2004 Cadillac XLR

[Sunner]

1/4 Miles, you're looking at about a .7 sec difference (14.4 - 15.1 I believe, but don't have my C&D near to verify). I can't remember 0-60, but that .7 sec difference in the quarter is HUGE. It all comes down to what you can get for the money.. and in the performance aspect (which I care about) definately goes to the XLR.

Looks and feeling also has a little something to do with it.
Of course that's very subjective, and personally, I don't like the Merc SL500 much either, looks too boring.
I'd take an E39 M5 over either of these anyday.
Heck I'd take a 540i over the Caddy monstrosity too for that matter.

There are two major faults with every damn car Caddy has puked up lately:
* The whole "Science and Art" thing, give it up, it looks like cheap $hit, even a damn Jetta looks more refined.
* Caddy...well it's Caddy.

 

[Cfour]

Originally posted by: rubenswm

Originally posted by: Cfour

Originally posted by: rubenswm
I step in the right direction along with the CTS..that new SRX sedan looks pretty sweet too.
Personally i'd dish out another 10g's for the SL- but quite honestly if I had 75-100k to spend on a car neither of these would be in my radar screen.

Why would you be so compelled to buy a car for $10k more that not only doesn't out-perform the Cadillac, but also ranks lower in Initial quality rankings Caddy #2 - Benz #10+?)

If you're judging cars strictly on performance why not buy a Z06 which is cheaper and performs better?
If I was arrogant enough to drive one of these two cars I'd probably buy one every few years. The resale on a SL500 would be significantly higher than on tha XLR.

Am I? A luxo convertable is much different than al all-out sports car, but I'd care about performance in any type of car that I care about. Performance isn't everything, but it tops my list. And I doubt you have to be arrogant drive a car such as the SL500 or the XLR. The SL500 will probably have a better resale value than the XLR, but if you really buy a car and think about selling it, then "whatever floats your boat". I doubt you will be driving your 3rd-4th car, and probably a weekend driver at that, many miles a year. My guess is that a lot of people will hang on to these cars, and at least past the point where resale takes the biggest hit (first couple years). Cadillac is only pumping out 5k of these a year, and claims to have a waiting list already. So the interest is there, and I'm not so sure resale will be a huge issue with this type of car.

 

[Cfour]

Originally posted by: Sunner

* Caddy...well it's Caddy.

Gotta love it when thats pretty much the only thing people can rip on an American car for. Times are changing my friend, and Cadillac is leading that change.

 

[isekii]

Originally posted by: Cfour

Originally posted by: Sunner

* Caddy...well it's Caddy.

Gotta love it when thats pretty much the only thing people can rip on an American car for. Times are changing my friend, and Cadillac is leading that change.

What changes ?
They basically have the same look for almost every frigging vehicle.

Escalade, CTS, now this car, and even the Pickup truck escalade.

What gives ?
Why all the same looks ?
Pretty boring if you ask me

 

[Mr.IncrediblyBored]

As opposed to Mercedes that has a lineup full of unique vehicles.

 

[isekii]

Originally posted by: KnightBreed
As opposed to Mercedes that has a lineup full of unique vehicles.

They do have the round headlights.. but it's much more improvement over the Cadillacks boxy look.

 

[NFS4]

I think it's a worthy competitor to the SL. And quite frankly, if someone can AFFORD an XLR, they can AFFORD to pay $10,000 more for an SL.

That being said, I'd go for the SL. It looks 10 times better than that boxy XLR which looks like it stepped out of 1985. The interior does look nice though.

I wish that Chrysler would produce this:

http://www.cardesignnews.com/events/detroit2000/features/chrysler-300hemi.html

It looks better than either the SL or the XLR.

 

[rubenswm]

Originally posted by: Cfour

Originally posted by: rubenswm

Originally posted by: Cfour

Originally posted by: rubenswm
I step in the right direction along with the CTS..that new SRX sedan looks pretty sweet too.
Personally i'd dish out another 10g's for the SL- but quite honestly if I had 75-100k to spend on a car neither of these would be in my radar screen.

