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2000 Mustang or 2001 Camaro 3800 coupe?

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I love it, it is the classic Ford/Chevy thing. You know what it comes down most to me is that the Mustang is 5k less. They both are V-6's and were not built for performance. They will however save you on your insurance.
 
You know tinneric, you just sold me on that. I may think the camaro would corner better and have nicer seats, but they can't be 5k nicer especially when neither has the guts to back it up.
 
You know tinneric, you just sold me on that. I may think the camaro would corner better and have nicer seats, but they can't be 5k nicer especially when neither has the gets to back it up.

totally 5K is a big deal.. Save that for other more important stuff. Unless your really set on spending for "That" car save the money.

Both will corner fine... That American cars can't turn thing died out with the brontosaur so don't worry about what those bozo's tell you either one you'll get a great car if you take care of it.

Don't take turns in the city too fast anyhow Tickets and insurance will nab that 5K real quick 😉
 


<< You are right about money, but I don't think the person he was talking to has 100k in his car. >>



Yea, I totally agree. I was just saying that that's what it all comes down to eventually. 🙂

I think insurance would be quite a bit cheaper on a V6 Camaro than a Mustang. Actually my half bro is an auto insurance agent and he said it is a bit cheaper on a V6 Camaro than a V6 Mustang. I also think the Camaro is a bit more comfortable to me.
 
said I was through with this thread, but I felt the need to come out and apologize to Zuni only. You didn't initially insult my car, I'm sure its great. And the reason I'm not saying my car is all that is because it isn't. I have like 350 pounds of high end stereo equipment in my car, and haven't spend any money on go-fast mods really because I didn't get a V6 fbody to race.

The insurance on me plus the more expensive v8 model persueded me to get a V6. And I would probably KILL myself with an LS1 with the kind of power it has. I'm 19 working full time putting myself through college full time as well, I can't afford a new V8 and insurance, so I saved some money and got the V6. plus I wanted to get into competition car audio, and the fbody with the hatchback is a great platform for competition car stereo.

I'll have a cold air intake on once the weather warms up enough for me to be able to work on my car outside, and the only other performance mod I have is a catback exhaust system, possibly headers in the future. but dropping money in a v6 isn't something I want to do, I'll be getting a Trans Am in a year or so, and then I'll be able to have some real fun with that LS1.

also, everyone was wrong in saying 2001 is the last year of the fbody. 2002 will be the last year, however it seems almost certain that they will be only holding off for a couple years, and bring back the camaro/firebird/trans am for a 5th generation by 2004. come to camaroz28.com and read up in the 5th gen discussion forum. besides, I think even you mustang people would agree that there NEEDS to be competition between ford and chevy, with the fbodies gone, the mustang will drop down to a 200 hp POS, with the competition it forces them to remain strong.


also, www.projectvirus.com, a v6 firebird owned by the V6 tech forum moderator @ camaroz28.com, is a supercharged V6, he hasn't run it at the track, he will once they open up in the spring, but we are all anticipating mid 12's for Stefan. so not all the fast v6's are bottle-fed only.



Now, this is important. everyone was saying how the mustang is $5000 less than the Camaro. Well I have to point out, the mustang he was talking about was a used 2000 model, comparing it to a brand new 2001 model, I don't think its fair to compare them due to price like that.



please, I beg you to drive both. test drive them both, drive 'em like you stole 'em. and when you decided to get that Camaro (I know you will! 😉) then I'd best see you in the V6 tech forum, got it? 🙂
 


<< I think insurance would be quite a bit cheaper on a V6 Camaro than a Mustang. Actually my half bro is an auto insurance agent and he said it is a bit cheaper on a V6 Camaro than a V6 Mustang. I also think the Camaro is a bit more comfortable to me. >>




I think you're right. I think the insurance would be, from most expensive to least expensive :

Mustang
Camaro
Firebird

because like I said, the majority of Mustang (v6 at least) drivers are teenagers, mostly girls but still teenagers. They have a higher accident rate than adult drivers, thus the insurance rates are higher. Case in point - if you look at a new Trans Am vs. a new Z28 Camaro, the Trans Am is much more expensive because it comes standard with almost all the options you can get on a Camaro, namely leather seats, power everything, t-tops, etc. Therefore, the Camaro's are cheaper, and those are the ones the teenagers get because their parents buy them, and they don't want to spend the extra money. Since the Camaros are driven by teens, they have a higher insurance rate than the more expensive Trans Am, even though they are identical poerformance wise.



