Part of college is figuring out what you want to major in. Community college doesn't really let you do that.
alkemyst
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I got laid in CC.
I chose CC for two reasons. One was I wasn't ready to go away yet, and I just didn't want to wait a year only working/doing nothing (I was accepted out of high school to Pharmacy School, with a requirement of passing about two terms of some bio/chem stuff.).
I found out once their the Biology section was actually better than what I'd get at other colleges (U of Miami and U of Florida)...I ended up doing three years taking mostly my chemistry through organic II and biology/zoology through Comparitive Vert. Anatomy.
I had more access in my labs and my instructors had more time for people with problems. It was harder and not easier....a lot of my friends that headed straight to UF thought what I had to do for projects and labs was ridiculousm, but later on in Junior+ years I had a much easier time.
Now all schools are different and all areas where your CC is are different. Mine happened to be in a pretty decent place to live and party.
Common mistake people make thinking their CC GPA doesn't count in applying to grad schools. I can tell you right now, on that application (for Med, LAW, or Business) they want you to list EVERY college level course EVER taken and ALL grades are computed. Yes, you CC 4.0 won't show up on your undergrad transcript, but it will average into your application GPA.
I was thinking of doing this, being a high school drop out, got my A+ cert and went back to adult school and 1 credit away from my HS Diploma, was considering going to CC for 2 years before even trying for Universities
one could make the argument that a 4 year university doesn't either. EVERYONE is pretty much taking GE classes their first two years. Sure you take a couple classes skewed towards what you want to major in, but there's no decisive advantage to one over another. A whole sh!tload of people change majors while attending a four year university. The difference? They paid 20x as much as the community college kid
They started screwing DTA students long before they "officially" screwed us over by doing away with it. They told me in no uncertain terms that I wouldn't qualify for UW even though I officially did under the DTA, the next summer they did away with the DTA for good. As an employee of UW I knew that they were 5k or more over the allotted students that the state funded for and were losing money for every student after that, that they accepted. I also knew of the financial woes they had, job cuts and the union's scheduled strike on the school (which I assume never came to be).
Anyway. The school is a fine one indeed, I do not doubt it's "top tier" status, I simply have issue with the students it screwed over because of bad budgeting and overcrowding
I'll be going to CC because I didn't get accepted to the UW. It seems to me to be a much easier path, although it will be more stressful considering I'm putting all this work in without really knowing what will come of it. I'd hate to get my two years done and still be denied admission.
Luckily for me I'll be living at a UW fraternity anyways so the community college thing isn't too much of a setback for the college life.
Two of my brothers also took this path because they were forced to. I think most people would prefer should to attend the college. It'll be more difficult acedemically but at least you won't have to deal with the headaches of transfer planning.
Luckily for me I'll be living at a UW fraternity anyways so the community college thing isn't too much of a setback for the college life.
Two of my brothers also took this path because they were forced to. I think most people would prefer should to attend the college. It'll be more difficult acedemically but at least you won't have to deal with the headaches of transfer planning.
Originally posted by: UncleWai
hopefully I will see you there in business school, I am re-applying for fall
The business school is good in UW, but I can't get in because I blew my first two years.
There's nothing wrong with UW, but if i have the option to go to ucb, i would go to ucb in a heartbeat.
it doesnt matter where you go ... its how well you do/perform and the people you know. seriously, i think hookups get you farther than anything else. i went to Cal and loved it ... but there are plenty of people that went to CSU's that are doing just as well if not better. also, i suggest getting internship/work experience in college.
ALSO ... i have a friend that went to CC, went to Cal for 2 years and then went to UC Davis for law school. theres no shame in going to CC ... you get your degrees and they dont say TRANSFER STUDENT on it. you get your first job and ppl wont even care what college you went to. choose your own path but if you want to get far, just keep working hard.
edit: grammar, additions
A lot of undergrad courses are ridiculously easy. And lower-level courses usually are easier to get high grades in. What makes you so sure this person's current grades are because he/she got away with easier work before? Even if it's true, it won't hurt you i you actualy learned what you went there to learn. If he really is substandard and manages to graduate, his employers will surely notice.
I was happy to read all the UW-oriented replies.. I noticed that after I made my post.
