2004 GTO - Up to 405 HP!

[lRageATMl]

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: lRageATMl
if you really think the 405hp version of the GTO will sell for lower 30K's then you must be out of your mind...i would think more in the upward 30k's to lower 40k's.

and no it still would not make sense for GM to do that. They will cut into the vette's market share greatly...

and for everyone who thinks FORD will be owned...tell me why when teh camaro and all the other ls1's were out sold by the mustang by a margin of 10 - 1 (or something ridiclous like that)? Why do you think the ls1 has put to retirement? Don't get me wrong, the ls1, lt1, and ls6 are amazing motors...but motors aren't everythiing.

I guess the public has no clue what they are doing 😉

1) The ratio was the Mustang outselling the Camaro and Firebird combined 3:1
2) The '93 + Camaros always whooped the Mustang in performance (save for the Mustang R).

so 3-1...still a big differance.

And I am not saying that the camaro is a bad car, GM cars have always had good engines...my point is that the engine is not all that counts. there's many more things that go into it. Hell if performance is all I wanted I would of bought a focus and stuck a cobra's engine in there and converted to AWD. get my drift?

 

[Cfour]

Right but now when I hear the word mustang I think of a chick in the V6 model rollin around town. Most of the stangs sold are in fact V6 and that just ruins the name.

 

[iam4u2nv]

At least the stang got rid of that 4 banger. I would love to have the GTO. If it does come in low 30 then I will enter the drawing I am sure they will have at the dealer to sell the couple of cars that are not driven by top sales guys or execs. I hate that when I see this sweet car and it is driven by exec then sold as demo. Errr

 

[Cfour]

Originally posted by: iam4u2nv
At least the stang got rid of that 4 banger. I would love to have the GTO. If it does come in low 30 then I will enter the drawing I am sure they will have at the dealer to sell the couple of cars that are not driven by top sales guys or execs. I hate that when I see this sweet car and it is driven by exec then sold as demo. Errr

Ya I also hope to get a GTO sometime down the line - maybe '07? Heh its a ways away, but as long as it lives up to its hype (so far it has with people being very impressed by the quality of the AUS version - Monaro) I will have a loaded one to hang onto until I die. I think I read somewhere that each dealer will get roughly 2 GTOs the first year?

Tony

 

[KokomoGST]

Originally posted by: SuperSix
Again, Ford will get their ass handed to them. 😀

Yet another reason for Ford to also start drawing from their pool of great cars from overseas... like the Ford Falcon XR6 Turbo...

HOLY Grand National Batman!!! 😀

If the GTO does well mebbe that will learn Ford not to keep the good cars they have away from US shores!

 

[Cfour]

Originally posted by: KokomoGST

Originally posted by: SuperSix
Again, Ford will get their ass handed to them. 😀

Yet another reason for Ford to also start drawing from their pool of great cars from overseas... like the Ford Falcon XR6 Turbo...

HOLY Grand National Batman!!! 😀

If the GTO does well mebbe that will learn Ford not to keep the good cars they have away from US shores!

I think Ford should definately start looking to it's other divisions (Volvo/Jaguar).. caus they're obviously not doing something right with all the recalls lately. Hell, I'm not a Mazda fan but the RX-8 and the Mp6 (is that it's name?) look pretty damn promising.

Tony

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: lRageATMl
if you really think the 405hp version of the GTO will sell for lower 30K's then you must be out of your mind...i would think more in the upward 30k's to lower 40k's.

and no it still would not make sense for GM to do that. They will cut into the vette's market share greatly...

and for everyone who thinks FORD will be owned...tell me why when teh camaro and all the other ls1's were out sold by the mustang by a margin of 10 - 1 (or something ridiclous like that)? Why do you think the ls1 has put to retirement? Don't get me wrong, the ls1, lt1, and ls6 are amazing motors...but motors aren't everythiing.

I guess the public has no clue what they are doing 😉

1) The ratio was the Mustang outselling the Camaro and Firebird combined 3:1
2) The '93 + Camaros always whooped the Mustang in performance (save for the Mustang R).

That would be the Cobra R not "Mustang R" and you are still wrong. Compare 93 and up cobras to the LT1 and get back to me. The 93+ Cobras beat the F-Bodies until 1998.

NFS4=Owned.

405HP=Not that big of a deal anymore in today's car world. Take a look at this years Cobra and this years Z06.

