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20 Amazing Facts about Voting in the USA

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20 Amazing Facts about Voting in the USA


1. 80% of all votes in America are counted by only two companies:
Diebold and ES&S.
http://www.onlinejournal.com/evoting/042804Lan...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diebold


2. There is no federal agency with regulatory authority or oversight
of the U.S. voting machine industry.
http://www.commondreams.org/views02/0916-04.htm
http://www.onlinejournal.com/evoting/042804La...


3. The vice-president of Diebold and the president of ES&S are
brothers.
http://www.americanfreepress.n...l/private_company.html
http://www.onlinejournal.com/evoting/042804Lan...


4. The chairman and CEO of Diebold is a major Bush campaign
organizer and donor who wrote in 2003 that he was "committed to
helping Ohio deliver its electoral votes to the president next year."
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/07/28/sun...
http://www.wishtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=1647886


5. Republican Senator Chuck Hagel used to be chairman of ES&S.
He became a senator based on votes counted by ES&S machines.
http://www.motherjones.com/commentary/colum...
http://www.onlinejournal.com/evoting/031004Fitr...


6. Republican Senator Chuck Hagel, long connected with the Bush
family, was recently caught lying about his ownership of ES&S by
the Senate Ethics Committee.
http://www.blackboxvoting.com/modules.p...
http://www.hillnews.com/news/012903/hagel.aspx
http://www.onlisareinsradar.com/archives/000896.php


7. Senator Chuck Hagel was on a short list of George W. Bush's
vice-presidential candidates.
http://www.businessweek.com/2000/00_28/b3689130.htm
http://theindependent.com/stor...52700/new_hagel27.html


8. ES&S is the largest voting machine manufacturer in the U.S. and
counts almost 60% of all U.S. votes.
http://www.essvote.com/HTML/about/about.html
http://www.onlinejournal.com/evoting/042804Land...


9. Diebold's new touch screen voting machines have no paper trail
of any votes. In other words, there is no way to verify that the data
coming out of the machine is the same as what was legitimately put
in by voters.
http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0225-05.htm
http://www.itworld.com/Tech/2987/041020evote...


10. Diebold also makes ATMs, checkout scanners, and ticket
machines, all of which log each transaction and can generate a
paper trail.
http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0225-05.htm
http://www.diebold.com/solutions/default.htm


11. Diebold is based in Ohio.
http://www.diebold.com/aboutus/ataglance/default.htm


12. Diebold employed 5 convicted felons as senior managers and
developers to help write the central compiler computer code that
counted 50% of the votes in 30 states.
http://www.wired.com/news/evote/0,2645,61640,00.html
http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2004/10/301469.shtml


13. Jeff Dean, Diebold's senior vice president and senior
programmer on Diebold's central compiler code, was convicted of
23 counts of felony theft in the first degree.
http://www.chuckherrin.com/HackthevoteFAQ.htm#how
http://www.blackboxvoting.org/bbv_chapter-8.pdf


14. Diebold senior vice president Jeff Dean was convicted of
planting back doors in his software and using a "high degree of
sophistication" to evade detection over a period of 2 years.
http://www.chuckherrin.com/HackthevoteFAQ.htm#how
http://www.blackboxvoting.org/bbv_chapter-8.pdf


15. None of the international election observers were allowed in the
polls in Ohio.
http://www.globalexchange.org/update/press/2638.html
http://www.enquirer.com/editio.../10/26/loc_elexoh.html


16. California banned the use of Diebold machines because the
security was so bad. Despite Diebold's claims that the audit logs
could not be hacked, a chimpanzee was able to do it! (See the
movie here <http://blackboxvoting.org/baxter/baxterVPR.mov>
http://wired.com/news/evote/0,2645,63298,00.html
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4874190



17. 30% of all U.S. votes are carried out on unverifiable touch
screen voting machines with no paper trail.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/07/28/sund...


18. All--not some--but all the voting machine errors detected and
reported in Florida went in favor of Bush or Republican candidates.
http://www.wired.com/news/evote/0,2645,65757,00.html
http://www.yuricareport.com/ElectionAftermat...
http://www.rise4news.net/extravotes.html
http://www.ilcaonline.org/modules.php?op=modloa...
http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0411/S00227.htm


19. The governor of the state of Florida, Jeb Bush, is the President's
brother.
http://www.tallahassee.com/mld/tallahassee/ne...
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articl...


