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20 senators don't vote on anti-lynching resolution

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Originally posted by: BBond
Originally posted by: cKGunslinger
Originally posted by: BBond
These are some of the people referred to in the Black Commentator link.

My characterication of them wasn't far off "gunslinger", was it?
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OMG! They don't vote Democrat! They are not true African-Americans! :roll:

Take your racist and stereotypical views elsewhere.
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I think it's quite apparent who and what these people are. And how they're being used. And who is using them.
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Wait, so you're jumping aboard the steeplerot train-of-'thought' that says minorities are too stupid to think for themsleves and are the victims of the 'white agenda?' If so, I'll just exit stage left from this discussion now, as there is no point in arguing with a conspiracy-touting racist.

Do I believe that any senator who directly attempted to quelch anti-lynching legislature should apologize? Yes. Do I believe it makes any sense for the current senate members to formally announce an apology if they had no direct involvement with any such thing? No. If you think that makes me and anyone else who thinks the same thing a bunch of lynching-supporting racists, go right ahead. There's no point in trying to penetrate that cloak of misplaced self-righteousness you've wrapped yourself in.
 
Originally posted by: jahawkin
cKG, great, links from Project 21, Walter Willaims, and LaShawn Barber. This tactics are just like conservatives tactics on glabal warming. Point to a very small, outspoken subset of critics - all with links to conservative think tanks (LaShawn Barber is a member of proj. 21 - Williams is a big fan of Rush Limbaugh that champion of civil rights), who, in shocking fashion, tow the GOP party line. The only function of these groups is to provide cover for the GOP.
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How is this 'just like conservatives tactics on glabal warming?' No one is arguing FACTS here. No one is saying lynching did not occur. No one is saying the senate did not filibuster anti-lynching legislation.

What we are talking about is whether is makes sense for the current senate to apologize for the past actions of previous sessions. Some people think is is, others think it is not. Yet somehow, you have decided that the opinions of those who disagree with you do not matter. And in an effort to 'prove' that your opinions are right, you have chosen to vilify everyone who disagrees by falsely accusing them of being racist or in 'support' of lynchings. :roll:
 
Originally posted by: dannybin1742
Here are the 20 Senators who 1) refused to co-sponsor the anti-lynching resolution passed yesterday, and 2) refused a roll-call vote so they'd have to put their name on the resolution.
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I'm opposed to lynching, but considering it's already illegal, what purpose does the legislation server aside from adding to the ever-expanding federal government?
 
Jeez Louise! I don't know what else what on this bill that got shot down, so I can't make an informed statement until I know.

I hope all of you will consider that when such and 'obvious' bill is drafted, you can bet that a TON of other crap is attached to it. So when you sign into law something like 'Megan's Law', you can bet a ton of other 'pork' things came along with it.

How about a list of ALL of the things that were shot down with this one piece of paper?

Also, how about enforcing more of the laws that are already on the books, before adding a new redundant one?

Hey, while you are at it, why not compose a list (with dates) of the last 5 lynchings in the USA? I'd bet they'd be dated a while back.
 
Originally posted by: dannybin1742
Here are the 20 Senators who 1) refused to co-sponsor the anti-lynching resolution passed yesterday, and 2) refused a roll-call vote so they'd have to put their name on the resolution.

Lamar Alexander (R-TN)
Robert Bennett (R-UT)
Christopher Bond (R-MO)
Jim Bunning (R-KY)
Conrad Burns (R-MT)
Saxby Chambliss (R-GA)
Thad Cochran (R-MS)
Kent Conrad (D-ND)
John Cornyn (R-TX)
Michael Crapo (R-ID)
Michael Enzi (R-WY)
Chuck Grassley (R-IA)
Judd Gregg (R-NH)
Orrin Hatch (R-UT)
Trent Lott (R-MS)
Lisa Murkowski (R-AK)
Richard Shelby (R-AL)
John Sununu (R-NH)
Craig Thomas (R-WY)
George Voinovich (R-OH)

19 Republicans and 1 Democrat, a real wall of shame.


the is that Frist rejected a call by democrats to hold a floor vote, he did this in after hours so that none of the southerners who decided not to vote or sponsor would have to go back and tell their white suppremist constituents what they did.

this is just shameful.
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Good for them. This was a waste of time. I though the democrats wanted to get to the important legislation? Is this it? wow. Talk about living in the past.