 

[Adul]

ah yes another car debate 😛

 

[Babbles]

Originally posted by: Millennium


NFS4=Owned.

405HP=Not that big of a deal anymore in today's car world. Take a look at this years Cobra and this years Z06.

Yes, because as we know now the market us just flooded with 400+HP cars that sell for $30+K.

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: Babbles

Originally posted by: Millennium


NFS4=Owned.

405HP=Not that big of a deal anymore in today's car world. Take a look at this years Cobra and this years Z06.

Yes, because as we know now the market us just flooded with 400+HP cars that sell for $30+K.

It is becoming that way yes.

 

[LAUST]

Originally posted by: Cfour
Right but now when I hear the word mustang I think of a chick in the V6 model rollin around town. Most of the stangs sold are in fact V6 and that just ruins the name.

Then you are thinking Colt not Mustang... There is a difference between "Image" car and the "Real" car. True mustang fan's buy the GT or Cobra, while people who want to be seen in a "Stang" by the V6 image mobile.... Don't let an engine version confuse you.

 

[Babbles]

Originally posted by: Millennium

Originally posted by: Babbles

Originally posted by: Millennium


NFS4=Owned.

405HP=Not that big of a deal anymore in today's car world. Take a look at this years Cobra and this years Z06.

Yes, because as we know now the market us just flooded with 400+HP cars that sell for $30+K.

It is becoming that way yes.

You think so?

Okay, for instance I live in the Dallas/Fort Worth (DFW) area in North Texas. I guess we have a population around 9 million, which I think is a pretty decent sample size.
In my daily drives I do not see too many cars like a Mustang SVT Cobra, Camaro Z28 or SS. Sure, I see a few a day, but not that many.
Most of the 'sport' cars I see are the V6 versions of them. Add to that the majority of cars I see are sedan types.

But, hold on. The new SVT Cobra is blown at 390HP and the Camaro SS (2002) is NA at 350HP.

That means even if you see many of those cars, they do not cross that 405HP barrier (stock that is).

So, off the top of my head, that leaves very few cars in the 400+ range that a typcial person may be able to afford. I don't think most will buy an Aston Martin, Ferrari, Lamborghini, Porsche 911 Turbo, etc.

What does that leave us? Corvettes and Vipers, unless I am missing one. Even the BMW M5, according to their website, is rated at 394HP.

So, my point is unless you are telling me that the majority of vehicles on the road are Vettes and Vipers with the odd luxory sports cars in there I think you are either a) Very wrong or b) living in a very, very affluent city.

 

[Pocatello]

Isn't the GTO an Austrailian built car with a GM engine? I like it.

 

[Shantanu]

Isn't the GTO an Austrailian built car with a GM engine?

The GTO is built off the same platform as the old Cadillac Catera. It'll have an LS6. Holden, like Opel, is a wholly owned subsidiary of GM.

 

[fastz28]

Compare 93 and up cobras to the LT1 and get back to me. The 93+ Cobras beat the F-Bodies until 1998.

Wow, care to back that up with real data? IIRC, it's the other way around. The 93+ F-bodies beat the Cobra until 1998. And then Ford got sued for over rating Cobras' HP number. IMHO, Ford has always overrated the HP # while GM underrated HP #. I have never seen a stock Cobra beats a stock F-body at the track (of same year vintage) until 2003. But then, Cobra got blown for 2003.

 

[Cfour]

Originally posted by: Millennium

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: lRageATMl
if you really think the 405hp version of the GTO will sell for lower 30K's then you must be out of your mind...i would think more in the upward 30k's to lower 40k's.

and no it still would not make sense for GM to do that. They will cut into the vette's market share greatly...

and for everyone who thinks FORD will be owned...tell me why when teh camaro and all the other ls1's were out sold by the mustang by a margin of 10 - 1 (or something ridiclous like that)? Why do you think the ls1 has put to retirement? Don't get me wrong, the ls1, lt1, and ls6 are amazing motors...but motors aren't everythiing.

I guess the public has no clue what they are doing 😉

1) The ratio was the Mustang outselling the Camaro and Firebird combined 3:1
2) The '93 + Camaros always whooped the Mustang in performance (save for the Mustang R).

That would be the Cobra R not "Mustang R" and you are still wrong. Compare 93 and up cobras to the LT1 and get back to me. The 93+ Cobras beat the F-Bodies until 1998.

NFS4=Owned.

405HP=Not that big of a deal anymore in today's car world. Take a look at this years Cobra and this years Z06.