20. Serious voting anomalies in Florida--again always favoring
Bush--have been mathematically demonstrated and experts are
recommending further investigation.
http://www.yuricareport.com/ElectionAftermath04/ThreeR...
http://www.computerworld.com/governmenttopics/governm....
http://www.americanfreepress.n...tens_of_thousands.html
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/1106-30.htm
http://www.consortiumnews.com/2004/110904.html
http://uscountvotes.org/



 
"Those who cast the votes decide nothing. Those who count the votes decide everything." Joseph Stalin (attributed)
 
4. The chairman and CEO of Diebold is a major Bush campaign
organizer and donor who wrote in 2003 that he was "committed to
helping Ohio deliver its electoral votes to the president next year."
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How exactly does one in his position do this? 😉


6. Republican Senator Chuck Hagel, long connected with the Bush
family, was recently caught lying about his ownership of ES&amp;S by
the Senate Ethics Committee.
Click to expand...
Why would one lie about this? 😉


9. Diebold's new touch screen voting machines have no paper trail
of any votes. In other words, there is no way to verify that the data
coming out of the machine is the same as what was legitimately put
in by voters.

10. Diebold also makes ATMs, checkout scanners, and ticket
machines, all of which log each transaction and can generate a
paper trail.
Click to expand...
I freely admit to know very little about electronic voting, but, a paper trail would seem to be a necessary part of a reliable voting system. Am I wrong?


15. None of the international election observers were allowed in the
polls in Ohio.
Click to expand...
Links were from October. Were they ever given access? If not, why?
 
I think the most surprising thing is Kerry's quick and easy bow-out. Out of all the people who are pissed, Kerry has been pretty silent. It's as if he didn't want to win in the first place. Hmmm. Is it possible Kerry is a puppet of the right-wingers?

One thing is for sure, the Democratic party has completely failed the Democrats in this country. Instead of bitching about Bush's failures, maybe the Left should look into their party's failed attempt at stopping him.
 
Silly liberal, they're just 20 coincidences, that's all. Much like that Global Coincidence that scientists say is warming up the earth...those silly scientists...
 
Why isn't this on the news? They talk about election problems in Ukraine and Iraq. Why not here at home? I am starting to think the mainstream media are in on the scam.
 
It's time for a million voter march.

No Justice, No Peace...

I mean seriously, you-all have absolute proof the vote was rigged, shouldn't there be a revolution somewhere now?

You-all need to take to the streets.

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.commondreams.org/views04/1211-25.htm"> Winning in the Streets
What We Can Learn from Massive Demonstrations in the Ukraine</a>

Or is this all the bleating of sheep?
 
Since I have guns I try and ignore this type of stuff. Randy weaver part deux if I read too much.
 
Originally posted by: Pliablemoose
It's time for a million voter march.

No Justice, No Peace...

I mean seriously, you-all have absolute proof the vote was rigged, shouldn't there be a revolution somewhere now?

You-all need to take to the streets.

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.commondreams.org/views04/1211-25.htm"> Winning in the Streets
What We Can Learn from Massive Demonstrations in the Ukraine</a>

Or is this all the bleating of sheep?
Click to expand...

You answered your own question with the link you provided:

"The difference, of course, is history. After hundreds of years of rule by Moscow, independence is a cherished thing in Ukraine. After 80 years of communist rule, most Ukrainians well understand the dangers of autocratic government, or that state-controlled media lies. Democracy is not taken for granted.

In America, by contrast, we have no such history, and instead of skepticism about authority our heads are swelled from birth with jingoistic bilge about how perfect American democracy is, how great and infallible our country is, how righteous is our form of government. For all the decades of conservatives bashing big government, we have surprisingly little skepticism, and for all the triumph of our popular will, we have a surprisingly widespread belief that there's nothing ordinary people here can do to change things.
"
 
Originally posted by: Pliablemoose
It's time for a million voter march.

No Justice, No Peace...

