20,000 Iraqis Protest: 'No to America, No to Saddam'

[bjc112]

Originally posted by: flavio

Originally posted by: bjc112
No they are not "ungrateful" flavio, they are now overwhelmed by their freedom, there is nothing wrong with them protesting..

I actually believe that Iraqi people are extremely grateful, their words and actions have showed for this... (other than your 1200) which can be compared to thousands upon thousands...

The riding of the statue last week ( yes that was last week ) seems to also speak for its self... And if you believe because it happened last week the suddenly "hate" the U.S. you have truly lost your poor little mind...

But the majority out weighs the 1200 that you think speak for the country...



^
those glasses are worn by some blind people too...

Where is this "majority" that truly speak for the country? Go ahead, is there anything useful that you can add here at all? How is it that you know what the majority of Iraqis want?

I'm not qualified.. But i think the links are proof to show you the truth... Hopefully you realize how stubborn you are..

Geeez..

 

[flavio]

Originally posted by: bjc112

Originally posted by: flavio

Originally posted by: bjc112
No they are not "ungrateful" flavio, they are now overwhelmed by their freedom, there is nothing wrong with them protesting..

I actually believe that Iraqi people are extremely grateful, their words and actions have showed for this... (other than your 1200) which can be compared to thousands upon thousands...

The riding of the statue last week ( yes that was last week ) seems to also speak for its self... And if you believe because it happened last week the suddenly "hate" the U.S. you have truly lost your poor little mind...

But the majority out weighs the 1200 that you think speak for the country...



^
those glasses are worn by some blind people too...

Where is this "majority" that truly speak for the country? Go ahead, is there anything useful that you can add here at all? How is it that you know what the majority of Iraqis want?

I'm not qualified.. But i think the links are proof to show you the truth... Hopefully you realize how stubborn you are..

Geeez..

So the links of celebratng last week count and the links of protesting this week don't? I see...last weeks links support what you would like to believe.

None of us know the "truth" it's all specualtion at this point. Personally I think while most will be happy to see Hussein gone, they will be very unhappy with US appointed government, occupation, or manipulation.

 

[bjc112]

Originally posted by: bjc112
No they are not "ungrateful" flavio, they are now overwhelmed by their freedom, there is nothing wrong with them protesting..

I actually believe that Iraqi people are extremely grateful, their words and actions have showed for this... (other than your 1200) which can be compared to thousands upon thousands...

The riding of the statue last week ( yes that was last week ) seems to also speak for its self... And if you believe because it happened last week the suddenly "hate" the U.S. you have truly lost your poor little mind...

But the majority out weighs the 1200 that you think speak for the country...



^
those glasses are worn by some blind people too...

I am pretty much done posting back and forth with you, i think most members can now see how ignorant you truly are. And that is plenty for me.



Sorry for the personal attack but you deserve this...

The links you idiot are proving to you of the majority... As i stated in a previous post * the quote above... Yes there were people protesting...

But its the same as the Anti-War people in America..

I bet i can find more showinf support of the war.. and i bet you can say but yeah " what about the thousands against it "

Get over it man.

You lose. Your argument is pathetic...

 

[bjc112]

Originally posted by: flavio

Originally posted by: bjc112

Originally posted by: flavio

Originally posted by: bjc112
No they are not "ungrateful" flavio, they are now overwhelmed by their freedom, there is nothing wrong with them protesting..

I actually believe that Iraqi people are extremely grateful, their words and actions have showed for this... (other than your 1200) which can be compared to thousands upon thousands...

The riding of the statue last week ( yes that was last week ) seems to also speak for its self... And if you believe because it happened last week the suddenly "hate" the U.S. you have truly lost your poor little mind...

But the majority out weighs the 1200 that you think speak for the country...



^
those glasses are worn by some blind people too...

Where is this "majority" that truly speak for the country? Go ahead, is there anything useful that you can add here at all? How is it that you know what the majority of Iraqis want?

I'm not qualified.. But i think the links are proof to show you the truth... Hopefully you realize how stubborn you are..

Geeez..

So the links of celebratng last week count and the links of protesting this week don't? I see...last weeks links support what you would like to believe.

None of us know the "truth" it's all specualtion at this point. Personally I think while most will be happy to see Hussein gone, they will be very unhappy with US appointed government, occupation, or manipulation.

Again, we are not appointing a government, it has been said time and time again..

The Iraqis will choose who they wish to have.

 

[flavio]

Originally posted by: bjc112

Again, we are not appointing a government, it has been said time and time again..

The Iraqis will choose who they wish to have.

The protesters were shouting "No, No Chalabi!" -- referring to Ahmed Chalabi, the leader of the Pentagon-backed Iraqi National Congress opposition group.