Lol not that big of a deal? Your precious Cobra had it's construction halted and even thats not over 400HP. The Z06 is $20k more than the GTO.. id like to find another car with this much HP for the $30-$35k range.....

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: fastz28

Compare 93 and up cobras to the LT1 and get back to me. The 93+ Cobras beat the F-Bodies until 1998.

Wow, care to back that up with real data? IIRC, it's the other way around. The 93+ F-bodies beat the Cobra until 1998. And then Ford got sued for over rating Cobras' HP number. IMHO, Ford has always overrated the HP # while GM underrated HP #. I have never seen a stock Cobra beats a stock F-body at the track (of same year vintage) until 2003. But then, Cobra got blown for 2003.

You can continue to cry about the fact that GM discontinued the Fbody all day long. Yes I hated it too, but I don't go around bitching about. Of course they blew the 03 Cobra. Who is arguing that? Why was Ford able to blow the 03 and GM could not blow the LS1 or the LS6? Compression. Yes the Cobra beat the F-body until 98. I saw stock cobras beat f-bodies and I saw GTs did it as well. I used to go to the track every weekend until about a year ago. What real data do you want? If you start quoting magazine numbers then I can't argue with a fool. I am dealing with real life numbers.

I guess you think every LS1 F-body runs 12's stock don't you?

BTW, WTF cares how GM or Ford "rates" fvcking HP. All I care about is track results and not only that HP is not the magic number anyway. You are discounting torque and WEIGHT. The Fox Body and the SN-95 both way less than the F-body. I can't argue with you because you obviously have biased opinions. I base mine on fact but you have your manufacturer leanings.

The Cobra got blown for 03 and the F-body got trashed. BFD. BTW, Ford didn't get sued for the intake and exhaust problems in 99. The voluntarily recalled the cars. Keep reading your GM magazines and blueovalnews. When you get a clue get back to me and we can talk then. Until then I am not going to waste my time.

 

[ultimatebob]

How much is the gas guzzler tax on one of these babies? With that much horsepower, I'll bet that this car will average 9 MPG, 10 if you're lucky 🙂

 

[BadNewsBears]

I crap on the new gto. I can scan my paper I did on it last year. Lots of info at http://www.ultimategto.com . 1970 with a 455 SD poppin out 580-600 with a holley on it. (soon)

 

[BadNewsBears]

Hope they can import enough of these fake a** wanbees (There Holden Moaros with a namechange) form ...AUSSIE!!!!!!!!

 

[vi edit]

Originally posted by: ultimatebob
How much is the gas guzzler tax on one of these babies? With that much horsepower, I'll bet that this car will average 9 MPG, 10 if you're lucky 🙂

The 6spd Vette's with just a smidgen under this HP make about 28 MPG on regular pump fuel. Gotta love that "touring" gear 🙂

 

[MinorityReport]

Still a low quality Pontiac ................ make a high end corvette for god's sake .. a supercar we ameicans will be all proud of.

A yankee MCLaren .. come on ...

 

[WinkOsmosis]

Originally posted by: Munchies
Hope they can import enough of these fake a** wanbees (There Holden Moaros with a namechange) form ...AUSSIE!!!!!!!!

You know Australia has a more illustrious muscle car history than the USA right?

 

[vi edit]

You can continue to cry about the fact that GM discontinued the Fbody all day long. Yes I hated it too, but I don't go around bitching about. Of course they blew the 03 Cobra. Who is arguing that? Why was Ford able to blow the 03 and GM could not blow the LS1 or the LS6? Compression. Yes the Cobra beat the F-body until 98. I saw stock cobras beat f-bodies and I saw GTs did it as well. I used to go to the track every weekend until about a year ago. What real data do you want? If you start quoting magazine numbers then I can't argue with a fool. I am dealing with real life numbers.

The Mustang beat out the FBodies because it was a much easier vehicle to live with. More comfortable, smaller, shorter turning radius, better looking(subjective), and had arguably a better interior.

The Fbodies were balls out performance cars with the V8's in them. With the V6, they were underpowered boats. Big, bulky, uncomfortable, and really not much to look at.

Mustang beat chevy/pontiac at easier to drive vehicles.

 

[BadNewsBears]

Yes I do know that. I also know that I want a true GTO not a Monaro who just managed to get the name of the Tin Indian or Grand Turismo Omologato .They could never, ever bring back the GTO!