BoberFett
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This.
Garner was avoiding a couple bucks in tax and it resulted in a brutal arrest.
Why aren't the pigs putting choke holds on old white guys up and down Wall St?
This.
Garner was avoiding a couple bucks in tax and it resulted in a brutal arrest.
Why aren't the pigs putting choke holds on old white guys up and down Wall St?
soundforbjt
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TreVader
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The white guys on Wall Street don't own the police but they own influence over them.
If they started accosting Wall Street bankers like they do the poor they'd lose their funding instantly. They might not be fired outright but layoffs will come.
I really do think the solution is to at least gut the leadership of every PD in the US. Anybody above sergeant is fired, and can't come back.
The younger ones can be retrained but the old fat embedded sleaze balls like that Union rep need to be put down.
If they started accosting Wall Street bankers like they do the poor they'd lose their funding instantly. They might not be fired outright but layoffs will come.
I really do think the solution is to at least gut the leadership of every PD in the US. Anybody above sergeant is fired, and can't come back.
The younger ones can be retrained but the old fat embedded sleaze balls like that Union rep need to be put down.
My thought is to give the civilian review board subpoena power and the ability to discipline officers in cases where the department declines to do so.
Civilian review boards exist and lack teeth because they generally lack law enforcement experience and legal knowledge. It's like the Angie's List of review boards...
Angie's List is influential and has some weight, but they has no real substance.
shady28
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The problem with that question is that it automatically injects race as a prime factor. It's about power and position, not race. I think police just see black people as being easy targets, but quite often they see white people as easy targets too.
Here's a prime example. Cops restrain and wind up asphyxiating a 26 year old with Down Syndrome because he wouldn't leave a theater.
This was worse than the Eric Garner case IMO, we just don't have a video of it.
Note: This guy is white.
"MD Grand Jury Refuses Indictment Of Cop Who Killed Man With Down Syndrome Because He Wouldn’t Leave Movie"
http://thesource.com/2014/12/08/md-...n-with-down-syndrome-who-wouldnt-leave-movie/
"the Chief Medical Examiner’s Office in Baltimore said that Saylor’s death was a homicide resulting from asphyxia.
The killing happened when cops arrived to force Saylor to leave a movie theater after he wanted to see “Zero Dark Thirty,” a second time.
Just as in the case of Eric Garner, the police have said that being obese, “contributed” to Saylor’s death, making him more susceptible to breathing problems."
To be fair, if I were a law-abiding black person and given what we know about how the police conduct themselves, I would be hopping mad about having to deal with the police 6x more frequently than anyone else on per capita basis. Obviously those interactions often result in victimization.
When I'm in a quick stop and there are cops there, I get the same exact feeling as when I'm at a quick stop and see a bunch of gang bangers walk in. I definitely do not feel safe around either group. I'm sure that feeling is much worse for black people.
The board in NYC outsources investigative functions to an executive director and a staff of about 100 people that have both law enforcement experience and legal knowledge.
I thought you guys were talking about some sort of civilian only boards and not your typical "police board"
TreVader
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A civilian review board is an interesting idea but what's to stop the cops from just intimidating the review board? And don't think they wouldn't try it.
I certainly would want no part in such a review board. I've found the best way to deal with cops is as little as possible.
I certainly would want no part in such a review board. I've found the best way to deal with cops is as little as possible.
shady28
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A review board would have to have very long and sharp teeth. Police unions wouldn't allow it.
It might work if there were laws passed to prevent police unions from becoming involved in / interfering in any one in investigations against police. Right now I think they have that built into their contracts (that they can), but a law would trump those contracts. It gets really old seeing cops do obviously illegal / unethical things and - even when the chief or DA wants to fire them - they can't.
Change comes easier from within. Go to the police academy, get a job, and become an influential person.
Svnla
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Are you disputing the stats of this story? = http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424127887323372504578467361507997492
Speaking of biggest financial crimes on WS. Do you see DoJ/Holder with Obama in the WH for the last several years knocked down doors and arrested all the bastards that were responsible for those financial crimes or let them paid fines and be on their ways?
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Mai72
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I think the issue is most cops are ex-military. They come from an environment that teaches and make you respect people above you. You don't question authority. You do as your told, period! Then when these same people become police offices they have to deal with people who don't respect them. That goes for the general populace. Black and white. In the black neighborhoods the disgust for police is more prevalent. Anyway, when someone doesn't obey their command they tend to become violent. This is why we need more women on the force. Would the Eric Garner incident have happened if a female officer was handling the situation? Doubt it.
That's my take on this mess.
That's my take on this mess.
Nebor
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I think you're way off base. There are lot more problems with the guys that never served in the military trying to act like they are in the military. In the military, you start off at the bottom, and earn each rank and the respect that accompanies it. Your average patrol officer completes a 16 week academy and is then put in a position where many see themselves as in charge of everyone they meet.
Also, female officers are 10x more likely to be shot with their own firearm, and most major metros don't let them patrol alone now. They must be partnered. (Insert famous video clip of female officer firing her handgun inches from a handcuffed suspects head on the ground)
ivwshane
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That looked like some bullshit to me. It's pretty much impossible to accuse the K-9 unit of any wrong doing though.
Still doesn't justify anything but it does give you perspective into the killers frame of mind.
Significant, quite possibly. The majority, no. The claim was that "most" cops are former military.
It depends on the area. Some are some aren't, but overall it's a strong representation.
EDIT: So if you look at it from a background perspective, people with no prior experience, military experience, legal experience, teaching experience....military experience might beat out all of them as the majority common factor of a LEO applicant. that's sort of a technical point but it's probably more accurate.
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Subyman
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Because they walk out peacefully when arrested? I've never seen a white collar crime perp resisting arrest. (Not directed particularly at Eric Garner, that was BS what they did to him.)
bshole
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Don't they get to turn themselves in? Rich people just plain suck, the rules apply even less to them than the police.
Why do you think I said fire sucks.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/wdpwl89g9w251dd/ski%20007.jpg?dl=0
Sorry, pic won't show so you have to click the link.
Subyman
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Yeah, I'm sure the police can just call in all the guys selling loose cigs and they will show right up.
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