20 Amazing Facts about Voting in the USA

[Shortass]

My head is exploding right now. Why are Americans being called Slaves? What's this about the people who want "freedom" are few and far between? How are you defining slavery and freedom? Last time I checked, the only thing I can't legally do is go on a killing spree, steal, and other various crimes. WTF are you getting at? If there is fraud, then I hope we root out the problems. But all of this circumstantial BS (Rapp, the founder of Triad Governmental Systems... of George W. Bush.) is entirely useless. Either they'll lean one way or the other, it doesn't mean he'll go out of his way and risk losing his career to help GWB secure some votes.

Some of the points are decent, but most is simply fingerpointing. Get some real facts, lets wait until there is proof one way or the other, and then go back to your stupid internet habits of posting w/o sourcing and bickering to no end. It's so useless.

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: Shortass
My head is exploding right now. Why are Americans being called Slaves? What's this about the people who want "freedom" are few and far between? How are you defining slavery and freedom? Last time I checked, the only thing I can't legally do is go on a killing spree, steal, and other various crimes. WTF are you getting at? If there is fraud, then I hope we root out the problems. But all of this circumstantial BS (Rapp, the founder of Triad Governmental Systems... of George W. Bush.) is entirely useless. Either they'll lean one way or the other, it doesn't mean he'll go out of his way and risk losing his career to help GWB secure some votes.

Some of the points are decent, but most is simply fingerpointing. Get some real facts, lets wait until there is proof one way or the other, and then go back to your stupid internet habits of posting w/o sourcing and bickering to no end. It's so useless.

Or do what the Ukrainians did, or the Georgians, don't accept an election result that MIGHT be flawed, that is not in accordance with he exit polls, that can not be trailed.

Either don't accept a result tha is questioned, that goes against the exit polls by a pretty LARGE margin, a result of voting machines without a trail delivered by a comany who's president said that he would help GW win Ohio or accept that your democracy is less of a democracy than former USSR states.

It is up to you.

 

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OMG KERRY WON AFTERALL!!!

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: CaptainGoodnight

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: CaptainGoodnight

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: CaptainGoodnight

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: CaptainGoodnight
Funny thing is that the Diebold voting machines were not used in Ohio.

ES&S and Triad machines were, but they WERE mentioned above.

A large majority of Ohio used punchcards.

Link to a map of Ohio and voting methods used by county

Triad makes the machines that reads and counts the punchcard ballots.

And you can verify they that these machines were misused or tampered with?

Ah, so that's how Bush won Ohio. Of course, we use punch cards here, not electronic voting, but that just shows you how diabolically clever these guys are. They hacked a card puncher!

As much fun as this has been, it really is starting to bore me - like watching the fourth movie in a Three Stooges marathon.

Don't be so obtuse please. Tabulators and vote counters can be programmed any way you want it to be. Don't worry, but the fact that you can't comprehend anything really bores me.

And you can verify they that these machines were misused or tampered with?

Considering all the voting hardware is administered and tested locally by bipartison groups, I think we rest knowing there was little voter fraud.

 

[Dissipate]

Originally posted by: Shortass
My head is exploding right now. Why are Americans being called Slaves? What's this about the people who want "freedom" are few and far between? How are you defining slavery and freedom? Last time I checked, the only thing I can't legally do is go on a killing spree, steal, and other various crimes.

Why are Americans being called slaves? Well, because basically American society (as many societies in the world today) has been subjected to what I call the Barcode Syndrome. Every day the government makes subjective evaluations as to people's role in society and then confers arbitrary benefits or penalties based on these subjective evaluations. Just as some examples: Indian reservations and gaming, progressive income tax, war on drugs, war in Iraq, conscription, war on poverty, war on elderly poverty (social security), tariffs & anti-dumping laws, patents & copyrights, research subsidies and grants etc. etc. Why is this? Well, like I said before, it is because millions of people have sold out to the government. Their lust for power over other people's lives has caused them to succumb to attempting to direct its coercive powers towards whatever "social goal" they wish to attain. In a nutshell this means that everyone gets to piss in everyone else's Cheerios at the same time. Those who wish to end this vicious and de-humanizing process are very very few.

I define slavery as being subjected to non-authoritative coercive force in absence of aggressive behavior. For instance, earning income through peaceful and voluntary exchanges is not aggressive behavior, and yet this act subjects people to non-authoritative coercive force. Authority is defined as explicit consent. Explicit consent would be a written and signed contract. The government does not have this so its so-called "authority" is completely invalid contrary to all this social contract theory B.S.

Freedom is being able to do whatever you wish with your time and talents as long as you do not aggress against others.

The only thing you cannot legally do is go on a killing spree, steal and other various crimes? Well, I do not know what country you live in, but I highly doubt this is the case. I would bet that you cannot legally earn income without sending a portion of it to your slavemasters.