CsG
 
Originally posted by: Hecubus2000
Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
Originally posted by: cKGunslinger
Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
Originally posted by: cKGunslinger

Oh noes! You are using rational logic in a purely emotion topic! You must be a lynching supporter!
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That's rationalizing for NOT signing the bill.
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No, that is rationalizing for why the previous poster will be demonized by you and other posters for not immediately jumping aboard the "OMG! The south is a bunch of racists who should secede!!" bandwagon. He proposed a valid question that deserves to be responded to in a logical and thought-out manner, which a assumed (correctly) it wouldn't be.

This is a message board for discussion and debate of issues, not the giant circle-jerk you seem to want it to be.
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Sorry, but condemning racism at every turn is something I do NOT debate. And neither should anybody on this board.
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You know it is possible to condemn racism while at the same time not creating a giant media dog and pony show. This is exactly what these people are doing. I would not sign it either. That apology is not worth the paper it is written on. Ask any Indian.
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:thumbsup:

CsG
 
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: dannybin1742
Here are the 20 Senators who 1) refused to co-sponsor the anti-lynching resolution passed yesterday, and 2) refused a roll-call vote so they'd have to put their name on the resolution.

Lamar Alexander (R-TN)
Robert Bennett (R-UT)
Christopher Bond (R-MO)
Jim Bunning (R-KY)
Conrad Burns (R-MT)
Saxby Chambliss (R-GA)
Thad Cochran (R-MS)
Kent Conrad (D-ND)
John Cornyn (R-TX)
Michael Crapo (R-ID)
Michael Enzi (R-WY)
Chuck Grassley (R-IA)
Judd Gregg (R-NH)
Orrin Hatch (R-UT)
Trent Lott (R-MS)
Lisa Murkowski (R-AK)
Richard Shelby (R-AL)
John Sununu (R-NH)
Craig Thomas (R-WY)
George Voinovich (R-OH)

19 Republicans and 1 Democrat, a real wall of shame.


the is that Frist rejected a call by democrats to hold a floor vote, he did this in after hours so that none of the southerners who decided not to vote or sponsor would have to go back and tell their white suppremist constituents what they did.

this is just shameful.
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Good for them. This was a waste of time. I though the democrats wanted to get to the important legislation? Is this it? wow. Talk about living in the past.

CsG
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I never thought that apologizing for lynchings would be a waste of time. And not apologizing is good?

These 20 senators had a chance to put this in the past forever, but they decided instead to keep the issue burning.

At least some Republicans decided to join with it. The rest are just radical fringe conservatives who hopefully will not be here come 2006.
 
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: cKGunslinger

US Newswire Release
WASHINGTON, June 15 /U.S. Newswire/ -- On June 13, the U.S. Senate passed a resolution by a voice vote apologizing to the victims, survivors and descendent of racist lynchings that occurred between 1882 and 1968.
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Damn racists! :roll:
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A voice vote? So where do you people get off whining about the "list"?

CsG
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Here are the 20 Senators who 1) refused to co-sponsor the anti-lynching resolution passed yesterday, and 2) refused a roll-call vote so they'd have to put their name on the resolution.
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They have the ability to co-sponsor the resolution before and EVEN AFTER it has passed. They could still do so today, yet they refuse.
 
and then the ?jew-controlled? media didn't report on it?
I don?t buy it, that?s big ratings if it means a thing.
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the american people didn't do it.

Lintchings in america
1890-1899 1111
1900-1909 791
1910-1919 569
1920-1929 281
1930-1939 119
1940-1949 31
1950-1959 6
1960-1969 3
 
Originally posted by: totalcommand
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: cKGunslinger

US Newswire Release
WASHINGTON, June 15 /U.S. Newswire/ -- On June 13, the U.S. Senate passed a resolution by a voice vote apologizing to the victims, survivors and descendent of racist lynchings that occurred between 1882 and 1968.
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Damn racists! :roll:
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A voice vote? So where do you people get off whining about the "list"?

CsG
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Here are the 20 Senators who 1) refused to co-sponsor the anti-lynching resolution passed yesterday, and 2) refused a roll-call vote so they'd have to put their name on the resolution.
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They have the ability to co-sponsor the resolution before and EVEN AFTER it has passed. They could still do so today, yet they refuse.
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Big deal - it's still a waste of time and means nothing. The legislation was a dog and pony show - nothing more - nothing less.

CsG
 
Originally posted by: totalcommand
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: dannybin1742
Here are the 20 Senators who 1) refused to co-sponsor the anti-lynching resolution passed yesterday, and 2) refused a roll-call vote so they'd have to put their name on the resolution.