Why would you be so compelled to buy a car for $10k more that not only doesn't out-perform the Cadillac, but also ranks lower in Initial quality rankings Caddy #2 - Benz #10+?)

If you're judging cars strictly on performance why not buy a Z06 which is cheaper and performs better?
If I was arrogant enough to drive one of these two cars I'd probably buy one every few years. The resale on a SL500 would be significantly higher than on tha XLR.

Am I? A luxo convertable is much different than al all-out sports car, but I'd care about performance in any type of car that I care about. Performance isn't everything, but it tops my list. And I doubt you have to be arrogant drive a car such as the SL500 or the XLR. The SL500 will probably have a better resale value than the XLR, but if you really buy a car and think about selling it, then "whatever floats your boat". I doubt you will be driving your 3rd-4th car, and probably a weekend driver at that, many miles a year. My guess is that a lot of people will hang on to these cars, and at least past the point where resale takes the biggest hit (first couple years). Cadillac is only pumping out 5k of these a year, and claims to have a waiting list already. So the interest is there, and I'm not so sure resale will be a huge issue with this type of car.

If performance is at the top of your list the XLR or SL500 shouldn't be.
.
As far as the "arrogant" factor it is definitely there with a car like the XLR or SL500. Neither of these cars do anything very impressive. You can't tell me that 75-85k went into engineering the "perfect mix of luxury and performance." It's priced at 75-85 for rich people to buy and try to flaunt their stuff. A car like the SL or XLR isn't about performance OR luxury. It's about showing your stuff off- there are more luxorious cars out there and better performing cars out there for more money. In this sense benz is definitely a lot higher up the "status quo" than cadillac. Even cars like BMW's are considered "so-so" by the types of people who are looking to buy these types of cars. Point being, if I was some stupid celebrity trying to show my stuff off, the benz would bring in a lot more wow and head turning than the XLR.
.
As far as resale value, it's not about what floats peoples boats, It's about common sense. When you buy an asset like a car (especially when its worth more than most peoples houses) you want it to hold its value over time. If I'm spending $85,000 on an item, in 5 years when whatever the hot new car is out, i'd rather pocket 60k than 30k. The XLR and SL500 arent enthusiast cars. They both suck, but for the arrogant buyer who wants to show his stuff off and turn some heads, the SL is the clear winner. I can see what you're saying about holding on to a car for a long time, but an XLR or SL buyer isn't looking to do this- they're looking to turn some heads. It's just throwing your money down the trash to spend 75-85k on an item and then for whatever reason you want to sell it or whatnot one car is worth way more than the other. I guess these rich people wouldn't care about that either though- or maybe they would.. They will care about more "normal" people buying the less expensive car down the line.

 

[Cfour]

Originally posted by: rubenswm

Originally posted by: Cfour

Originally posted by: rubenswm

Originally posted by: Cfour

Originally posted by: rubenswm
I step in the right direction along with the CTS..that new SRX sedan looks pretty sweet too.
Personally i'd dish out another 10g's for the SL- but quite honestly if I had 75-100k to spend on a car neither of these would be in my radar screen.

Why would you be so compelled to buy a car for $10k more that not only doesn't out-perform the Cadillac, but also ranks lower in Initial quality rankings Caddy #2 - Benz #10+?)

If you're judging cars strictly on performance why not buy a Z06 which is cheaper and performs better?
If I was arrogant enough to drive one of these two cars I'd probably buy one every few years. The resale on a SL500 would be significantly higher than on tha XLR.

Am I? A luxo convertable is much different than al all-out sports car, but I'd care about performance in any type of car that I care about. Performance isn't everything, but it tops my list. And I doubt you have to be arrogant drive a car such as the SL500 or the XLR. The SL500 will probably have a better resale value than the XLR, but if you really buy a car and think about selling it, then "whatever floats your boat". I doubt you will be driving your 3rd-4th car, and probably a weekend driver at that, many miles a year. My guess is that a lot of people will hang on to these cars, and at least past the point where resale takes the biggest hit (first couple years). Cadillac is only pumping out 5k of these a year, and claims to have a waiting list already. So the interest is there, and I'm not so sure resale will be a huge issue with this type of car.

