hmmm, I think of a lot better cars for that money

You can usually trim a lot off the dealer prices for those things

The interior is getting better... slowly...

Still one of the best drivetrains to date.

Can't argue with the 3.8...but the rest of the car just doesn't really compete with today's offerings.

I'd gladly take a Mazda 6 or Accord V6 over this.

I'm sorry, but Nissan's VQ will dominate the 3800 (peak and all over the torque curve).
200hp/225 ft.lbs from an NA 3.8 liter engine?
I'll take the fugly new Maxima over the GTP.

The supercharged GTP makes 280HP and 280 lb-ft of torque. Can't argue with that and WHO CARES HOW IT MAKES IT HORSEPOWER?? The 3.8 is bulletproof.

I think you mean 260/280 (again, from a supercharged 3.8 liter).
The VQ in the Z makes 287/274 from a 3.5 liter.
The VQ has less displacement, is naturally aspirated, while at the same time outputs more hp and almost same torque (possibly more, Nissan underrated the torque numbers)... talk about bulletproof!
And you might care how the power is produced because you haven't even slapped on a super/turbo the VQ for more potential.
I don't know much about the 3800 but I think we have a clear winner hear.

HP/liter is THE most meaningless measurement of a car. And to compare a sports car tuned engine to a family sedan tuned engine is ridiculous.

That being said, a GTP would be near the top of my list on cars to get, but I would give the edge to an Altima..but the GTP is bigger, which to me is important in a sedan, and you get plenty more torque to play with.

I wonder what the modding potential of this car is. With the old Grand Prix's, slapping in a smaller $70 s/c pulley got you about 25-30 hp, and an intake adds about 5 more as well.

HP/L does say a bit about the engineering.

efficiancy and reliability say a zillion times more.

I can make a 125cc 2 stroke produce in the THOUSANDS of HP/Liter... at the end of a 1 day racing event the Ring and Piston are wasted.

Edit: I am full of typo's tonight.... yes more then usual