JD50
Lifer
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cheezy321
Diamond Member
Good to see Androids Chief Propaganda Officer© is still spewing his FUD.
Warning for mild personal attack
I'm fine with you guys debating this - again. New data, new thread. Fine by me. But Cheezy, keep away from labelling people. I'm not super happy with the term "iFanatics" that Bateluer used but it's fine enough as long as we don't start labelling specific people.. like you did.
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cheezy321
Diamond Member
Let me guess. 'Different Business Models'? I guess androids business model is to make less $$$ than their competitors. They should let their shareholders know about that...
Phokus
Lifer
You act like you work for Apple or are a shareholder. As i stated again, i don't give a rat's ass about any outsized profits that Google may generate, as long as it's profitable enough for them to keep android in business. What REALLY matters (for the end user) is market share. As more and more Android users take over, more and more developers will focus more on android development than apple development. See the PC vs. Mac wars.
Android has already dominated Apple in market share in smartphones... Apple has a huge headstart in the tablet race, but that will certainly change in the near future as well.
Patranus
Diamond Member
But developers don't and won't.
We already know that Android applications do not generate nearly the same amount of revenue as those on iOS. We already know that Apple has a MASSIVE lead in the primary demographics (IE not the poor). That is why Google cannot convert their marketshare into profit share and why developers still focus on iOS.
Phokus
Lifer
It's only been, what? Two years? Android has twice the marketshare for smartphones already. I don't give a rat's ass about Google's profit, and only a stupid as hell fanboy would (unless they own stock or work for that company). Given Android's continued dominance of the smartphone market and the fact that they've only started in the tablet race (which, btw, their market share should show astronomical growth after a year or so), developers will be FORCED to cater more to the android market more than ever, especially because Android is eating up RIM's marketshare as well. And just watch what the Kindle Fire will do to the Tablet market share.
QueBert
Lifer
They won't be forced to do sh*t, I have a friend who has a few iOS apps, he said if the number of Android devices grew 10x over the next year he'd still make way more money off iOS. iOS will always be where the money is at, a what 15% market share is making 90% of the mobile app money.
With that said Android Market will grow, just not by this FORCE you talk about.
Doppel
Lifer
That is absolutely incredible growth. I don't have an iphone but I know, as we all do, that iphones are still where it's at. A friend just yesterday was pissed at his droid device, thinking about buying an iphone for him and his wife and said basically "I paid too much for this kind of sh*t". Droids are sloppy seconds in a sense. I am sure apple is concerned about it, though, but they do have absolutely stupid brand recognition so there's no telling how long they can go on for that even when/if the iphone stops being the best device.
Patranus
Diamond Member
Exactly.
Puddle Jumper
Platinum Member
Funny, earlier today one of my coworkers was pissed at the numerous problems he was having with his iPhone and was talking about dropping it for an Android phone.
[/anecdotal evidence]
JD50
Lifer
zerocool84
Lifer
Wrong thread
Fire&Blood
Platinum Member
Between iOS and Android, I noticed that bestseller apps get ported to Android more often but the traffic is pretty much one way, only a handful of Android apps are ported to iOS, indicating that Apple's apps are indeed superior. It's obvious Apple's ecosystem is more mature than Android but it seems Android closes the gap a little more than iOS increases it with it's yearly updates.
Another indicator is that, here in the US, the desire for iphones was strong enough to drive ~1 million T-Mobile users, including me, to buy it without subsidy, knowing they will have crippled service. No single Android device had similar impact and numbers of users doing that for any Android phones are minimal. Granted, the need for that is minimal since Android is completely carrier agnostic. There is however a trend that started this year, indicating several Android models, most notably the SGS2 and the fall/winter lineup that's really stirring up the battle in the high end Android segment.
The time that takes Android to catch up with Apple's latest models is decreasing as well, due to Android maturing as well as better hardware/features. I would argue that it took Android almost a year to break even with/beat the iphone 4 with the SGS2.
The iphone 4S obviously isn't an iphone 5 but we can still hypothesize that the G Nexus would at least be a worthy opponent to the iphone 5, a mere 2/5 months after it's launch, in a scenario in which the iphone 5 came out in June/September, which as we know is a lot less iphone "domination time" than we saw with past models.
It's up for argument how long it will take or even if Android will ever have an app/game (even temporarily) exclusive that's hot enough for many iOS users to wish for it to be ported. IMO, I think we might see that happen sometime next year.