If performance is at the top of your list the XLR or SL500 shouldn't be.
.
As far as the "arrogant" factor it is definitely there with a car like the XLR or SL500. Neither of these cars do anything very impressive. You can't tell me that 75-85k went into engineering the "perfect mix of luxury and performance." It's priced at 75-85 for rich people to buy and try to flaunt their stuff. A car like the SL or XLR isn't about performance OR luxury. It's about showing your stuff off- there are more luxorious cars out there and better performing cars out there for more money. In this sense benz is definitely a lot higher up the "status quo" than cadillac. Even cars like BMW's are considered "so-so" by the types of people who are looking to buy these types of cars. Point being, if I was some stupid celebrity trying to show my stuff off, the benz would bring in a lot more wow and head turning than the XLR.
.
As far as resale value, it's not about what floats peoples boats, It's about common sense. When you buy an asset like a car (especially when its worth more than most peoples houses) you want it to hold its value over time. If I'm spending $85,000 on an item, in 5 years when whatever the hot new car is out, i'd rather pocket 60k than 30k. The XLR and SL500 arent enthusiast cars. They both suck, but for the arrogant buyer who wants to show his stuff off and turn some heads, the SL is the clear winner. I can see what you're saying about holding on to a car for a long time, but an XLR or SL buyer isn't looking to do this- they're looking to turn some heads. It's just throwing your money down the trash to spend 75-85k on an item and then for whatever reason you want to sell it or whatnot one car is worth way more than the other. I guess these rich people wouldn't care about that either though- or maybe they would.. They will care about more "normal" people buying the less expensive car down the line.

I see that you just don't understand. Performance tops my list at the type of car I'm looking at. Whether it be a Luxo Roadster or a 4 dr. sedan. If you consider these cars arrogant, then so is every other car that goes above and beyond the basic needs of getting from point A to point B... since arrogance is defined as flaunting your self-worth or superiority over another person. More head turns with the Benz? I'm sure you'll get them with both cars, but the Benz is much more conservative in styling than the XLR. So the "head-turning" factor is certainly debateable. Also, you bring up the resale point, yet neither you or I honestly know how the resale will be on the XLR since it just came out. This is a very limited production vehicle (5000/yr). The same can be said about how long these buyers hang on to these cars. You have no surveys or any facts to back up your statement that these two cars are being held onto for less than a few years where they lose the most resale. How many SL500s do you see on the roads that are older than a 2002 model? Quite a few more than post-2002 ones.. so that observation sure doesn't back up your statement that these people are selling these cars after a few years, does it? SL being the clear winner? Based on what? Lets go by the facts: It is slower and ranks lower in build quality. Looks are subjective so nobody can really argue that. But apparantly you still think the Benz is better. You claiming that both of these cars, and I quote, "Suck" just shows your contributions to the thread... nothing .

In short, these are two sweet cars, and if I were older and had some money to blow, I wouldn't mind owning either one.

 

[Sunner]

Originally posted by: Cfour

Originally posted by: Sunner

* Caddy...well it's Caddy.

Gotta love it when thats pretty much the only thing people can rip on an American car for. Times are changing my friend, and Cadillac is leading that change.

Im not ripping on an American car, Im ripping on Cadillac.
Cars WAY back(30's) - nice
Cars they made not quite as long ago(60's) - Look like $hit but at least original.
Cars they made recently(80's) - They made any cars...?
Cars they make now - Look like unoriginal $hit

But I don't blame them really, it seems like it's a trend to make fugly cars these days, everyone does it.

 

[rubenswm]

Originally posted by: Cfour

Originally posted by: rubenswm

Originally posted by: Cfour

Originally posted by: rubenswm

Originally posted by: Cfour

Originally posted by: rubenswm
I step in the right direction along with the CTS..that new SRX sedan looks pretty sweet too.
Personally i'd dish out another 10g's for the SL- but quite honestly if I had 75-100k to spend on a car neither of these would be in my radar screen.

Why would you be so compelled to buy a car for $10k more that not only doesn't out-perform the Cadillac, but also ranks lower in Initial quality rankings Caddy #2 - Benz #10+?)