I am still somewhat on the fence, but in the end I would not be upset with a major in Journalism. The other ones I've been thinking about are Environmental Science, and my brother is pushing me to go for Business but I don't think I'm really up for that.
I don't believe the communications program is too difficult to get into but the journalism concentration only admits about 20 students.. so I suppose I should write for the Seattle Central paper or something.
EDIT: Also by the time I move up to Seattle I'll be at 35 credits with a crappy 2.6 GPA (from running start here in Tacoma). So I have some catching up to do at Central.
Chaotic42
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I'm a fan of community college.
Here's a run down on why:
1. Teachers
- The teachers at my CC care way more than my teachers at University (Ole Miss) did. It's not even close, really. Especially in English, the teachers seemed insulted that they had to teach a bunch of non-English majors. They seemed to view it as a waste of their time. Calculus was about the same. The math teachers at my CC? They'll stay *hours* late helping you if you want. They persist until you say you understand.
2. Office hours
- Mandantory office hours at my CC make it so that if you need to talk to a teacher, he or she is available at a convinent time. Usually it's 730-4 with classes during the day.
3. Cost
- This wasn't much of an issue when I went to Ole Miss because I had scholarships. I dropped out of university when I was 16 because my mom died. Now that I'm 22, the $15K / year cost for a state school and the fact that the universites aren't anywhere near job markets makes the $2K / year community college a God-send.
4. Grading
- Yes, they're easier on grades. This is a good thing, because usually you use the first two years to get the core requirements out of the way. I don't want to be graded hard in World Literature I. Once I get to university and start taking the hardcore major-related classes (I'm a math major so that would be Topology, Advanced Calc, Abstract Algebra, etc), then I'll get the full treatment. I should be graded hard on those.
5. Scholarships
- This may or may not be an issue, but my CC has lots of scholarship programs for when students get to University.
6. Location
- At my CC, I'm near my home. Things aren't wildly different. The people all speak correctly. We get fried catfish on Fridays. I'm homey-feeling. While advernture is fine, there's something to be said for sweet-tea and Saints fans.
And yes, there are plenty of opportunities to get laid at CC. Maybe even more than university, because the girls that go there probably aren't used to having lots of money spent on them.
Here's a run down on why:
1. Teachers
- The teachers at my CC care way more than my teachers at University (Ole Miss) did. It's not even close, really. Especially in English, the teachers seemed insulted that they had to teach a bunch of non-English majors. They seemed to view it as a waste of their time. Calculus was about the same. The math teachers at my CC? They'll stay *hours* late helping you if you want. They persist until you say you understand.
2. Office hours
- Mandantory office hours at my CC make it so that if you need to talk to a teacher, he or she is available at a convinent time. Usually it's 730-4 with classes during the day.
3. Cost
- This wasn't much of an issue when I went to Ole Miss because I had scholarships. I dropped out of university when I was 16 because my mom died. Now that I'm 22, the $15K / year cost for a state school and the fact that the universites aren't anywhere near job markets makes the $2K / year community college a God-send.
4. Grading
- Yes, they're easier on grades. This is a good thing, because usually you use the first two years to get the core requirements out of the way. I don't want to be graded hard in World Literature I. Once I get to university and start taking the hardcore major-related classes (I'm a math major so that would be Topology, Advanced Calc, Abstract Algebra, etc), then I'll get the full treatment. I should be graded hard on those.
5. Scholarships
- This may or may not be an issue, but my CC has lots of scholarship programs for when students get to University.
6. Location
- At my CC, I'm near my home. Things aren't wildly different. The people all speak correctly. We get fried catfish on Fridays. I'm homey-feeling. While advernture is fine, there's something to be said for sweet-tea and Saints fans.
And yes, there are plenty of opportunities to get laid at CC. Maybe even more than university, because the girls that go there probably aren't used to having lots of money spent on them.
Inflated how? Because of an assumption or do you have some evidence? Some of my best students have been CC transfers, yet I hear complaints about it all the time (from other students). I don't have stats on hand to compare, but I would crtainly say the average CC transfer is harder-working and more mature than the average non-transfer. Just a thought
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Of course there's exception to every rule
I have a bunch of friends in the community college here, it's the Chinese cluster in the college.
evidences:
They always use old essays from people who took the course previously and turned them in as their own. The instructors don't give a flying fork and give them As. I am talking about English, Geography, and Economic class.
