20 senators don't vote on anti-lynching resolution

dannybin1742

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Here are the 20 Senators who 1) refused to co-sponsor the anti-lynching resolution passed yesterday, and 2) refused a roll-call vote so they'd have to put their name on the resolution.

Lamar Alexander (R-TN)
Robert Bennett (R-UT)
Christopher Bond (R-MO)
Jim Bunning (R-KY)
Conrad Burns (R-MT)
Saxby Chambliss (R-GA)
Thad Cochran (R-MS)
Kent Conrad (D-ND)
John Cornyn (R-TX)
Michael Crapo (R-ID)
Michael Enzi (R-WY)
Chuck Grassley (R-IA)
Judd Gregg (R-NH)
Orrin Hatch (R-UT)
Trent Lott (R-MS)
Lisa Murkowski (R-AK)
Richard Shelby (R-AL)
John Sununu (R-NH)
Craig Thomas (R-WY)
George Voinovich (R-OH)

19 Republicans and 1 Democrat, a real wall of shame.


the is that Frist rejected a call by democrats to hold a floor vote, he did this in after hours so that none of the southerners who decided not to vote or sponsor would have to go back and tell their white suppremist constituents what they did.

this is just shameful.
 

Riprorin

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And you aren't shamed that senate leader Robert Byrd (D-WV) was a KKK recruiter?

In his book When Jim Crow Met John Bull [1](http://www.heretical.com/smith/wwar2.html), Graham Smith referred to a letter written that year by Byrd to racist Senator Theodore Bilbo of Mississippi, in which Byrd vowed never to fight, "with a Negro by my side. Rather I should die a thousand times, and see Old Glory trampled in the dirt never to rise again, than to see this beloved land of ours become degraded by race mongrels, a throwback to the blackest specimen from the wilds." [2] (http://www.gmu.edu/departments/economics/wew/articles/02/standards.html) In a 1946 letter, he wrote, "The Klan is needed today as never before and I am anxious to see its rebirth here in West Virginia."

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Zebo

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Originally posted by: Riprorin
And you aren't shamed that senate leader Robert Byrd (D-WV) was a KKK recruiter?

In his book When Jim Crow Met John Bull [1](http://www.heretical.com/smith/wwar2.html), Graham Smith referred to a letter written that year by Byrd to racist Senator Theodore Bilbo of Mississippi, in which Byrd vowed never to fight, "with a Negro by my side. Rather I should die a thousand times, and see Old Glory trampled in the dirt never to rise again, than to see this beloved land of ours become degraded by race mongrels, a throwback to the blackest specimen from the wilds." [2] (http://www.gmu.edu/departments/economics/wew/articles/02/standards.html) In a 1946 letter, he wrote, "The Klan is needed today as never before and I am anxious to see its rebirth here in West Virginia."

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Not really that was a long time ago, people change. You can too. Not to mention those parts aboout forgiveness in the good book you claim to aspouse.
 

polm

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Originally posted by: Gigantopithecus
Pathetic. What possible grounds are there for this embarassing behavior?


Rip seems to be of the opinion that it's justified because Robert Byrd was a KKK recruiter.

Anyone agree ?
 

Zebo

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Robert Byrd voted for it, he's agianst lynching now unlike these 20.
 

BBond

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azazyel

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WTF is this about? What is anti-lynching? I'm from the North West so I really don't know does lynching just mean hanging or is it something worse?
 

BBond

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SEN. MARY LANDRIEU:

Jazz legend Billie Holiday provided us with some real texture in her story and song, "Strange Fruit," which I will submit to the record. She defied her own record label and produced and published this song on her own, was threatened by her life because she continued to sing it. But like so many things, words can't always describe what's happening, even though speeches were given, words were written, newspapers were published. But something in the way she sang this song, something in the pictures that described the event, must have touched the heart of Americans, because they began to mobilize, and men and women, white and black, people from different backgrounds, came to stand up and begin to speak. And they spoke, Mr. President, with loud voices and with moving speeches and with great marches. But the Senate of the United States, one of the most noble experiments in democracy, continued to pretend to act that this was not happening in America and continued to fail to act.