Another indicator is that, here in the US, the desire for iphones was strong enough to drive ~1 million T-Mobile users, including me, to buy it without subsidy, knowing they will have crippled service. No single Android device had similar impact and numbers of users doing that for any Android phones are minimal. Granted, the need for that is minimal since Android is completely carrier agnostic. There is however a trend that started this year, indicating several Android models, most notably the SGS2 and the fall/winter lineup that's really stirring up the battle in the high end Android segment.
The time that takes Android to catch up with Apple's latest models is decreasing as well, due to Android maturing as well as better hardware/features. I would argue that it took Android almost a year to break even with/beat the iphone 4 with the SGS2.
The iphone 4S obviously isn't an iphone 5 but we can still hypothesize that the G Nexus would at least be a worthy opponent to the iphone 5, a mere 2/5 months after it's launch, in a scenario in which the iphone 5 came out in June/September, which as we know is a lot less iphone "domination time" than we saw with past models.
It's up for argument how long it will take or even if Android will ever have an app/game (even temporarily) exclusive that's hot enough for many iOS users to wish for it to be ported. IMO, I think we might see that happen sometime next year.
i'm still hoping for a port of modern warfare or some such game to android that will natively support controllers - via bluetooth like the ps3 one. other games just don't grab me. i tried angry birds for a bit but when season came out i was bored of it and can't be bothered with touchscreen controls.
i'm also hoping for a custom controller for phones that essentially is a big battery that the phone can dock with horizontally. that way you can play games on it for a while comfortably while it keeps your phone charged up. i'm picturing a 360 controller with a phone resting where the charge cable goes.
would be better IMO
i'm also hoping for a custom controller for phones that essentially is a big battery that the phone can dock with horizontally. that way you can play games on it for a while comfortably while it keeps your phone charged up. i'm picturing a 360 controller with a phone resting where the charge cable goes.
would be better IMO
MagickMan
Diamond Member
Then he should go to the Apple store and get it replaced, often they'll even do it out of warranty or Applecare. They're good at that sort of thing. You pay a premium, but you get premium service and support.
Ns1
No Lifer
This
Well *I* have a friend who programs for both Android and iOS and while he makes more money per buy on iOS the growth rate for Android and the volume of apps he sells makes it a wash.
Apps are not the same as Apples profits with the hardware.
I think it's incredible that there are people that think iOS apps(or any market for that matter) will be the focus for the majority of developers no matter how small their market share becomes. Yup, the size of the audience has no impact what so ever on where a developer decides to work. One couldn't possibly be more blind than that. That's why the Android Market has been catching up with iOS in size for a long time now(and is expected to surpass it in the not too distant future). The two are so similar now that one can't even objectively call the iOS App Store an advantage anymore, it's a normal feature that other platforms have a perfectly fine alternative to. Minecraft came out for Android first. Times are changing.
You forget only poor people buy Android phones.
Red Storm
Lifer
The apps on Android are improving, it still has a quite a ways to go still however. I think Apple's SDK documentation is the reason behind better functioning and better looking apps from developers.
poofyhairguy
Lifer
What I think is interesting is the fact that as Android grows it fragments become stable platforms on themselves. For example, I wouldn't be surprised if Tegra 3 is successful that there won't be more Tegra devices than modern iDevices in a year. Then as a developer you don't have to try to target Android- just target Tegra and leave the rest to rot.
QueBert
Lifer
iOS developers just seem to care more, I do have a few great looking apps on my Android. The Jamie Oliver 20 Minute Meal one has an amazing UI, is very fluid and just overall bad ass. So it's definitely possibly, but with a few exception even the ports aren't nearly as good. I've used a simple app Square Up on both devices, there's next to no options so it should be exactly the same. But the iOS version just feels higher quality. Honestly with the exception of a rare app here and there that's nice, I don't see the apps getting better. If anything I see the quality actually going down. The fact you can't develop for iOS for free and apps have a screening process will always keep their's higher quality. As this point it's not even close. Android apps are at best functional, which I guess is perfectly fine for most people. And with Android you have more and more people getting their hands on the App Inventor, which is not a good thing imho.
I've made a few apps with it myself, but thankfully I'm smart enough to realize they suck so I decided not to put them in the Market 😀
My programmer friend went out and bought a Mac and is paying every year so he can develop iOS apps. He hasn't actually made an Android one yet, which would cost him ziltch. I think that speaks in volumes.
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