2 girls in Pakistan shot dead for dancing in the rain.

[Dr. Zaus]

Cause all those books were written at a time when it "made sense".

Before Mohammed's conversion he was a warmongering, rapist, pedofile that was trying to start a cult.

After he had a book to tell him to be a warmongering, rapist, pedofile and had started a cult


True story, just read the discussion page and sources cited on wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad

Heh, turn them into intelligent deadly killing machines and they'll have plenty of rights. I like it.

They are cute; I like the one with the bit of hair not in a pony tail, supper sexy... I guess she will not be among the first to meet with Muhammad upon his return...

If you need any proof that Islam is the culprit, not the 'culture' of the nation, look at how regressive Iran became after revolution.

 

[Orignal Earl]

Before Mohammed's conversion he was a warmongering, rapist, pedofile that was trying to start a cult.

After he had a book to tell him to be a warmongering, rapist, pedofile and had started a cult


True story, just read the discussion page and sources cited on wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad

They are cute; I like the one with the bit of hair not in a pony tail, supper sexy... I guess she will not be among the first to meet with Muhammad upon his return...

If you need any proof that Islam is the culprit, not the 'culture' of the nation, look at how regressive Iran became after revolution.

Can you point out who were the good guys in them days?
The people who didn't wage war, and women were equal and didn't get married at 12?
Point out the women's rights in the Bible and how they treated everyone as equals

edit-

The article “Religious Heritage and Teenage Marriage” suggests that many religions such as Pentecostalism, Fundamentalist Christianity, and other institutionalized sects give the message that leads parents and teens to view early marriage as the only acceptable means of culminating romantic relationships. It also became the tradition to the first generation.[9] More recently, research shows that religion has slowed down the rates of teen marriage and teen pregnancy rate since 1991,[10] a reversal of earlier trends.

Heh.. it appears the moral right at least is getting started on it

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teen_marriage

 

[Dr. Zaus]

Can you point out who were the good guys in them days?

Jesus and a small section of his followers; many Buddhists and believers in Hindu. Some native american cultures. I once read that there have been over 50 cultures throughout history that have treated women as equals. But I'm not trying to compare apples to orages here, nor ignoring the historical context.


12 was common as people lived short lives, so the rule was "if there is grass on the field", but Aisha was Muhammed's youngest wife and he fucked her at 9.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aisha

Jesus, on the other hand, has a particular thought on folks that have sex with little kids:
"And everyone who commits an offense against one of these little ones who believe in me, it were profitable for him that a donkey's millstone would be hung around his neck and he be sunk in the depths of the sea."

"offense" implied sexual misconduct or bodily harm.

 

[Abwx]

..believers in islam are also notorious liars. In islam it's a mans world.

Then Bush was a muslim...as well as any US politician ,
but of course , US people do not lie , it s a lie to say
otherwise...

You are entrenched in an instable loop that keep
amplifying your own irrationals fears.

 

[Abwx]

Jesus and a small section of his followers;

Do you realize that we are not even sure that he actualy
existed but what is sure is that the Christian dogm was created
long after his supposed death , likely by Philo of Alexandria
for the implementation and Seneca the Younger for the inspiration
from the school of stoicism...

Keep on arguing the modern world using your myths
of another time , and you call the muslims retarded....

 

[Orignal Earl]

Jesus and a small section of his followers; many Buddhists and believers in Hindu. Some native american cultures. I once read that there have been over 50 cultures throughout history that have treated women as equals. But I'm not trying to compare apples to orages here, nor ignoring the historical context.


12 was common as people lived short lives, so the rule was "if there is grass on the field", but Aisha was Muhammed's youngest wife and he fucked her at 9.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aisha

Jesus, on the other hand, has a particular thought on folks that have sex with little kids:
"And everyone who commits an offense against one of these little ones who believe in me, it were profitable for him that a donkey's millstone would be hung around his neck and he be sunk in the depths of the sea."

"offense" implied sexual misconduct or bodily harm.