In March of 1892, three personal friends of Ida B. Wells opened the People's Grocery Company, a store located across the street from a white-owned grocery store that had previously been the only grocer in the area. Angered by the loss of business, a mob gathered to run the new grocers out of town. Forewarned about the attack on their store, the three owners armed themselves for protection, and in the riot that ensued one of the businessmen injured a white man. All three were arrested and jailed. Days later, the mob kidnapped the men from jail and lynched them. This was the case that led Ida B. Wells to begin to speak out against this injustice.

Her great-grandson is with us today. He's told his story through the halls of Congress, to give testimony to her life and to her courage and to her historic efforts. Without the work of this extraordinarily brave journalist, this story could never really have been told in the way it's being told now, today, and talked about here on the Senate floor. To her, we owe a great deal of gratitude. She knew these men personally. She knew that they were businessmen. They were not criminals. She knew that they were successful salespeople, not common thugs. And she wrote and she spoke and she tried to gather pictures to tell a story to a nation that simply refused to believe.

Forty-two years and a thousands of lynchings later is the case of Claude Neal, of Marianna, Florida. After 10 hours of torture, Claude Neal (quote) ?confessed? to the murder of a girl with whom he was allegedly having an affair. For his safety, he was transferred to an Alabama prison. A mob took him from there, they cut off his body parts, they sliced his sides and stomach. And then people would randomly continue to cut off a finger here, a toe there. From time to time, they would tie a noose around him; throw the rope over a tree limb. The mob would keep him there in that position until he almost died, then lower him again, to begin the torment all over. And after several hours, and I guess the crowd exhausted themselves, they just decided to kill him. His body was then dragged by car back to Marianna, and 7,000 people from 11 states were there to see his body in the courthouse of the town square. Pictures were taken and sold for 50 cents apiece.

And one might ask, how do we know all of the grisly details of Claude Neal's death? It's very simple. The newspapers in Florida had given advance notice, and they recorded it, one horrible moment after another. One of the members of the lynch mob proudly relayed all the details that reporters had missed, seeing it in person. Yet, even with the public notice, 7,000 people in attendance and people bragging about the activity, federal authorities were impotent to stop this murder. State authorities seemed to condone it. And the Senate of the United States refused to act.
 

BBond

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Originally posted by: azazyel
WTF is this about? What is anti-lynching? I'm from the North West so I really don't know does lynching just mean hanging or is it something worse?

More than 200 anti -lynching bills were introduced in congress in the first part of the century and the House of Representatives passed anti-lynching bills three times. However, the legislation was repeatedly blocked by Senators from the South and almost 5,000 people -- mostly African-Americans -- were lynched between 1882 and 1968.

America the Beautiful
 

azazyel

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Originally posted by: BBond
Originally posted by: azazyel
WTF is this about? What is anti-lynching? I'm from the North West so I really don't know does lynching just mean hanging or is it something worse?

More than 200 anti -lynching bills were introduced in congress in the first part of the century and the House of Representatives passed anti-lynching bills three times. However, the legislation was repeatedly blocked by Senators from the South and almost 5,000 people -- mostly African-Americans -- were lynched between 1882 and 1968.

America the Beautiful

I read what you bolded above and all I have to say is, does this really need to be a law. From what I got from the article lynching is just mob violence? Seems like we already have laws against that.
 

DealMonkey

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Originally posted by: Riprorin
And you aren't shamed that senate leader Robert Byrd (D-WV) was a KKK recruiter?

In his book When Jim Crow Met John Bull [1](http://www.heretical.com/smith/wwar2.html), Graham Smith referred to a letter written that year by Byrd to racist Senator Theodore Bilbo of Mississippi, in which Byrd vowed never to fight, "with a Negro by my side. Rather I should die a thousand times, and see Old Glory trampled in the dirt never to rise again, than to see this beloved land of ours become degraded by race mongrels, a throwback to the blackest specimen from the wilds." [2] (http://www.gmu.edu/departments/economics/wew/articles/02/standards.html) In a 1946 letter, he wrote, "The Klan is needed today as never before and I am anxious to see its rebirth here in West Virginia."

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Duh-version. Address the topic please.
 

Riprorin

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Originally posted by: polm
Originally posted by: Gigantopithecus
Pathetic. What possible grounds are there for this embarassing behavior?