Now - one more reason why you should get the camaro that no one has mentioned : T-tops! Try to get those on a Mustang!
 


<< Hahah nope If I lost i lost gracefully . But a v6 firebird? Never lost to one of those. >>



maybe you just haven't raced the right firebirds. 😉
btw - I've never lost to a Civic either. 🙂
 
and please trust me on that automatic thing. I look glance inside sports cars in the college parking lots while going out to my car, only to laugh when I see that automatic shifter. :disgust:

sure, they're okay for the track I guess, but I would just feel so stupid driving an auto in any car. trucks, I can see auto I guess, I had an automatic ford ranger when I was in high school.

but a pony car? get the stick. once you drive it with the stick you'll never go back
 
Such animosity in this thread.

Yes, V6 Mustangs are for lack of a better term, b!tchbuckets. IMO, its the same for V6 Firebirds and Cameros. Now please note, these cars can be made to be EXTREMELY quick, but in reality, stock, these cars are running high 15's to low 16's in the 1/4 mile.

I personally hate people who thing the 1/4 mile is all that counts. I prefer a car thats fun to push around the corners. Eventually(ug... will take so long) I'll get a Subaru Impreza 2.5RS, a car that would destroy the fbods in the corners and AutoX. Thats just IMO.

Personally, I think there are better cars available, but between the 2, I'd go with the Ford. If you plan to mod it, theres a larger aftermarket for the Mustangs at the moment. It just goes to show that ford has 1 chassis that competes in its low performance and high performance (Cobra R anyone) where as GM has put out the Camaro and the Corvette(with it taking the Vette to compete with the Cobra R). Granted, its an extremely modified Mustang, but its roots are the same.

I'd also like to mention that a MKII MR2 Turbo with its puny 4cyl + turbo can lay waste to any current stock V6 Firebird, Camero, or Mustang. It would even hang with Mustang GTs. Just a thought 🙂
 
I prefer a car thats fun to push around the corners

ANYONE who still thinks that American cars can't corner need to have 1 of 2 things done. A lobotomy or they need to open up some Motor Trend and some Road and Track and READ!!!

This is OLD and SO unaccurate people. When you guys street race do you end up winding through Downtown or something cause most the ones I see it's a race to the end of the block.

I didn't know the cops turned their back in some city's so you can make your own series in the city.

 
260 hp / 281 cubic inches = .9 hp/ci
305 hp / 350 cubic incehs = .9 hp/ci

looks like each engine is the same in that regard. also, it was old vette designers on a discovery channel car show that said a classically powerful engine is one that makes better than 1 hp / cubic inch. so neither of these engines are powerful. of course back in the 60s they pretty much lied about hp numbers. even so, thats the only definition of powerful i've ever heard, and i'm sticking to it. the honda s2000's engine is insanely powerful, getting 240 hp out of just 122 cubic inches. and its normally aspirated. of course you have to beat it like a dead horse to do so, but still.
 


<< and please trust me on that automatic thing. I look glance inside sports cars in the college parking lots whilegoing out to my car, only to laugh when I see that automatic shifter.

sure, they're okay for the track I guess, but I would just feel so stupid driving an auto in any car. trucks, I can see auto I guess, I had an automatic ford ranger when I was in high school.

but a pony car? get the stick. once you drive it with the stick you'll never go back >>



Whenever I see non Formula, T/A, Z28, or SS f-bodies, I laugh at them because they're V6's and they're driven by middle aged women and woman who don't know any better. A V6 has no bussiness in a car that is supposed to come with a V8. Real F-bodies come with V8 so V6s are like wannabes. 😀

Those people who say, &quot;automatics are for girls and real mean drive sticks&quot;, need a stick to prove their manhood. What's wrong, your penis is too short so you need a stick to make it longer??? My friend has a 99GT auto with a 2800 stall torque convertor, shift kit, and other bolt ons, with no blower, smokes the stick drivers(cars in the same class, not some stick civic ) who think their car is fastest out there just because it is a stick.