Ya, so it was very common then wasn't it
Seems like only someone with an agenda would need to bother even try to make Mo sound bad for it
A good Christian man who does as Jesus certainly wouldn't need too
Unfortunately that's only a very small small group of today's Christians

 

[Abwx]

In the 16th century, a small number of Italian and German states set the minimum age for sexual intercourse for girls, setting it at 12 years. Towards the end of the 18th century, other European countries also began to enact similar laws. The first French Constitution of 1791 established the minimum age at 11 years. Portugal, Spain, Denmark and the Swiss cantons, initially set the minimum age at 10–12 years.[4] Historically, the English common law set the age of consent to range from 10 to 12. Most states of the United States, as late as the 1880s, set the minimum age at 10–12, and in one state, Delaware, the minimum age was 7. A New York Times article states that it was still aged 7 in Delaware in 1895.[5]
Female reformers and advocates of social purity initiated a campaign in 1885 in the United States[6] which petitioned legislators to raise the legal minimum age to at least 16, with the ultimate goal to raise the age to 18. The campaign was successful, with almost all states raising the minimum age to 16–18 years by 1920.[3][7] In France, Portugal, Spain, Denmark and the Swiss cantons and other countries, the minimum age was raised to between 13 and 16 years in the second half of the 19th century

Not cultural , that s christianity related according to the racist
that hang by there.

 

[Orignal Earl]

Not cultural , that s christianity related according to the racist
that hang by there.

I'm guessing Dixy is from the Southern US, as everybody knows, those folks have an extremely backwards and regressive culture
( OH not all of them..just the ones I see on TV )

edit- Nowadays at least they are starting to believe that children shouldn't get married, but if they get mixed up in the wrong crime, it's all cool to execute them

 

[Dr. Zaus]

Do you realize that we are not even sure that he actualy
existed

We aren't sure that Socrates existed either, but the historicity of Jesus is fairly well agreed upon:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historicity_of_Jesus

You also failed to acknowledge that the question was about the historical setting of Muhammad, where in the statement I made is entirely true and your 'point' has nothing at all to do with the argument at hand.

Seems like only someone with an agenda would need to bother even try to make Mo sound bad for it

Fucking a 9 year old was evil at the time: so said Jesus. You asked who the good guys were, I showed you that not everyone was a rapist, warmongering, pedofile and, in fact, there were many that were open to treating women as people.

The point, so poorly made previously, was that this was 'national culture' not 'religion'.

Yet the beating, rape, and sub-human treatment of women is perpetuated across national populations who just so 'happen' to share Muslim as their common denominator.

The point has been countered, you just don't have the shame to admit when you've lost by walking away. So I'll just stop humiliating you.

edit:

Number of blacks killed for being black by christians in the last 100 years: in the thousands (1000s)

Number of women beaten, raped, killed, or treated like live stock in the same time period: in the billions.(1,000,000,000s)

we're talking the difference between outliers and a total religion bent on the subjugation of at least half of the human race.

 

[Orignal Earl]

The point has been countered, you just don't have the shame to admit when you've lost by walking away. So I'll just stop humiliating you.

lol

I'm just going to file that in the Incor win folder
I can't win against someone who has FREEDOM and JESUS on their side

 

[justoh]

It doesn't matter whether socrates existed or not, because the source of the shit attributed to him is irrelevant, unlike with jesus and christianity, where jesus' existence is directly relevant to the revelation story. Then again, jesus' historical existence isn't really relevant either, since it's far more likely that he'd have been a normal bloke and not the son of a god.

 

[Orignal Earl]

It doesn't matter whether socrates existed or not, because the source of the shit attributed to him is irrelevant, unlike with jesus and christianity, where jesus' existence is directly relevant to the revelation story. Then again, jesus' historical existence isn't really relevant either, since it's far more likely that he'd have been a normal bloke and not the son of a god.

It should be said that Mo thought Jesus was a messenger of God too

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_in_Islam

 

[justoh]

It should be said that Mo thought Jesus was a messenger of God too

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_in_Islam

all abrahamic faiths after judaism accept jesus as at least a prophet, if not the son of their common god, even mormons. At least all those taken seriously. Why are any taken seriously again?

 

[Dr. Zaus]

jesus' historical existence isn't really relevant either,

Thats right. Your point was a distraction from the argument instead of focusing on points at hand.

I can't win against someone who has FREEDOM and JESUS on their side

This was clearly neither my argument nor the subject of the discussion. It's cute that you think you can lie about something which is disproven inches above.