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: Skoorb
OMG KERRY WON AFTERALL!!!

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Get back under the bridge.

OT is to the left, P&N is to the right, take a left next time.

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: Skoorb
OMG KERRY WON AFTERALL!!!

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Get back under the bridge.

OT is to the left, P&N is to the right, take a left next time.

I think your sarcasm detector is broken. Please try again later.

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: CaptainGoodnight

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: CaptainGoodnight

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: CaptainGoodnight

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: CaptainGoodnight
Funny thing is that the Diebold voting machines were not used in Ohio.

ES&S and Triad machines were, but they WERE mentioned above.

A large majority of Ohio used punchcards.

Link to a map of Ohio and voting methods used by county

Triad makes the machines that reads and counts the punchcard ballots.

And you can verify they that these machines were misused or tampered with?

Ah, so that's how Bush won Ohio. Of course, we use punch cards here, not electronic voting, but that just shows you how diabolically clever these guys are. They hacked a card puncher!

As much fun as this has been, it really is starting to bore me - like watching the fourth movie in a Three Stooges marathon.

Don't be so obtuse please. Tabulators and vote counters can be programmed any way you want it to be. Don't worry, but the fact that you can't comprehend anything really bores me.

And you can verify they that these machines were misused or tampered with?

Considering all the voting hardware is administered and tested locally by bipartison groups, I think we rest knowing there was little voter fraud.

And none of them have shown any failures?

LOL, it is like voting on a piece of paper that COULD and HAS disintegrated into nothing.

Without a paper trail they are as good as my atm when it claimed that it had dispensed 3000? but i only got 500l? because the rest got stuck.

I was not about to sit there all night so i kept the reciept and they checked it against the machine, if not for the paper trail i would have lost 2,500?'s

A paper trail is neccessary, especially if the head of the company is "commited to bring the votes to the president"

If there is a question of fraud, do what real democracies do, investigate it for real.

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: Skoorb
OMG KERRY WON AFTERALL!!!

Typing all test in caps: check
Using pletny of exclamation marks: check
Typing OMG: check
Worthess post: check

Get back under the bridge.

OT is to the left, P&N is to the right, take a left next time.

I think your sarcasm detector is broken. Please try again later.

No it is not, he made the comment to portray the foolishness of those who dare question the results of this election, i find it ignorant and teenagish to do so when something as important as a fair election is in question, to try to ridicule it is the same as quenching the dissentlng voices, it might fit in YAGT in OT but certainly not in an issue as important as this?

Of course, you agree with his response, "don't question authority".

I feel sad for the both of you.

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: CaptainGoodnight

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: CaptainGoodnight

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: CaptainGoodnight

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: CaptainGoodnight
Funny thing is that the Diebold voting machines were not used in Ohio.

ES&S and Triad machines were, but they WERE mentioned above.

A large majority of Ohio used punchcards.

Link to a map of Ohio and voting methods used by county

Triad makes the machines that reads and counts the punchcard ballots.

And you can verify they that these machines were misused or tampered with?

Ah, so that's how Bush won Ohio. Of course, we use punch cards here, not electronic voting, but that just shows you how diabolically clever these guys are. They hacked a card puncher!

As much fun as this has been, it really is starting to bore me - like watching the fourth movie in a Three Stooges marathon.

Don't be so obtuse please. Tabulators and vote counters can be programmed any way you want it to be. Don't worry, but the fact that you can't comprehend anything really bores me.

And you can verify they that these machines were misused or tampered with?

Considering all the voting hardware is administered and tested locally by bipartison groups, I think we rest knowing there was little voter fraud.

And none of them have shown any failures?

LOL, it is like voting on a piece of paper that COULD and HAS disintegrated into nothing.

Without a paper trail they are as good as my atm when it claimed that it had dispensed 3000? but i only got 500l? because the rest got stuck.

I was not about to sit there all night so i kept the reciept and they checked it against the machine, if not for the paper trail i would have lost 2,500?'s

A paper trail is neccessary, especially if the head of the company is "commited to bring the votes to the president"

If there is a question of fraud, do what real democracies do, investigate it for real.

No doubt electronic voting could be done better, however bipartison groups have kept the elections fair with the current hardware.

My prefered method would be a touch screen voting that generated a printout that would be hand delivered to a ballot box and later counted by scanners. No electionic count at all, as having two possible tallies would be bad.

 

[Darkhawk28]

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: CaptainGoodnight

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: CaptainGoodnight

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: CaptainGoodnight

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: CaptainGoodnight
Funny thing is that the Diebold voting machines were not used in Ohio.

ES&S and Triad machines were, but they WERE mentioned above.

A large majority of Ohio used punchcards.