In the syllabus of the math class the instructor stated 90% will get an A.
My friend did a self calculation, he realizes even if he gets a 100% in the final exam, he still won't get an A. But guess what, he got an A.
The CS intro course in community college, as long as your program works and have comments, you get full points. In UW, that's only 50% of the grade, 50% is on internal struture.
Plus a lot of the intro courses in here are curved with a median of 2.8~2.9. The grades just don't stack up right with the community colleges.
To be able to use the grades in the CC to get into engineering programs in UCB, UIUC, it just seems very misleading.
I have a bunch of friends in the community college here, it's the Chinese cluster in the college.
evidences:
They always use old essays from people who took the course previously and turned them in as their own. The instructors don't give a flying fork and give them As. I am talking about English, Geography, and Economic class.
In the syllabus of the math class the instructor stated 90% will get an A.
My friend did a self calculation, he realizes even if he gets a 100% in the final exam, he still won't get an A. But guess what, he got an A.
The CS intro course in community college, as long as your program works and have comments, you get full points. In UW, that's only 50% of the grade, 50% is on internal struture.
Plus a lot of the intro courses in here are curved with a median of 2.8~2.9. The grades just don't stack up right with the community colleges.
To be able to use the grades in the CC to get into engineering programs in UCB, UIUC, it just seems very misleading.
Chaotic42
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Then your community college sucks.
My school focuses on critical thinking.
Our physics teacher has a PhD from Duke. Every problem on his test has the question part then the "Explain why this is the answer" part. Sure, you can use the equations, but do you understand why?
So far there are *nine* people signed up for Calc 3. Our tests are comprehensive and long. You do get partial credit, but it's not handed to you.
Chemistry is the hardest. One person in Chemistry 2 has an A. The questions are tricky and often require layers of different ideas from different chapters to answer.
I could go on, but you get the idea. Don't get mad at CC students because you have had bad experiences with 0.00001% of them.
I suppose quality of CCs varies. I could see how that would be upsetting, given the situation you just described. Just realize that's not true everywhere (and sometimes the opposite is true, oddly enough). It seems a lot of major state university students have no qualms about doing what you describe the CC students in your area doing
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I've been going to CC for 4 years now. I really had no clue what the hell I wanted to do. Still a little unsure. But luckily for me my CC has some deal with a smaller university where they except 75% or 90 plus credits for a bachelors requirements. And I got a transfer scholarship for my easy CC grades and classes. CC is not difficult. I kind of feel ashamed taking such easy grades.
As for rejects of the highschool system, CC is place where they can succeed again. You're going to have to take a couple tests to see where you are at. But after that its basically a clean slate. Highschool essentially didn't exist. Who would have thought the dropouts could be such strong students?
As for rejects of the highschool system, CC is place where they can succeed again. You're going to have to take a couple tests to see where you are at. But after that its basically a clean slate. Highschool essentially didn't exist. Who would have thought the dropouts could be such strong students?
Many Ivy leagues recruit top junior college students. Cornell, Columbia, Harvard all do. Most of the rest do as well. Cornell admits rougherly ~250 juco transfers per year. Top juco students can get in anywhere they want to. Being a top juco student requires not only grades, and other activities, but you also have to go to a competent juco.
Originally posted by: Otaking
Originally posted by: UncleWai
hopefully I will see you there in business school, I am re-applying for fall
The business school is good in UW, but I can't get in because I blew my first two years.
There's nothing wrong with UW, but if i have the option to go to ucb, i would go to ucb in a heartbeat.
Haha I blew my first two years too, but after going back to school after a 3+ yr hiatus, I've been able to raise my GPA from a 1.8 to a 2.8 in 60 hours of coursework, each semester being a full-time student and having a full-time job. Not bad, I think, but I hope it'll show my determination for success, despite the lower-than-average GPA.
Haas is a good program, but if you're in-state Wash, you should weigh out your advantages in paying the lower tuition. Similarly, I'm in Texas, and both UT-Austin and A&M offer great programs, and although I want to venture outside of Texas, I can go to either UT-Austin or A&M for less than half the tuition I'd have to pay for other schools.
McCombs and Mays are extremely difficult to get into.
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