Many Iraqi opposition leaders fear the United States is trying to force Chalabi on them as leader of a new Iraqi administration.

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[bjc112]

Flavio we have already went over this.. .

Yes god damnit there were 1200 protestors, they were exercising their new found freedom..

The entire point is, the majority is supporting what is going on.

You have been blind to that fact alone, along with plenty of others that have been stated in the 5 threads you and I have been bickering in.

 

[flavio]

I tink you missed the point, let me highlight it for you.....

Originally posted by: flavio

Originally posted by: bjc112

Again, we are not appointing a government, it has been said time and time again..

The Iraqis will choose who they wish to have.

The protesters were shouting "No, No Chalabi!" -- referring to Ahmed Chalabi, the leader of the Pentagon-backed Iraqi National Congress opposition group.

Many Iraqi opposition leaders fear the United States is trying to force Chalabi on them as leader of a new Iraqi administration.

Text

 

[bjc112]

Originally posted by: flavio
I tink you missed the point, let me highlight it for you.....

Originally posted by: flavio

Originally posted by: bjc112

Again, we are not appointing a government, it has been said time and time again..

The Iraqis will choose who they wish to have.

The protesters were shouting "No, No Chalabi!" -- referring to Ahmed Chalabi, the leader of the Pentagon-backed Iraqi National Congress opposition group.

Many Iraqi opposition leaders fear the United States is trying to force Chalabi on them as leader of a new Iraqi administration.

Text

I did not miss the point,

they ( 1200 protestors ) may fear that , but it will not happen.

It has been stated that it will not. It will not.

Let me highlight the above so you don't miss it...

 

[rawoutput]

Originally posted by: flavio
I tink you missed the point, let me highlight it for you.....

Originally posted by: flavio

Originally posted by: bjc112

Again, we are not appointing a government, it has been said time and time again..

The Iraqis will choose who they wish to have.

The protesters were shouting "No, No Chalabi!" -- referring to Ahmed Chalabi, the leader of the Pentagon-backed Iraqi National Congress opposition group.

Many Iraqi opposition leaders fear the United States is trying to force Chalabi on them as leader of a new Iraqi administration.

Text

..Just like the democrats fear that a republican will be in congress. I think any fears of leadership in Iraq are premature until we get their economy, security, utilities, and education back to operating levels. What sort of government would surface while Iraq is still in chaos after having lost the only administration they knew of? NPR said that most younger people have no higher education, and people over 45 who do, do not have any experience in a free market economy. To me THESE are the issues that need to be resolved before a stable government can take place. I think UN presence in Iraq until these imporant services are back in place is required to ensure a decent government. Leaving the country in the hands of various opposition leaders who have NO experience in a democracy and NO free market experience with LOW education levels will result in another dictatorship, or worse, one long civil war which will ravage the country more than any bombs from us would.

 

[bjc112]

Originally posted by: rawoutput

Originally posted by: flavio
I tink you missed the point, let me highlight it for you.....

Originally posted by: flavio

Originally posted by: bjc112

Again, we are not appointing a government, it has been said time and time again..

The Iraqis will choose who they wish to have.

The protesters were shouting "No, No Chalabi!" -- referring to Ahmed Chalabi, the leader of the Pentagon-backed Iraqi National Congress opposition group.

Many Iraqi opposition leaders fear the United States is trying to force Chalabi on them as leader of a new Iraqi administration.

Text

..Just like the democrats fear that a republican will be in congress. I think any fears of leadership in Iraq are premature until we get their economy, security, utilities, and education back to operating levels. What sort of government would surface while Iraq is still in chaos after having lost the only administration they knew of? NPR said that most younger people have no higher education, and people over 45 who do, do not have any experience in a free market economy. To me THESE are the issues that need to be resolved before a stable government can take place. I think UN presence in Iraq until these imporant services are back in place is required to ensure a decent government. Leaving the country in the hands of various opposition leaders who have NO experience in a democracy and NO free market experience with LOW education levels will result in another dictatorship, or worse, one long civil war which will ravage the country more than any bombs from us would.

Very well said. And pretty damn true for the most part...