If you're judging cars strictly on performance why not buy a Z06 which is cheaper and performs better?
If I was arrogant enough to drive one of these two cars I'd probably buy one every few years. The resale on a SL500 would be significantly higher than on tha XLR.

Am I? A luxo convertable is much different than al all-out sports car, but I'd care about performance in any type of car that I care about. Performance isn't everything, but it tops my list. And I doubt you have to be arrogant drive a car such as the SL500 or the XLR. The SL500 will probably have a better resale value than the XLR, but if you really buy a car and think about selling it, then "whatever floats your boat". I doubt you will be driving your 3rd-4th car, and probably a weekend driver at that, many miles a year. My guess is that a lot of people will hang on to these cars, and at least past the point where resale takes the biggest hit (first couple years). Cadillac is only pumping out 5k of these a year, and claims to have a waiting list already. So the interest is there, and I'm not so sure resale will be a huge issue with this type of car.

If performance is at the top of your list the XLR or SL500 shouldn't be.
.
As far as the "arrogant" factor it is definitely there with a car like the XLR or SL500. Neither of these cars do anything very impressive. You can't tell me that 75-85k went into engineering the "perfect mix of luxury and performance." It's priced at 75-85 for rich people to buy and try to flaunt their stuff. A car like the SL or XLR isn't about performance OR luxury. It's about showing your stuff off- there are more luxorious cars out there and better performing cars out there for more money. In this sense benz is definitely a lot higher up the "status quo" than cadillac. Even cars like BMW's are considered "so-so" by the types of people who are looking to buy these types of cars. Point being, if I was some stupid celebrity trying to show my stuff off, the benz would bring in a lot more wow and head turning than the XLR.
.
As far as resale value, it's not about what floats peoples boats, It's about common sense. When you buy an asset like a car (especially when its worth more than most peoples houses) you want it to hold its value over time. If I'm spending $85,000 on an item, in 5 years when whatever the hot new car is out, i'd rather pocket 60k than 30k. The XLR and SL500 arent enthusiast cars. They both suck, but for the arrogant buyer who wants to show his stuff off and turn some heads, the SL is the clear winner. I can see what you're saying about holding on to a car for a long time, but an XLR or SL buyer isn't looking to do this- they're looking to turn some heads. It's just throwing your money down the trash to spend 75-85k on an item and then for whatever reason you want to sell it or whatnot one car is worth way more than the other. I guess these rich people wouldn't care about that either though- or maybe they would.. They will care about more "normal" people buying the less expensive car down the line.

I see that you just don't understand. Performance tops my list at the type of car I'm looking at. Whether it be a Luxo Roadster or a 4 dr. sedan. If you consider these cars arrogant, then so is every other car that goes above and beyond the basic needs of getting from point A to point B... since arrogance is defined as flaunting your self-worth or superiority over another person. More head turns with the Benz? I'm sure you'll get them with both cars, but the Benz is much more conservative in styling than the XLR. So the "head-turning" factor is certainly debateable. Also, you bring up the resale point, yet neither you or I honestly know how the resale will be on the XLR since it just came out. This is a very limited production vehicle (5000/yr). The same can be said about how long these buyers hang on to these cars. You have no surveys or any facts to back up your statement that these two cars are being held onto for less than a few years where they lose the most resale. How many SL500s do you see on the roads that are older than a 2002 model? Quite a few more than post-2002 ones.. so that observation sure doesn't back up your statement that these people are selling these cars after a few years, does it? SL being the clear winner? Based on what? Lets go by the facts: It is slower and ranks lower in build quality. Looks are subjective so nobody can really argue that. But apparantly you still think the Benz is better. You claiming that both of these cars, and I quote, "Suck" just shows your contributions to the thread... nothing .

In short, these are two sweet cars, and if I were older and had some money to blow, I wouldn't mind owning either one.

