2 GTX560 OCing reviews

[Skurge]

Reading TPU's review closer, the reference gtx 560 has nicer cooling than what the gtx 460's had.
They cool the VRM's and ram chips, both are just residual fan air cooled on the reference gtx 460's and same with my Cyclone's.

NVIDIA's cooler uses a vapor-chamber technology heatplate to maximize heat transfer between the GPU and the rest of the heatsink. You can also see above that the heatsink cools secondary components like voltage regulation circuitry and memory chips.

I have to say thought. The coolers on both the 560 and 460 were impressive. low temps and low noise. I can't help but wonder if the fact that it dumps air inside the case has anything to do with it since most sites test on an open test bench.

Still, they are great coolers.

 

[happy medium]

I thought you said a 560 could reach 1ghz on stock volts even after I showed you 5 cards that couldn't achieve that feat and also showed you each card comes with a different voltage.

You quote me but dont talk one thing about my quote.?:thumbsdown:

 

[LiuKangBakinPie]

You can clearly see nvidias driver profiles. Few tweaks with nhancer and it can stomp the 6950

 

[Lonyo]

They are obviously doing it wrong, everyone knows you can overclock the GTX560 to 1100MHz.
( http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=31166848&postcount=227 )

 

[Skurge]

The gtx 560 SOC is at 4580 memory out of the box and was overclocked to 4950.
Did Gigabyte fix the faulty memory controller?
http://www.guru3d.com/article/gigabyte-gtx-560-ti-soc-review/20

Spotty meaning all over the place. Some cards will have high overclocks, other won't. And there are dozens of other 560s around, not only the SOC.

So stop basing the entire line on a single card.

 

[happy medium]

They are obviously doing it wrong, everyone knows you can overclock the Gigabyte GTX560 SOC to 1100MHz with votage.
( http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=31166848&postcount=227 )

All fixed for ya.

 

[happy medium]

Spotty meaning all over the place. Some cards will have high overclocks, other won't. And there are dozens of other 560s around, not only the SOC.

So stop basing the entire line on a single card.

SO you are saying that the gtx560 SOC comes with different memory speeds or do they sell ALL gtx560 SOC's at 4580 speed. I don't see nothing spotty about that.

I'll ask again did Gigabyte fix the memory controller for Nvidia?

 

[Skurge]

You quote me but dont talk one thing about my quote.?:thumbsdown:

The review that you are bashing clearly shows you were wrong. Even after I showed you that you were wrong. Thats the only reason you don't like the review.

 

[Skurge]

SO you are saying that the gtx560 SOC comes with different memory speeds or do they sell ALL gtx560 SOC's at 4580 speed. I don't see nothing spotty about that.

I'll ask again did Gigabyte fix the memory controller for Nvidia?

Do you ever read and understand what I write? Or do you defect on purpose whenever someone shows you that you were wrong. The SOC are cherry picked cards. They only takes cards that will operate at those speeds. When you have a memory controller like the one on the 560, you will get cards that will clock high on the ram, but most will not.

Does that answer your question? So are you saying almost every review site can't overclock? just bacause you see one cards with really high memory overclocks? Well? I'd like you to answer my questions too. Can you tell me why every 560s won't reach 1ghz without adjusting voltage? Can you tell me why most review sites can't get the memory clocked that high?

The techgage review shows both cards overclocked without voltage adjustment and the 6950 destroys the 560ti at times to and embarrassing degree for a card that costs the same, sometimes less.

 

[busydude]

They are obviously doing it wrong, everyone knows you can overclock the GTX560 to 1100MHz. ( http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost...&postcount=227 )

and 1044MHz on STOCK voltages.

 

[toyota]

and 1044MHz on STOCK voltages.

on whatever voltages that the SOC came stock with.

 

[Skurge]

Oh this is a nice graph. the massively faster 6950 using less power after both are overclocked contrary to some member's (who clearly knows better) claims.

 

[ArchAngel777]

MSI GTX 460 hawk + Gigabyte GTX 460 super OC . If each chip were cherry picked there'd be a massive premium of course.

Well son, don't roll those eyes at me! You can drive the car when your grades improve!

Back to the topic - I did use the term 'loosely' cheery picked and the reason I used that term is because I know there would be a massive, massive premium with doing any type of thorough cherry picking. Now, I understand that the term loose can be a bit vague. My idea is that they build a card, put their custom cooler on it and give it a bios with higher clocks and a slighly different profile (similar to us enthusients)... They probably run it through some 5 minute test and call her good. If it artifacts right away, perhaps it is down clocked with a different BIOS. I am not sure, but if they were too aggressive in their overclock and didn't do any Q&A, you would have so many DOA. Better for them to spend 5 minutes to root out the 'really' bad ones.

Now, I don't work for Gigabyte or any of these other partners, but I do work closely with my RMA department on a daily basis. If we don't test everything we send out, were just asking for returns, replacements of computer parts, etc... In the long run it is more cost effective to do some testing, even if it is limited.