Rip seems to be of the opinion that it's justified because Robert Byrd was a KKK recruiter.

Anyone agree ?

I'm not familiar with the legislation so I can't comment on it.
 

BBond

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Originally posted by: azazyel
Originally posted by: BBond
Originally posted by: azazyel
WTF is this about? What is anti-lynching? I'm from the North West so I really don't know does lynching just mean hanging or is it something worse?

More than 200 anti -lynching bills were introduced in congress in the first part of the century and the House of Representatives passed anti-lynching bills three times. However, the legislation was repeatedly blocked by Senators from the South and almost 5,000 people -- mostly African-Americans -- were lynched between 1882 and 1968.

America the Beautiful

I read what you bolded above and all I have to say is, does this really need to be a law. From what I got from the article lynching is just mob violence? Seems like we already have laws against that.

The U.S. Senate must have felt the same way you feel for all the years they refused to intercede.

Lynching was the state sanctioned method of keeping blacks "in their place" from 1882 to 1968.

You're obviously not getting the jist of this.
 

BBond

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Originally posted by: Riprorin
Originally posted by: polm
Originally posted by: Gigantopithecus
Pathetic. What possible grounds are there for this embarassing behavior?


Rip seems to be of the opinion that it's justified because Robert Byrd was a KKK recruiter.

Anyone agree ?

I'm not familiar with the legislation so I can't comment on it.

You're not familiar with murdering mobs either, are you? So you can't comment on them either, can you? You self righteous hypocrite.
 

Riprorin

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Originally posted by: BBond
Originally posted by: Riprorin
Originally posted by: polm
Originally posted by: Gigantopithecus
Pathetic. What possible grounds are there for this embarassing behavior?


Rip seems to be of the opinion that it's justified because Robert Byrd was a KKK recruiter.

Anyone agree ?

I'm not familiar with the legislation so I can't comment on it.

You're not familiar with murdering mobs either, are you? So you can't comment on them either, can you? You self righteous hypocrite.

I know absolutely nothing about the resolution so I can't make an informed comment about it.

And you infer from that that I'm a "self righteous hypocrit" who supports "murdering mobs"?


 

azazyel

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Originally posted by: BBond


The U.S. Senate must have felt the same way you feel for all the years they refused to intercede.

Lynching was the state sanctioned method of keeping blacks "in their place" from 1882 to 1968.

You're obviously not getting the jist of this.


I get it but it just doesn't make that much sense. It's just seems that it's like hate crime legislation. We already have laws that do the same thing. What real affect would this law have?

Also, which states sanctioned lynching?
 

Hecubus2000

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I hate to break the news to you, but most of the people that condoned this type of behaviour back then were democrats. I guess that explains why they are coming out in force to apologize.
 

BBond

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Originally posted by: Riprorin
Originally posted by: BBond
Originally posted by: Riprorin
Originally posted by: polm
Originally posted by: Gigantopithecus
Pathetic. What possible grounds are there for this embarassing behavior?


Rip seems to be of the opinion that it's justified because Robert Byrd was a KKK recruiter.

Anyone agree ?

I'm not familiar with the legislation so I can't comment on it.

You're not familiar with murdering mobs either, are you? So you can't comment on them either, can you? You self righteous hypocrite.

I know absolutely nothing about the resolution so I can't make an informed comment about it.

And you infer from that that I'm a "self righteous hypocrit" who supports "murdering mobs"?

Instead of condemning murdering mobs who took the law into their own hands and lynched people for 86 years in the United States, you chose to make some ridiculous obfuscation on one of your favorite detours whenever racism comes up, Robert Byrd.

Do you condemn lynching, RIP??? Or are you one of those good people who would show up with the family and a picnic lunch to enjoy the festivities and buy a picture to commemorate the occasion?

 

sandorski

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Saw a documentary on Lynching recently. It even included pictures of whole families dressed in their Sunday best attending the lynching. To them it wasn't a Mob at all, it was an Event. Quite disturbing.
 

Riprorin

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Originally posted by: BBond
Originally posted by: Riprorin
Originally posted by: BBond
Originally posted by: Riprorin
Originally posted by: polm
Originally posted by: Gigantopithecus
Pathetic. What possible grounds are there for this embarassing behavior?