I understand performance is the ultimate factor for you, as it is for most car enthusiasts. If you understood why a company like GM manufactured the XLR or benz manufactuered the SL500, you would understand why I called it an "arrogant car." It's an "arrogant car" because it warrants a ridiculous pricetag for 2 seats, a 14 second quarter mile, and a few little gadgets. The XLR is not a great performer. The XLR isn't the most luxorious car out there. What is the purpose of the XLR? What is the purpose of the SL500? To be in this "luxury roadster market" which is a total joke in and of itself. I meant more of the "wow" factor anyways. Benz has been a leader in the industry for centuries- the cream of the crop..the ultimate icon of prosperity. Cadillac on the other hand has been what everyones grandparents drive. Things seem to be changing for cadillac for the better. I never said the benz is "better." I said if i was one of the people buying one of these cars I'd rather have the benz, because of the wow factor. An SL500 WILL turn heads. The XLR will turn heads as well, it looks nice. Bottom line is the Benz is more "prestigious" and for the idiot who wants to flaunt his stuff, benz is the way to go. Like i said before, both of these cars are nothing that impressive. Why don't you tell me whats so great about the XLR? Why is it soo cool? In fact whats so great about any luxury roadster? The whole market is a joke to me. As far as my contributions, they're worthwhile. trust me. lol.

 

[Conky]

Anybody ripping on Cadillac is a real fool. Cadillac's rule, you heard it here.

If you've never owned one then you don't have a clue.

 

[rubenswm]

Originally posted by: Cfour

Originally posted by: rubenswm

Originally posted by: Cfour

Originally posted by: rubenswm

Originally posted by: Cfour

Originally posted by: rubenswm
I step in the right direction along with the CTS..that new SRX sedan looks pretty sweet too.
Personally i'd dish out another 10g's for the SL- but quite honestly if I had 75-100k to spend on a car neither of these would be in my radar screen.

Why would you be so compelled to buy a car for $10k more that not only doesn't out-perform the Cadillac, but also ranks lower in Initial quality rankings Caddy #2 - Benz #10+?)

If you're judging cars strictly on performance why not buy a Z06 which is cheaper and performs better?
If I was arrogant enough to drive one of these two cars I'd probably buy one every few years. The resale on a SL500 would be significantly higher than on tha XLR.

Am I? A luxo convertable is much different than al all-out sports car, but I'd care about performance in any type of car that I care about. Performance isn't everything, but it tops my list. And I doubt you have to be arrogant drive a car such as the SL500 or the XLR. The SL500 will probably have a better resale value than the XLR, but if you really buy a car and think about selling it, then "whatever floats your boat". I doubt you will be driving your 3rd-4th car, and probably a weekend driver at that, many miles a year. My guess is that a lot of people will hang on to these cars, and at least past the point where resale takes the biggest hit (first couple years). Cadillac is only pumping out 5k of these a year, and claims to have a waiting list already. So the interest is there, and I'm not so sure resale will be a huge issue with this type of car.

If performance is at the top of your list the XLR or SL500 shouldn't be.
.
As far as the "arrogant" factor it is definitely there with a car like the XLR or SL500. Neither of these cars do anything very impressive. You can't tell me that 75-85k went into engineering the "perfect mix of luxury and performance." It's priced at 75-85 for rich people to buy and try to flaunt their stuff. A car like the SL or XLR isn't about performance OR luxury. It's about showing your stuff off- there are more luxorious cars out there and better performing cars out there for more money. In this sense benz is definitely a lot higher up the "status quo" than cadillac. Even cars like BMW's are considered "so-so" by the types of people who are looking to buy these types of cars. Point being, if I was some stupid celebrity trying to show my stuff off, the benz would bring in a lot more wow and head turning than the XLR.
.
As far as resale value, it's not about what floats peoples boats, It's about common sense. When you buy an asset like a car (especially when its worth more than most peoples houses) you want it to hold its value over time. If I'm spending $85,000 on an item, in 5 years when whatever the hot new car is out, i'd rather pocket 60k than 30k. The XLR and SL500 arent enthusiast cars. They both suck, but for the arrogant buyer who wants to show his stuff off and turn some heads, the SL is the clear winner. I can see what you're saying about holding on to a car for a long time, but an XLR or SL buyer isn't looking to do this- they're looking to turn some heads. It's just throwing your money down the trash to spend 75-85k on an item and then for whatever reason you want to sell it or whatnot one car is worth way more than the other. I guess these rich people wouldn't care about that either though- or maybe they would.. They will care about more "normal" people buying the less expensive car down the line.