Lamar Alexander (R-TN)
Robert Bennett (R-UT)
Christopher Bond (R-MO)
Jim Bunning (R-KY)
Conrad Burns (R-MT)
Saxby Chambliss (R-GA)
Thad Cochran (R-MS)
Kent Conrad (D-ND)
John Cornyn (R-TX)
Michael Crapo (R-ID)
Michael Enzi (R-WY)
Chuck Grassley (R-IA)
Judd Gregg (R-NH)
Orrin Hatch (R-UT)
Trent Lott (R-MS)
Lisa Murkowski (R-AK)
Richard Shelby (R-AL)
John Sununu (R-NH)
Craig Thomas (R-WY)
George Voinovich (R-OH)

19 Republicans and 1 Democrat, a real wall of shame.


the is that Frist rejected a call by democrats to hold a floor vote, he did this in after hours so that none of the southerners who decided not to vote or sponsor would have to go back and tell their white suppremist constituents what they did.

this is just shameful.
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Good for them. This was a waste of time. I though the democrats wanted to get to the important legislation? Is this it? wow. Talk about living in the past.

CsG
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I never thought that apologizing for lynchings would be a waste of time. And not apologizing is good?

These 20 senators had a chance to put this in the past forever, but they decided instead to keep the issue burning.

At least some Republicans decided to join with it. The rest are just radical fringe conservatives who hopefully will not be here come 2006.
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Yes it is a waste of time. IT's the PAST!!! Get over it. There is plenty of real legislation to work on instead of putting on a little show for the media and activists.

CsG
 
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: totalcommand
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: cKGunslinger

US Newswire Release
WASHINGTON, June 15 /U.S. Newswire/ -- On June 13, the U.S. Senate passed a resolution by a voice vote apologizing to the victims, survivors and descendent of racist lynchings that occurred between 1882 and 1968.
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Damn racists! :roll:
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A voice vote? So where do you people get off whining about the "list"?

CsG
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Here are the 20 Senators who 1) refused to co-sponsor the anti-lynching resolution passed yesterday, and 2) refused a roll-call vote so they'd have to put their name on the resolution.
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They have the ability to co-sponsor the resolution before and EVEN AFTER it has passed. They could still do so today, yet they refuse.
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Big deal - it's still a waste of time and means nothing. The legislation was a dog and pony show - nothing more - nothing less.

CsG
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The vote really doesn't take much time, and in fact, I think there were only 5 senators on the floor when the vote was conducted.

The real show is the 20 senators who refuse to co-sponsor the resolution. They are the ones making the statement.

I'm sure it means nothing to you and other fringe conservatives, but it probably means a lot to people who have family members who were involved in this.
 
you people have no respect for the people who died.

this was a form of terrorism against blacks. it's purpose was to inflict terror.

i think all wrongs should be apologized for, even the institutional wrongs of the Senate.
 
Let's have the institution called the Senate apologize. Let's have those 20 senators apologize for the terrorism that was ignored in the U.S. past.
 
Originally posted by: totalcommand
Let's have the institution called the Senate apologize. Let's have those 20 senators apologize for the terrorism that was ignored in the U.S. past.
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I'm not sure what you are suggesting. However, it sounds like you would agree that President Clinton, Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, et al should make a public apology for a black teenager who killed my Grandmother?

Sorry, I don't see that the actions of individuals should become a stigma for entire groups. But then, I'm not a racist and I can understand racists having that attitude.

Always when asked why someone hates a particular group it comes down to "someone who fits in that group did something bad to me." To which I answer, "so, if someone from YOUR group did something bad to you would you hate YOUR group?"

Of course, racists don't get it.
 
BTW, no one has responded yet to my question.

If only 20 senators voted against this "bill" then how did it fail? 80% of the vote is enough to overcome any obstacles and would even allow a constitutional amendment. Yet, in this case we are to believe that 80% was not enough to pass?
 
Wow,

Why is this all about Dems and Repubs to when your a GOP booster? While the list only has one modern day democrat on it, I don't see this as a tool that anyone should be using against Rebubs. The issue is racial equality and not lynching someone because they are black. It's sad that so many of you can't just see this for what it is- a list of senators who are still giving a friendly nod to racism.

-Reader
 
I heard on the radio another reason not to "apologize."

It turns out that behind the demands for an apology are lawyers waiting to sue. Once an "official" apology is made apparently that connotates an admission of guilt thus opening the doors for lawsuits.

Let's see. My mother was killed by (withheld because in 5 minutes you would know who I was). My grandmother was murdered by (this information is not important). In both cases there was neglect. In one case by a city and in another by a nursing home which is probably regulated by the city.

Hmmm, any lawyers out there want a case?
 
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