Rip seems to be of the opinion that it's justified because Robert Byrd was a KKK recruiter.

Anyone agree ?

I'm not familiar with the legislation so I can't comment on it.

You're not familiar with murdering mobs either, are you? So you can't comment on them either, can you? You self righteous hypocrite.

I know absolutely nothing about the resolution so I can't make an informed comment about it.

And you infer from that that I'm a "self righteous hypocrit" who supports "murdering mobs"?

Instead of condemning murdering mobs who took the law into their own hands and lynched people for 86 years in the United States, you chose to make some ridiculous obfuscation on one of your favorite detours whenever racism comes up, Robert Byrd.

Do you condemn lynching, RIP??? Or are you one of those good people who would show up with the family and a picnic lunch to enjoy the festivities and buy a picture to commemorate the occasion?

Yes, I condemn lynching. Always have and always will.

And I suspect that those that voted against the resolution agree with me.
 

Czar

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Originally posted by: BBond
SEN. MARY LANDRIEU:

Jazz legend Billie Holiday provided us with some real texture in her story and song, "Strange Fruit," which I will submit to the record. She defied her own record label and produced and published this song on her own, was threatened by her life because she continued to sing it. But like so many things, words can't always describe what's happening, even though speeches were given, words were written, newspapers were published. But something in the way she sang this song, something in the pictures that described the event, must have touched the heart of Americans, because they began to mobilize, and men and women, white and black, people from different backgrounds, came to stand up and begin to speak. And they spoke, Mr. President, with loud voices and with moving speeches and with great marches. But the Senate of the United States, one of the most noble experiments in democracy, continued to pretend to act that this was not happening in America and continued to fail to act.

In March of 1892, three personal friends of Ida B. Wells opened the People's Grocery Company, a store located across the street from a white-owned grocery store that had previously been the only grocer in the area. Angered by the loss of business, a mob gathered to run the new grocers out of town. Forewarned about the attack on their store, the three owners armed themselves for protection, and in the riot that ensued one of the businessmen injured a white man. All three were arrested and jailed. Days later, the mob kidnapped the men from jail and lynched them. This was the case that led Ida B. Wells to begin to speak out against this injustice.

Her great-grandson is with us today. He's told his story through the halls of Congress, to give testimony to her life and to her courage and to her historic efforts. Without the work of this extraordinarily brave journalist, this story could never really have been told in the way it's being told now, today, and talked about here on the Senate floor. To her, we owe a great deal of gratitude. She knew these men personally. She knew that they were businessmen. They were not criminals. She knew that they were successful salespeople, not common thugs. And she wrote and she spoke and she tried to gather pictures to tell a story to a nation that simply refused to believe.

Forty-two years and a thousands of lynchings later is the case of Claude Neal, of Marianna, Florida. After 10 hours of torture, Claude Neal (quote) ?confessed? to the murder of a girl with whom he was allegedly having an affair. For his safety, he was transferred to an Alabama prison. A mob took him from there, they cut off his body parts, they sliced his sides and stomach. And then people would randomly continue to cut off a finger here, a toe there. From time to time, they would tie a noose around him; throw the rope over a tree limb. The mob would keep him there in that position until he almost died, then lower him again, to begin the torment all over. And after several hours, and I guess the crowd exhausted themselves, they just decided to kill him. His body was then dragged by car back to Marianna, and 7,000 people from 11 states were there to see his body in the courthouse of the town square. Pictures were taken and sold for 50 cents apiece.

And one might ask, how do we know all of the grisly details of Claude Neal's death? It's very simple. The newspapers in Florida had given advance notice, and they recorded it, one horrible moment after another. One of the members of the lynch mob proudly relayed all the details that reporters had missed, seeing it in person. Yet, even with the public notice, 7,000 people in attendance and people bragging about the activity, federal authorities were impotent to stop this murder. State authorities seemed to condone it. And the Senate of the United States refused to act.

fsck! :|


:|:|:|
 

Phokus

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Originally posted by: Czar
Originally posted by: BBond
SEN. MARY LANDRIEU:

Jazz legend Billie Holiday provided us with some real texture in her story and song, "Strange Fruit," which I will submit to the record. She defied her own record label and produced and published this song on her own, was threatened by her life because she continued to sing it. But like so many things, words can't always describe what's happening, even though speeches were given, words were written, newspapers were published. But something in the way she sang this song, something in the pictures that described the event, must have touched the heart of Americans, because they began to mobilize, and men and women, white and black, people from different backgrounds, came to stand up and begin to speak. And they spoke, Mr. President, with loud voices and with moving speeches and with great marches. But the Senate of the United States, one of the most noble experiments in democracy, continued to pretend to act that this was not happening in America and continued to fail to act.