I test drove both a 2000 Mustang GT and a 2000 Camaro Z28. I chosed the GT. The GT seemed more &quot;livable&quot; as a daily driver than the Z28 because it rided better, handled better, does not have crazy blind spots like the Z28, better seats, better looking interior and exterior, and better frontal view(Z28 windshield way to slanted). The Z28 was definately quicker than the GT, however, I felt all that power didn't make up for its shortcomings.





 
lol.. whatever dude. seems like you're the one getting defensive about your automatic, I'm just saying what I prefer (manual trannys).

drive your automatic, I couldn't care less. I never EVER said driving a stick is faster. if I wanted to gain an extra .01/sec in the quarter mile I might have gotten an auto. but I don't care, I didn't get my car to race. I couldn't afford a V8, so I got a V6. but fuc#ing deal. but a fuc#ing unplugged toaster could drive an auto, its booooooooring. and you have to put a shift kit on it to make it any fun at all.

to ME (must not be for anyone else I guess), there is a big thrill in hearing your engine roar, revving to the redline, ramming that stick into 2nd gear, hearing that sweet chirp of the tires, that sweet pull of the car in 2nd gear, ramming it up to 3rd gear, rowing through those gears like you stole the S.O.B.

and then pulling next to some hon-duh civikkk on the highway riding it in 5th, glancing over, getting that feeling in your stomach 'cause you KNOW its on.. and ramming that bastard down to fourth and flooring it to 100
 


<< uhh yeah this is getting really rediculous. and I don't appreciate Zuni of all people coming on here and insulting me because of my opinion of cars.

you know what, get the mustang. something like 80% of all V6 mustangs are sold to teenage girls. have fun.

I'm through with this thread. this is b.s. I never said the only important thing is horsepower, but mustangs are DOGS.

and I couldn't care less how many girls you've beaten in their bone stock automatic v6 camaros with your rice bucket, I don't give a flyin' fuc#. >>



You seemed to ask it. You can't take a little criticism when someone more than a Senior Member comes in here putting in their two cents? Take a look at your first, oh 5 or 6 posts. YOU'RE the one making fun of other people and insulting them, saying their opinions are crap or what not. Quit being a damn hypocrite.

And quite frankly, why should Redwingsguy go to a GM enthusiast site in order to see why the f-body is better? Gee, I wonder what they're going to say. I could go to any Ford enthusiast site and get 10000000 reasons why RWG should get a Mustang over a Camaro. Yea. No biased opinions there.

Like what you and a few other people said - the smartest thing is to go out and drive both, see which one you like best.
 
Valhalla1
You just stated this:


<< drive your automatic, I couldn't care less. I never EVER said driving a stick is faster. if I wanted to gain an extra .01/sec in the quarter mile I might have gotten an auto. >>



Now let me point you back to one of your earlier posts in this thread-


<< also, with a good driver, Manual-6's can beat automatics, for damn sure. but automatics eliminate driver error and missed shifts, and are good for track-only racing. >>



Yes you did say a stick was faster earlier, then in this latest post you denied saying that and said the auto could gain an extra .01 second in the quarter. Are you trying to say now the auto is fasteror about the same??? Pick a side and stay on it. Either way you're busted pal, you did make the &quot;stick is faster&quot; claim. I'll admit the stick is more fun, but not necessarily faster. It all depends on the transmission itself. Exactly how many times have you been to the dragstip and how many times have you participated??? I think you get most of your information from watching TNN motorsports. 😀
 
I too like manual transmissions, but as many of us who live in big cities drive rush hour traffic, an Auto is much more comfortable to drive. Also, the thought that a manual is faster is bull, maybe for a little while until you burn out the clutch from slipping it so much, it might jump off the line a little faster, but not to the extent some of you uninformed might be able to tell. But this is all just my opinion.

Valhalla1,

If you can't take the heat, stay out of the forum, you are provoking the responses you get.
 
tell you what, why don't some of the 5.0 or 4.6L stock mustangs run a stock LS1 6 speed Z28 and see what the meaning of humility is 🙂
 
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