 

[razor2025]

You can't expect the Iraqis, who's been oppressed for 30 years and have almost no clue on democracy + market economy, to suddenly have a stable and economically sound country overnight. It's a good sign that the Iraqi people are quick to enjoy their new found freedom, but they need to understand that they'll need ALOT of foreign assistance even if they feel that "foreigners" are taking advantage of their country. Kinda like the post-WW2 Japan. I've lived in Japan for few years and read some historical article/books that SOME Japanese resented the US-presence during the time, but MANY if not majority were grateful that US had helped them rebuild their completely destoryed economy and revised their constitution so that they'll never attack another country (it's true, a aggression against another country is illegal by Japanese law) nor let a political leader gain so much power (no more Tojos). These Anti-War people are desparately trying to dig something to criticize. They expected a 2nd Vietnam, but the Coalition mowed throw the Iraqi resistance and took the whole country in about 3 weeks (with less than 150 death :Q). Now that most of major battle is over, they need SOMETHING to criticize our presence over there. Just a bunch of SORE LOSERS!

 

[charrison]

Just imagine less than 30 days if they would have protested against their goverment, they would all be dead.

This is big progress.

 

[Siddhartha]

Originally posted by: bjc112
Flavio we have already went over this.. .

Yes god damnit there were 1200 protestors, they were exercising their new found freedom..

The entire point is, the majority is supporting what is going on.

You have been blind to that fact alone, along with plenty of others that have been stated in the 5 threads you and I have been bickering in.

I understand you believe that the majority of Iraqis support what is going on but you have not proved this. Your links only state that some Iraqis welcomed the coalition troops.

 

[bjc112]

Originally posted by: Dr Smooth

Originally posted by: bjc112
Flavio we have already went over this.. .

Yes god damnit there were 1200 protestors, they were exercising their new found freedom..

The entire point is, the majority is supporting what is going on.

You have been blind to that fact alone, along with plenty of others that have been stated in the 5 threads you and I have been bickering in.

I understand you believe that the majority of Iraqis support what is going on but you have not proved this. Your links only state that some Iraqis welcomed the coalition troops.

Well what do you want to prove it?

That is about 5 links that show THOUSANDS and TENS of thousands...

Whle Flavios flawed case shows a small amount of about 1200...

I think its safe to say more are glad that the US is helping out...

 

[guigui38]

Originally posted by: bjc112
Well what do you want to prove it?

That is about 5 links that show THOUSANDS and TENS of thousands...

Whle Flavios flawed case shows a small amount of about 1200...

I think its safe to say more are glad that the US is helping out...

yes i agree they are happy to be freed
but i dont think they are happy to be occupied by a american general whose tied with israel are a little blur

but you didnt have thousand of ppl demonstrating in favour of the us

 

[rudder]

Originally posted by: flavio
Iraqis protesting.

They sure are enjoying this "liberation".

Yep, they sure enjoyed being able to protest their leadership before this "liberation." Protest Saddam before the "liberation" and you would have a choice to either enter the plastic shredder feet first or head first.

 

[drewshin]

i just hope that the iraqis get who they want as their leader. it seems like right now the u.s. is pushing for certain people to become leaders that are not liked by the iraqis (i.e. the INC people). what happens if there is an election (if there even will be one) and the iraqis vote in some fundie ayatollah type figure? it will be interesting to see how the u.s. will respond, will it be a democracy-just-as-long-as-you-vote-for-someone-we-like?

 

[phillyTIM]

i'm interesting in seeing if they can learn to control themselves once they really grasp the reality that they CAN now protest and not get killed.

right now they haven't, because their rebellion is only drawing the guns of the united states, and killing them.

what message does that send?

 

[exp]

Nice to see Iraqis exercising their newfound freedom.

Protests were inevitable, certainly (in a country the size of Iraq there's bound to be a wide range of opinions), but IMO appointing an American general, especially one with ties to Israel and the Kurds, to head the political process was a monumental gaffe that will only exacerbate Iraqi mistrust of U.S. motives. Bad move...very, very bad move.

 

[Ime]

I agree, Iraqi's need to decide for themselves on their government.

We just need to make sure they understand that if they choose another dictator like Saddam, that we are going to come back and do this again.

 

[Mean MrMustard]

Here's what I think it boils down to.

The French helped us win our revolution. But did France come in and say they were going to set up our government? No. I think that is the problem. I think we should be very careful not to overstep. They want to be their own entity and not become an American puppet.

 

[tbrooks40]

Originally posted by: Alistar7

Originally posted by: flavio
Iraqis protesting.

They sure are enjoying this "liberation".

Now that we have secured their right yes they are, under Saddam the punishment would have been torture and death, if you were lucky.

Perhaps if those that were protesting had sent a representative they would have felt differently, instead they ASSumed they knew what the meeting was all about, they were invited but chose not to partake, their loss, they were given a chance to have their concerns addressed legitimately as well as an opportunity to have their say as far as local leadership.

What was the point of the protestors anyway? They want self rule, has the US suggested anything else?

we killed more innocent people than Saddam could have even dreamed of torturing in the FIRST war on the middle east!