In March of 1892, three personal friends of Ida B. Wells opened the People's Grocery Company, a store located across the street from a white-owned grocery store that had previously been the only grocer in the area. Angered by the loss of business, a mob gathered to run the new grocers out of town. Forewarned about the attack on their store, the three owners armed themselves for protection, and in the riot that ensued one of the businessmen injured a white man. All three were arrested and jailed. Days later, the mob kidnapped the men from jail and lynched them. This was the case that led Ida B. Wells to begin to speak out against this injustice.

Her great-grandson is with us today. He's told his story through the halls of Congress, to give testimony to her life and to her courage and to her historic efforts. Without the work of this extraordinarily brave journalist, this story could never really have been told in the way it's being told now, today, and talked about here on the Senate floor. To her, we owe a great deal of gratitude. She knew these men personally. She knew that they were businessmen. They were not criminals. She knew that they were successful salespeople, not common thugs. And she wrote and she spoke and she tried to gather pictures to tell a story to a nation that simply refused to believe.

Forty-two years and a thousands of lynchings later is the case of Claude Neal, of Marianna, Florida. After 10 hours of torture, Claude Neal (quote) ?confessed? to the murder of a girl with whom he was allegedly having an affair. For his safety, he was transferred to an Alabama prison. A mob took him from there, they cut off his body parts, they sliced his sides and stomach. And then people would randomly continue to cut off a finger here, a toe there. From time to time, they would tie a noose around him; throw the rope over a tree limb. The mob would keep him there in that position until he almost died, then lower him again, to begin the torment all over. And after several hours, and I guess the crowd exhausted themselves, they just decided to kill him. His body was then dragged by car back to Marianna, and 7,000 people from 11 states were there to see his body in the courthouse of the town square. Pictures were taken and sold for 50 cents apiece.

And one might ask, how do we know all of the grisly details of Claude Neal's death? It's very simple. The newspapers in Florida had given advance notice, and they recorded it, one horrible moment after another. One of the members of the lynch mob proudly relayed all the details that reporters had missed, seeing it in person. Yet, even with the public notice, 7,000 people in attendance and people bragging about the activity, federal authorities were impotent to stop this murder. State authorities seemed to condone it. And the Senate of the United States refused to act.

fsck! :|


:|:|:|

I, for one, would not be sad if the south broke away from the north american continent and just drifted away somewhere else.
 

Phokus

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Originally posted by: Riprorin
Originally posted by: BBond
Originally posted by: Riprorin
Originally posted by: BBond
Originally posted by: Riprorin
Originally posted by: polm
Originally posted by: Gigantopithecus
Pathetic. What possible grounds are there for this embarassing behavior?


Rip seems to be of the opinion that it's justified because Robert Byrd was a KKK recruiter.

Anyone agree ?

I'm not familiar with the legislation so I can't comment on it.

You're not familiar with murdering mobs either, are you? So you can't comment on them either, can you? You self righteous hypocrite.

I know absolutely nothing about the resolution so I can't make an informed comment about it.

And you infer from that that I'm a "self righteous hypocrit" who supports "murdering mobs"?

Instead of condemning murdering mobs who took the law into their own hands and lynched people for 86 years in the United States, you chose to make some ridiculous obfuscation on one of your favorite detours whenever racism comes up, Robert Byrd.

Do you condemn lynching, RIP??? Or are you one of those good people who would show up with the family and a picnic lunch to enjoy the festivities and buy a picture to commemorate the occasion?

Yes, I condemn lynching. Always have and always will.

And I suspect that those that voted against the resolution agree with me.

For someone who has so much righteous 'fire and brimstone' indignation when it comes to 'the sanctity of life', you sure are quiet over this.