Kadarin
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Originally posted by: PowerEngineer
Originally posted by: whitecloak
Originally posted by: nakedfrog
Originally posted by: Wag
Read all the books (you could skip the 3rd, but I didn't think it was that bad). In 3001 A.C. Clarke reveals all.
It's not what you think.
Yep, I actually read the whole series years before I first saw the movie. Clarke seems to have had a thing for that, as I read Childhood's End back in high school and from what I recall, it was a similar theme.
Heh, thinking about it, I actually bought 3001 first because I was about to get on a plane, so I read that one then went through the rest in proper order.
The entire series is built on a short story which clark had written in 1957 (?) called "The Sentinel"
You are correct.
And this is one of the very few times that the movie (2001) was much better than book that Clarke later wrote.
The movie leaves a lot more to the imagination. Are the monoliths from "God" (like the tablets of the 10 commandments), or some sort of "sign post" marking a momenteous occurance. The advances weren't so much technological as they were advancements in thought and concsiousness; it wasn't the bone club -- it was the ability to think at that next level!
Unfortunately, Clarke went on to compound the error by writing sequel after sequel. Ruined the concept of Rama the same way. Read the very early Clarke; skip the rest for his sake!
The monoliths aren't "signposts" that mark an event; they are the triggers for the events.
YOyoYOhowsDAjello
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hmmm... I'm kind of thinking about watching a movie tonight... I'm not sure if I'm in the mood for 2001 though
PowerEngineer
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That's possible too... And that was the beauty of the movie. It left open many possible interpretations, which triggered many interesting conversations (as it is doing here)
The Kubrick2001 flash is thought provoking too.
I always figured that HAL did not actually make a mistake, but wanted to test his human companions' perception of him. He intentionally fakes a "mistake" and finds out that they intend to lobotomize him if turns out the unit doesn't actually fail. Certainly not what they'd do to another human. They do not see him as alive or their peer. In that case, it's HAL or them; HAL chooses HAL.
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jman19
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Originally posted by: Astaroth33
Originally posted by: PowerEngineer
Originally posted by: whitecloak
Originally posted by: nakedfrog
Originally posted by: Wag
Read all the books (you could skip the 3rd, but I didn't think it was that bad). In 3001 A.C. Clarke reveals all.
It's not what you think.
Yep, I actually read the whole series years before I first saw the movie. Clarke seems to have had a thing for that, as I read Childhood's End back in high school and from what I recall, it was a similar theme.
Heh, thinking about it, I actually bought 3001 first because I was about to get on a plane, so I read that one then went through the rest in proper order.
The entire series is built on a short story which clark had written in 1957 (?) called "The Sentinel"
You are correct.
And this is one of the very few times that the movie (2001) was much better than book that Clarke later wrote.
The movie leaves a lot more to the imagination. Are the monoliths from "God" (like the tablets of the 10 commandments), or some sort of "sign post" marking a momenteous occurance. The advances weren't so much technological as they were advancements in thought and concsiousness; it wasn't the bone club -- it was the ability to think at that next level!
Unfortunately, Clarke went on to compound the error by writing sequel after sequel. Ruined the concept of Rama the same way. Read the very early Clarke; skip the rest for his sake!
The monoliths aren't "signposts" that mark an event; they are the triggers for the events.
True. The first monolith you see triggers higher thought in man; the one on the moon activates the one orbiting Jupiter (or was it one of its moons? I think it was). The third one takes Dave across space where he is to be reborn as the next stage of evolution for mankind. IIRC, in the book, there were initially many monoliths on earth, but only one tribe of early man was able discover it or progress further (once again, not completely sure, I haven't read it in a while).
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Siddhartha
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I first saw 2001 on a large screen and it blow me away. I had a similar reaction that the OP had.
WTF!!!???
I read the short story that the movie was based on and everything else Clarke had written at the time.
Why HAL went ape-sh!t: was explained in 2010, they had HAL lie about the mission and that drove HAL insane.
Clarke was fond of the idea that life on this planet was steered, directed, protected, seeded, started, etc by a visitors from another galaxy, planet. This explains the monitors that were shown in 2001. The starchild\Dave image I think were more from Kubrick than Clarke.
WTF!!!???
I read the short story that the movie was based on and everything else Clarke had written at the time.
Why HAL went ape-sh!t: was explained in 2010, they had HAL lie about the mission and that drove HAL insane.
Clarke was fond of the idea that life on this planet was steered, directed, protected, seeded, started, etc by a visitors from another galaxy, planet. This explains the monitors that were shown in 2001. The starchild\Dave image I think were more from Kubrick than Clarke.
This thread has convinced me to get 2001 and 2010... I've been going on a kubrick spree, and i thought id seen this movie, but it sounds so much deeper! :Q
I watched 2001 when i was young, and then 2010. I didn't really take notice. 15yrs. later i watched both movies front to back and wow!!!! Really opens your mind. 2010 explains it all, awesome movie.
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MasterAndCommander
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2010 was an entertaining movie, but in pales in comparison to 2001 which forced me to think and draw my onw conclusions. IRC, Kubrick had all the sets, models, drawings, etc. destroyed after 2001 because he didn't want them used in any sequel, or other sci-fi movie to follow.
One thing that bothered me, in the 2001 novel and 2010 movie, Dave Bowman was to have said "My God! It's full of stars" when he approached the monolith orbiting Jupiter, but in the movie 2001, there is no virtually no dialog after Bowman disconnects HAL - did I miss anything?, it's been a few years since I watched 2001.
One thing that bothered me, in the 2001 novel and 2010 movie, Dave Bowman was to have said "My God! It's full of stars" when he approached the monolith orbiting Jupiter, but in the movie 2001, there is no virtually no dialog after Bowman disconnects HAL - did I miss anything?, it's been a few years since I watched 2001.
:thumbsdown: The first fifty minutes were extremely boring, the last half hour or so was extremely boring.
The portion that took place on board the space station in the presence of HAL, in the middle of the movie, was decent. Though how hard would it have been to take additional precautions against lip reading? Fog the window? Turn around? Bonus points for coming out in 1968, but overall I'd rather watch The Thing From Another World or The Day the Earth Stood Still.
The portion that took place on board the space station in the presence of HAL, in the middle of the movie, was decent. Though how hard would it have been to take additional precautions against lip reading? Fog the window? Turn around? Bonus points for coming out in 1968, but overall I'd rather watch The Thing From Another World or The Day the Earth Stood Still.
RossMAN
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Originally posted by: MichaelD
LMAO!!!
ROTFLMAO :laugh:
My fellow cubicle mates just gave me a weird look. Need to go outside for some fresh air.
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