 

[Dr. Zaus]

Since this argument was advanced, and countered by me, but then never addressed by detractors, I will post it again:

What a retarded comment.

I originate from a muslim country where 60% of lawyers ,
50% of judges and doctors are women , thanks to hate, of course....

Is there a single western country that has such ratio ?

Does your country implement major aspects of Sharia law?

Does your country follow the Koran's allowance of beating one's wife, provided the beating is for her own good and is not about the face?
^Never answered^

Should a woman always obey her husband?
Do women have the right to divorce their husbands?
Do males and females have, by default, equal inheritance rights?

Here's a great article on the last three issues:

http://www.theatlantic.com/internat...d-think-about-womens-rights-in-charts/275450/

In most countries surveyed, majorities of Muslim women as well as men agree that a wife is always obliged to obey her husband. Indeed, more than nine-in-ten Muslims in Iraq (92%), Morocco (92%), Tunisia (93%), Indonesia (93%), Afghanistan (94%) and Malaysia (96%) express this view.

All this "culture only" diversity and still 1 out of every 5 real Muslims, even in the most liberal of countries, want to bludgeon women to death for having no-no sex.

 

[justoh]

Yes, Dixy, religion is bad, particularly islam. We get it!

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

I always have a problem when I just state Americans.
I know by far most Americans aren't like the right wingers here at P&N
Sometimes I wonder if I should type * loner right wing IT guy Americans*
😉

I think we've found a graphic example. 😀

 

[Doppel]

Yes, Dixy, religion is bad, particularly islam. We get it!

Not everyone.

Dixy has made real progress here, though, getting O Earl to acknowledge that the prophet of Islam was a war mongering child rapist. The next step is to realize that having a pedophile brigand as the head of a religion is, not surprisingly, something that shapes the religion in certain inevitable ways.

 

[Orignal Earl]

Since this argument was advanced, and countered by me, but then never addressed by detractors, I will post it again:



Does your country implement major aspects of Sharia law?

Does your country follow the Koran's allowance of beating one's wife, provided the beating is for her own good and is not about the face?
^Never answered^

Should a woman always obey her husband?
Do women have the right to divorce their husbands?
Do males and females have, by default, equal inheritance rights?

Here's a great article on the last three issues:

http://www.theatlantic.com/internat...d-think-about-womens-rights-in-charts/275450/

All this "culture only" diversity and still 1 out of every 5 real Muslims, even in the most liberal of countries, want to bludgeon women to death for having no-no sex.

So you have no problem with Islam when it is practiced anywhere outside of a country with extreme Sharia law?
And of course, that would only be fundie Islamics, not most Muslims

We know that if fundie Christians had their way they would be dangerous also

Christian Pastor: ‘I Believe That the Government Should Use the Death Penalty’ on Homosexuals. And, 'It isn't rape if it's your wife'.

How do these fundies end up preaching against their prophets words?

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friend...-should-use-the-death-penalty-on-homosexuals/

 

[Orignal Earl]

Not everyone.

Dixy has made real progress here, though, getting O Earl to acknowledge that the prophet of Islam was a war mongering child rapist.

lol
Yes I acknowledge that in them days everyone except apparently Jesus was a war mongering child rapist.....
Apparently he was accused of wrong doing by a bunch of war mongering child rapists and then crucified by a bunch of war mongering child rapists homosexuals for it

 

[Doppel]

lol
Yes I acknowledge that in them days everyone except apparently Jesus was a war mongering child rapist.....
Apparently he was accused of wrong doing by a bunch of war mongering child rapists and then crucified by a bunch of war mongering child rapists homosexuals for it

Thank you.

Speaking of war mongering, another day, another couple of people savagely killed by Islamists, while one is beaten as he's injured on the ground after falling: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...oys-20ft-ledge-beating-lie-injured-floor.html

 

[Dr. Zaus]

Christian Pastor: ‘I Believe That the Government Should Use the Death Penalty’ on Homosexuals. And, 'It isn't rape if it's your wife'.

1% of christians v. 20%-80% of Muslims.
Today Islam is the cause of the beating, rape, and sub-human-treatment of 800 million people. No other religion has even come close to that kind of regressive bullshit in terms of the shear number of humans subjugated.

as was said above:

"the prophet of Islam was a war mongering child rapist... having a pedophile brigand as the head of a religion is, not surprisingly, something that shapes the religion in certain inevitable ways."