Anyway, I do see that those two cards did have a redesigned PCB (at least I am assuming they do, based on your word) so for that, perhaps they will hold up to the test of time, but forgive me if I am skeptical or jaded from past experience.

 

[busydude]

on whatever voltages that the SOC came stock with.

All fine and dandy and I agree, but when you push a 6950 above that, you use much more power because you need to pump much more voltage into these puppy's, that was my point. Meanwhile the gtx 560 SOC is allready at 1000 core. ALso it has been shown that it will reach 1044 core on stock voltage, try that with a 6950.
We were talking about the 275$ Gigabyte SOC not a regular gtx560, its 13$ more then a 6950.

In the past if we had a 275$ card at 1000 core from the factory performing up to par with cards 100$ more in heat, power consumption, noise and performance, we would all be saying how great the card is, why not now? I don't understand?

That was meant for Happy. He is basing everything on sample size of 1.. and yet when the reviews in OP show 560 will less than favorable OC(With same sample size of 1) he starts bashing them.

 

[Skurge]

That was meant for Happy. He is basing everything on sample size of 1.. and yet when the reviews in OP show 560 will less than favorable OC(With same sample size of 1) he starts bashing them.

I showed him a sample size of 5. Thats a 500% improvement. Thats a massive amount any way you look at it

 

[thilanliyan]

They are obviously doing it wrong, everyone knows you can overclock the GTX560 to 1100MHz.
( http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=31166848&postcount=227 )

Hahaha nice one happy....you think 560s will be hitting 1100MHz core??!! EVEN WITH VOLTAGE that is unlikely. Soon you're gonna be saying that the 1500MHz GTX580 I posted about is standard! Lol

If you ever find a review or someone's post in a forum of a 1100MHz core GTX560 (on air/water) please post it...I would love to see it. Seriously.

 

[Grooveriding]

Great honest review.

560 needs to be heavily overclocked, of which there is no guarantee, to match the 6950.

Once you overclock the 6950 it pulls ahead once more. Better to get the 6950 rather than roll the dice on an overclock.

There is only one 560 card that comes with 1000 core that I've seen, and you can't even buy it, not in stock anywhere.

6950 looks to be the best bet unless you want to gamble on getting a card that overclocks well, or try and find the gigabyte card in stock somewhere, not to mention from personal experience, gigabyte RMA is a PITA and takes at least a month to get a replacement.

 

[badb0y]

Just to add to this thread, a GTX 560 Ti OCed to 1000 core trades blows with a GTX 570/ 6970. In my testing, a 6950 1000 core is trading blows with a GTX 580 - So basically both cards can be OCed to the next "tier" level so to speak.

 

[happy medium]

In my testing, a 6950 1000 core is trading blows with a GTX 580

No thats a 6970 at 1000 core trading blows with a gtx580,unless stock 6950's come with 1536 shaders now. Except the more exspensive Powercolor model.

 

[Castiel]

I think a 560 at 1100 core is possible with 1.2v/dice

 

[cusideabelincoln]

The lesson no matter what card you have: YMWV (YOUR MILEAGE WILL VARY; I GUARANSHEED IT.)

 

[thilanliyan]

I think a 560 at 1100 core is possible with 1.2v/dice

1100MHz core is probably possible on a lot of these new cards if you use dry ice.

 

[Aristotelian]

Great honest review.

560 needs to be heavily overclocked, of which there is no guarantee, to match the 6950.

Once you overclock the 6950 it pulls ahead once more. Better to get the 6950 rather than roll the dice on an overclock.

There is only one 560 card that comes with 1000 core that I've seen, and you can't even buy it, not in stock anywhere.

6950 looks to be the best bet unless you want to gamble on getting a card that overclocks well, or try and find the gigabyte card in stock somewhere, not to mention from personal experience, gigabyte RMA is a PITA and takes at least a month to get a replacement.

I have no experience with Gigabyte RMA but this is precisely what I came to post.

 

[thilanliyan]

I had to RMA a motherboard once with Gigabyte and it took about 3 weeks and that was shipping it to California from Canada.

 

[Spike]

To me they both look like great cards with the potential to OC to higher speeds. With the 560 you can get "guaranteed" higher speeds by buying superclocked versions where as the 6950 does not really have those same options. However, both cards also overclock from stock to hit impressive speeds.

Basically if you want the fastest card (of these 2) garunteed then buy the 560 SOC or whatever they call it. The price difference is minimal and you know you will have a card with great speeds. I don't know (or care) about the RMA process as that's not really relevant to a pure performance discussion. Personally I chose to go with a higher speed card with no modifications (6970) because I'm just that way. If I wanted to mess around with flashing, overclocking, over volting etc... I would have probably gone with the 6950 2GB simply due to the almost for sure 6970 BIOS flashing. However, for someone who wants a sub $300 card that will perform very fast (and hopefully last) the 560 SOC is a great choice. This review just shows that to ensure the best, you need to pay for the best. With stock there is nothing for sure about overclocking.