I see that you just don't understand. Performance tops my list at the type of car I'm looking at. Whether it be a Luxo Roadster or a 4 dr. sedan. If you consider these cars arrogant, then so is every other car that goes above and beyond the basic needs of getting from point A to point B... since arrogance is defined as flaunting your self-worth or superiority over another person. More head turns with the Benz? I'm sure you'll get them with both cars, but the Benz is much more conservative in styling than the XLR. So the "head-turning" factor is certainly debateable. Also, you bring up the resale point, yet neither you or I honestly know how the resale will be on the XLR since it just came out. This is a very limited production vehicle (5000/yr). The same can be said about how long these buyers hang on to these cars. You have no surveys or any facts to back up your statement that these two cars are being held onto for less than a few years where they lose the most resale. How many SL500s do you see on the roads that are older than a 2002 model? Quite a few more than post-2002 ones.. so that observation sure doesn't back up your statement that these people are selling these cars after a few years, does it? SL being the clear winner? Based on what? Lets go by the facts: It is slower and ranks lower in build quality. Looks are subjective so nobody can really argue that. But apparantly you still think the Benz is better. You claiming that both of these cars, and I quote, "Suck" just shows your contributions to the thread... nothing .

In short, these are two sweet cars, and if I were older and had some money to blow, I wouldn't mind owning either one.

by the way, your logic is completely ridiculous. you're suggesting that if somebody sells their car you're no longer going to see them on the street anymore. The reason you see more older benzes is because there are, well more out there right? 10k produced a year lets say 85-02 isn't is only obvious that these combined will show up in greater numbers than one or two model years? haha..What I was saying is the idiot who wants to flaunt his stuff is going to want a new one every few years.

 

[rubenswm]

Originally posted by: Crazyfool
Anybody ripping on Cadillac is a real fool. Cadillac's rule, you heard it here.

If you've never owned one then you don't have a clue.

I'm not ripping on cadillac.
In fact i drove a 96 seville sts today. to my surprise it was actually pretty solid car. A lot of power available, real comfortable, just a really nice car.

 

[NFS4]

Originally posted by: Crazyfool
Anybody ripping on Cadillac is a real fool. Cadillac's rule, you heard it here.

If you've never owned one then you don't have a clue.

Even Cadillac is ripping on Cadillac:

Cadillac General Manager Mark LaNeve is the first to acknowledge that the division has, over the last few decades, slipped into the second tour of automotive luxury. Climbing back to become the recognized standard won?t be easy, especially considering the competition.

Simply put, Mercedes, BMW, Lexus, and Infiniti have outclassed Cadillac for YEARS

 

[Leetman]

Looks nice, definitely in a different league than an Audi, though not quite as grand as an SL.

 

[Siddhartha]

Cadillac specifically and GM in general has a lot to prove to me before I buy one, outside of the Corvette, of their cars. Every time I rent a GM car I am glad to get back into my own car.

 

[andyfasthands]

caddy looked good in matrix2

 

[rubenswm]

They seem to be making steady improvements. Surprisingly Ford has been too according to a 2002 Forbes article
"Ford Motor's quality is improving faster that that of General Motors"
Caddy came in at #2 for JD powers inital quality, which represents forseeable problems in the first 90 days of use. They also noted that the numbers were fairly close across the board.

 

[Conky]

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: Crazyfool
Anybody ripping on Cadillac is a real fool. Cadillac's rule, you heard it here.

If you've never owned one then you don't have a clue.

Even Cadillac is ripping on Cadillac:

Cadillac General Manager Mark LaNeve is the first to acknowledge that the division has, over the last few decades, slipped into the second tour of automotive luxury. Climbing back to become the recognized standard won?t be easy, especially considering the competition.

Simply put, Mercedes, BMW, Lexus, and Infiniti have outclassed Cadillac for YEARS

Yeah, they've also outpriced them for years.