"religion is bad, particularly islam. " Again, my argument was against the idea that it was just the 'national culture' and not the religion.

It IS the religion.

Yes I acknowledge that in them days everyone except apparently Jesus was a war mongering child rapist.....
Apparently he was accused of wrong doing by a bunch of war mongering child rapists and then crucified by a bunch of war mongering child rapists for it

Evil people killed the good person that was saying that they were evil. A fairly reasonable story, Ghandi, John & Robert Kennedy, and Martin Luther King all come to mind. There's something else about them... can't quite put my finger on it.

 

[Doppel]

It IS the religion.

As was said in another thread, culture and religion in these countries are woven together, as they are in the United States, where the majority of people claim to be Christian, and as they are in most of the Middle East. Pretending that prevailing culture can be separated and entirely parsed out from religion is truly absurd. Any follower of any religion is influenced by it and influences according to it. To pretend otherwise is that Islam is unrelated to anything that goes on in these countries (despite many prizing sharia law).

 

[Orignal Earl]

It IS the religion.

Do Priests start out as normal people and the Catholic Church converts them into pedophiles?

 

[Whiskey16]

The best way to battle all encompassing hatred and ignorance as presented by many in this thread (particularly the self-declared trolling OP with his posting history to "kill all Muslims"), is to shame them into embarrassment from their ignorantly painful errors and a mirroring ironic relation of their hate that they prejudicially chastise an entire targeted group for.

Presenting here of Gandhi as a contrasting individual to mark against Islam, is sheer stupidity and inexcusable ignorance:

"religion is bad, particularly islam. " Again, my argument was against the idea that it was just the 'national culture' and not the religion.

It IS the religion.

Evil people killed the good person that was saying that they were evil. A fairly reasonable story, Ghandi, John & Robert Kennedy, and Martin Luther King all come to mind. There's something else about them... can't quite put my finger on it.

You certainly do lack quite a bit of knowledge and perspective.. That is quite particular when you raise Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi as a counter to the prophet of Islam. You are utterly unaware of Gandhi holding up that prophet as a deeply respecting and personal inspiration for his relatively peaceful life and belief:

"Young India", 1924, Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi

“I wanted to know the best of the life of one [Muhammad] who holds today an undisputed sway over the hearts of millions of mankind… I became more than ever convinced that it was not the sword that won a place for Islam in those days in the scheme of life. It was the rigid simplicity, the utter self-effacement of the Prophet the scrupulous regard for pledges, his intense devotion to his friends and followers, his intrepidity, his fearlessness, his absolute trust in God and in his own mission. These and not the sword carried everything before them and surmounted every obstacle. When I closed the second volume (of the Prophet’s biography), I was sorry there was not more for me to read of that great life.”

Wikipedia entry

Gandhi was critical of the hypocrisy in organised religion, rather than the principles on which they were based.

The concept of Islamic jihad can also be taken to mean a nonviolent struggle or satyagraha, in the way Gandhi practised it. On Islam he said:

"The sayings of Muhammad are a treasure of wisdom, not only for Muslims but for all of mankind".Later in his life when he was asked whether he was a Hindu, he replied:

"Yes I am. I am also a Christian, a Muslim, a Buddhist and a Jew".[14]

Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi:

"The Allah of Islam is the same as the God of Christians and the Ishwara of Hindus. Even as there are numerous names of God in Hinduism, there are many names of God in Islam. The names do not indicate individuality but attributes, and little man has tried in his humble way to describe mighty God by giving Him attributes, though He is above all attributes, Indescribable, Immeasurable."
..
"Living faith in his God means acceptance of the brotherhood of mankind. It also means equal respect for all religions. It would be height of intolerance...to believe that your religion is superior to other religions and that you would be justified in wanting others to change over to your faith."

The intolerant bigots in this thread that the OP, sad_guy ("Kill all Muslims), has trolled out are the antithesis of tolerance and respect as practiced by Gandhi, a name foolishly misrepresented in disrespectful use by the ignorance of Dixycrat.

[Edit: sorry, I have no idea why the forum system keeps creating extra quotes for sections I wished to be blocked together as a single entry.]