Link to a map of Ohio and voting methods used by county

Triad makes the machines that reads and counts the punchcard ballots.

And you can verify they that these machines were misused or tampered with?

Ah, so that's how Bush won Ohio. Of course, we use punch cards here, not electronic voting, but that just shows you how diabolically clever these guys are. They hacked a card puncher!

As much fun as this has been, it really is starting to bore me - like watching the fourth movie in a Three Stooges marathon.

Don't be so obtuse please. Tabulators and vote counters can be programmed any way you want it to be. Don't worry, but the fact that you can't comprehend anything really bores me.

And you can verify they that these machines were misused or tampered with?

Considering all the voting hardware is administered and tested locally by bipartison groups, I think we rest knowing there was little voter fraud.

Ummmm... no that hardware is NOT.

 

[Darkhawk28]

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: CaptainGoodnight

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: CaptainGoodnight

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: CaptainGoodnight

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: CaptainGoodnight
Funny thing is that the Diebold voting machines were not used in Ohio.

ES&S and Triad machines were, but they WERE mentioned above.

A large majority of Ohio used punchcards.

Link to a map of Ohio and voting methods used by county

Triad makes the machines that reads and counts the punchcard ballots.

And you can verify they that these machines were misused or tampered with?

Ah, so that's how Bush won Ohio. Of course, we use punch cards here, not electronic voting, but that just shows you how diabolically clever these guys are. They hacked a card puncher!

As much fun as this has been, it really is starting to bore me - like watching the fourth movie in a Three Stooges marathon.

Don't be so obtuse please. Tabulators and vote counters can be programmed any way you want it to be. Don't worry, but the fact that you can't comprehend anything really bores me.

And you can verify they that these machines were misused or tampered with?

Considering all the voting hardware is administered and tested locally by bipartison groups, I think we rest knowing there was little voter fraud.

And none of them have shown any failures?

LOL, it is like voting on a piece of paper that COULD and HAS disintegrated into nothing.

Without a paper trail they are as good as my atm when it claimed that it had dispensed 3000? but i only got 500l? because the rest got stuck.

I was not about to sit there all night so i kept the reciept and they checked it against the machine, if not for the paper trail i would have lost 2,500?'s

A paper trail is neccessary, especially if the head of the company is "commited to bring the votes to the president"

If there is a question of fraud, do what real democracies do, investigate it for real.

No doubt electronic voting could be done better, however bipartison groups have kept the elections fair with the current hardware.

My prefered method would be a touch screen voting that generated a printout that would be hand delivered to a ballot box and later counted by scanners. No electionic count at all, as having two possible tallies would be bad.

So, all election volunteers have to be advanced computer programmers????? Oh please, you're really stretching for a justification.

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: CaptainGoodnight

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: CaptainGoodnight

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: CaptainGoodnight

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: CaptainGoodnight
Funny thing is that the Diebold voting machines were not used in Ohio.

ES&S and Triad machines were, but they WERE mentioned above.

A large majority of Ohio used punchcards.

Link to a map of Ohio and voting methods used by county

Triad makes the machines that reads and counts the punchcard ballots.

And you can verify they that these machines were misused or tampered with?

Ah, so that's how Bush won Ohio. Of course, we use punch cards here, not electronic voting, but that just shows you how diabolically clever these guys are. They hacked a card puncher!

As much fun as this has been, it really is starting to bore me - like watching the fourth movie in a Three Stooges marathon.

Don't be so obtuse please. Tabulators and vote counters can be programmed any way you want it to be. Don't worry, but the fact that you can't comprehend anything really bores me.

And you can verify they that these machines were misused or tampered with?

Considering all the voting hardware is administered and tested locally by bipartison groups, I think we rest knowing there was little voter fraud.

And none of them have shown any failures?

LOL, it is like voting on a piece of paper that COULD and HAS disintegrated into nothing.

Without a paper trail they are as good as my atm when it claimed that it had dispensed 3000? but i only got 500l? because the rest got stuck.

I was not about to sit there all night so i kept the reciept and they checked it against the machine, if not for the paper trail i would have lost 2,500?'s

A paper trail is neccessary, especially if the head of the company is "commited to bring the votes to the president"

If there is a question of fraud, do what real democracies do, investigate it for real.

No doubt electronic voting could be done better, however bipartison groups have kept the elections fair with the current hardware.

My prefered method would be a touch screen voting that generated a printout that would be hand delivered to a ballot box and later counted by scanners. No electionic count at all, as having two possible tallies would be bad.

So, all election volunteers have to be advanced computer programmers????? Oh please, you're really stretching for a justification.

Elections are not run by volunteers. Qualified individuals do exist to examine, evaluate, and test the hardware that will be used for voting.

 

[bamacre]

Where are Kerry and his 10,000 lawyers?