Pull up in a fullsize black Caddy sedan and see if people take you serious. Then try it with a Lexus or Infiniti and see if people have the same reaction. I'm telling you, the Cadillac has it's own mystique. People respect it on a gut level. No self-respecting wiseguy would drive a Lexus and everybody knows this.

Cadillacs own. It's one of life's simple truths.

 

[isekii]

Originally posted by: Crazyfool

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: Crazyfool
Anybody ripping on Cadillac is a real fool. Cadillac's rule, you heard it here.

If you've never owned one then you don't have a clue.

Even Cadillac is ripping on Cadillac:

Cadillac General Manager Mark LaNeve is the first to acknowledge that the division has, over the last few decades, slipped into the second tour of automotive luxury. Climbing back to become the recognized standard won?t be easy, especially considering the competition.

Simply put, Mercedes, BMW, Lexus, and Infiniti have outclassed Cadillac for YEARS

Yeah, they've also outpriced them for years.

Pull up in a fullsize black Caddy sedan and see if people take you serious. Then try it with a Lexus or Infiniti and see if people have the same reaction. I'm telling you, the Cadillac has it's own mystique. People respect it on a gut level. No self-respecting wiseguy would drive a Lexus and everybody knows this.

Cadillacs own. It's one of life's simple truths.

WTF ?
LS430 looks damn sweet.. you must be smoking something

 

[Eli]

Not really a big caddy fan, either... $76k?!

320HP/310ftlbs?

I'll take two WRX STi's.



I do admit, the interior looks very nice though.

 

[rubenswm]

Originally posted by: isekii

Originally posted by: Crazyfool

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: Crazyfool
Anybody ripping on Cadillac is a real fool. Cadillac's rule, you heard it here.

If you've never owned one then you don't have a clue.

Even Cadillac is ripping on Cadillac:

Cadillac General Manager Mark LaNeve is the first to acknowledge that the division has, over the last few decades, slipped into the second tour of automotive luxury. Climbing back to become the recognized standard won?t be easy, especially considering the competition.

Simply put, Mercedes, BMW, Lexus, and Infiniti have outclassed Cadillac for YEARS

Yeah, they've also outpriced them for years.

Pull up in a fullsize black Caddy sedan and see if people take you serious. Then try it with a Lexus or Infiniti and see if people have the same reaction. I'm telling you, the Cadillac has it's own mystique. People respect it on a gut level. No self-respecting wiseguy would drive a Lexus and everybody knows this.

Cadillacs own. It's one of life's simple truths.

WTF ?
LS430 looks damn sweet.. you must be smoking something

or hes a senior citizen.

 

[isekii]

Originally posted by: rubenswm

Originally posted by: isekii

Originally posted by: Crazyfool

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: Crazyfool
Anybody ripping on Cadillac is a real fool. Cadillac's rule, you heard it here.

If you've never owned one then you don't have a clue.

Even Cadillac is ripping on Cadillac:

Cadillac General Manager Mark LaNeve is the first to acknowledge that the division has, over the last few decades, slipped into the second tour of automotive luxury. Climbing back to become the recognized standard won?t be easy, especially considering the competition.

Simply put, Mercedes, BMW, Lexus, and Infiniti have outclassed Cadillac for YEARS

Yeah, they've also outpriced them for years.

Pull up in a fullsize black Caddy sedan and see if people take you serious. Then try it with a Lexus or Infiniti and see if people have the same reaction. I'm telling you, the Cadillac has it's own mystique. People respect it on a gut level. No self-respecting wiseguy would drive a Lexus and everybody knows this.

Cadillacs own. It's one of life's simple truths.

WTF ?
LS430 looks damn sweet.. you must be smoking something

or hes a senior citizen.

lol I'm still laughing..
I wonder if he was really being serious

 

[Conky]

or hes a senior citizen.

Nah, I am the same age as old Tony Soprano. But until you OWN and not just look at a Cadillac, you will never know what I'm talking about. It's like being in a club or something.

I still miss my old Sedan De'Ville, that thing was the pimp ride. Fast, fun to drive, air so cold you needed a sweater on a 100F day, and the options. Power every-darn-thing.

I will never diss the Cadillac. Plus, the backseat was big enough to live in... me and my old girlfriend will never forget that beautiful car.