I mean seriously, you-all have absolute proof the vote was rigged, shouldn't there be a revolution somewhere now?

You-all need to take to the streets.

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.commondreams.org/views04/1211-25.htm"> Winning in the Streets
What We Can Learn from Massive Demonstrations in the Ukraine</a>

Or is this all the bleating of sheep?
Click to expand...


They'll wait for the DNC leaders to start. Otherwise, it won't happen. Where are Kerry and his 10,000 lawyers?
 
Originally posted by: Ldir
Why isn't this on the news? They talk about election problems in Ukraine and Iraq. Why not here at home? I am starting to think the mainstream media are in on the scam.
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I was stuck in Washington-Dulles the night of the election, so I caught way too much CNN - I started laughing out loud when Colin Powell came on and said something to the effect "The Ukraine's election is invalid because they do not hold elections in a way that the IEC will certify" ... thinking, of course, that our last election met even fewer criteria for IEC certification.
 
Originally posted by: CaptainGoodnight
Funny thing is that the Diebold voting machines were not used in Ohio.
Click to expand...

ES&amp;S and Triad machines were, but they WERE mentioned above.

Oh and breaking news.... Green Party Presidential candidate David Cobb has just announced that on December 10, 2004, a Triad technician unwarrantedly tampered with a tabulator in one of the counties that the recount will focus on (the recount is statewide, but this is one county that will be looked at especially).

Triad is the company that makes the vote counters... it is based out of Xenia, OH.
 
Originally posted by: Zebo
Originally posted by: Pliablemoose
It's time for a million voter march.

No Justice, No Peace...

I mean seriously, you-all have absolute proof the vote was rigged, shouldn't there be a revolution somewhere now?

You-all need to take to the streets.

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.commondreams.org/views04/1211-25.htm"> Winning in the Streets
What We Can Learn from Massive Demonstrations in the Ukraine</a>

Or is this all the bleating of sheep?
Click to expand...

You answered your own question with the link you provided:

"The difference, of course, is history. After hundreds of years of rule by Moscow, independence is a cherished thing in Ukraine. After 80 years of communist rule, most Ukrainians well understand the dangers of autocratic government, or that state-controlled media lies. Democracy is not taken for granted.

In America, by contrast, we have no such history, and instead of skepticism about authority our heads are swelled from birth with jingoistic bilge about how perfect American democracy is, how great and infallible our country is, how righteous is our form of government. For all the decades of conservatives bashing big government, we have surprisingly little skepticism, and for all the triumph of our popular will, we have a surprisingly widespread belief that there's nothing ordinary people here can do to change things.
"
Click to expand...


That's a lame ass excuse &amp; you know it.

If I was as convinced as you-all are, I'd be raising so much hell with my elected officials &amp; everyone that'd listen to me, the Secret Service would have a file on me by now.

Come on guys, did you check in your balls at the door?

Raise some hell, don't post about it on the internets....

Our country has a noble tradition of revolution.
 
Originally posted by: CaptainGoodnight
Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
Originally posted by: CaptainGoodnight
Funny thing is that the Diebold voting machines were not used in Ohio.
Click to expand...

ES&amp;S and Triad machines were, but they WERE mentioned above.
Click to expand...

A large majority of Ohio used punchcards.

Link to a map of Ohio and voting methods used by county
Click to expand...

Triad makes the machines that reads and counts the punchcard ballots.

Correction: It looks like Triad in Ohio's case is the company that runs the central tabulators.
 
Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
Originally posted by: CaptainGoodnight
Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
Originally posted by: CaptainGoodnight
Funny thing is that the Diebold voting machines were not used in Ohio.
Click to expand...

ES&amp;S and Triad machines were, but they WERE mentioned above.
Click to expand...

A large majority of Ohio used punchcards.

Link to a map of Ohio and voting methods used by county
Click to expand...

Triad makes the machines that reads and counts the punchcard ballots.
Click to expand...

And you can verify they that these machines were misused or tampered with?

Ah, so that's how Bush won Ohio. Of course, we use punch cards here, not electronic voting, but that just shows you how diabolically clever these guys are. They hacked a card puncher!

As much fun as this has been, it really is starting to bore me - like watching the fourth movie in a Three Stooges marathon.
 
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