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2 girls in Pakistan shot dead for dancing in the rain.

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Orignal Earl said:
Honor killings are more cultural then religious, a Pope won't help with this either





http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honor_killing#Religion
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Great. The resident jihadist comes in to spin the news.

Whiskey16 said:
A supremacist nationalist and Muslim bashing by a self-declared AnandTech forum troll who has the recorded posting history to "kill all Muslims." [1] [2]

Cherry-picked bait for fellow forum prejudicial bigots. :thumbsdown: par-de-course for the AnandTech P&N.
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Another jihadist who supports radical Islam?
 
Jaskalas said:
and when politics fail, as it often did early in the West, do you recall our history? I suggest it was the moral teachings of religion that prepared our civilization for what it is today. A common thread that helped us weave the fabric of our civilization together.

I suggest that without that commonality our Tribalism would have killed the Renaissance before it ever got started.

We must take the lessons of our history, how we arrived at where we are today, and do our part to help apply it to them. Obviously it won't be exactly the same, but if we sit back and allow the public image of Islam to be that of terrorism. To let their inspirational figures be the likes of Osama Bin Laden.... it is a grave mistake.

We chose to throw away $2 trillion and 55,000 casualties to do nothing. Maybe we should apply our resources towards something productive instead of killing a few people and pissing off the rest.

If to HAVE people kill us is our goal - I'd say we're doing a damn fine job.
If stopping the violence is our goal, I'd say we're miserable failures.

What's good for stopping the violence against us, is also good for stopping the tribal violence against their own people.
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Yes, your tribe still hasn't got it's shit together yet either
 
Albatross said:
https://www.quora.com/History-of-Sc...le-real-progress-in-Europe-in-the-Middle-Ages
A little information to dispel the same tired myths about the Medieval age.
Nowadays,ignorance has no excuse.
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That guy contradicts himself and almost nothing I had previously claimed. Clearly some kind of Christian apologist. 4th to 12th century Europe was decidedly dark, apart from those areas controlled by Islam. He doesn't provide any evidence to the contrary and focuses mostly on the later middle ages, around the time of the rediscovery of ancient Greek knowledge in Toledo, after the place was gently ransacked by the no good Christian crusaders. That's when it ended. What were Christian thinkers doing in the meantime? Foolishly trying to prove the existence of God with what basic remnants of Aristotelian logic that they managed to hang on to when Rome fell, all of which begged the question and was completely unconvincing and pointless. One has to look to the Arabs to find anything interesting to read from that period. And now look at them
 
Every international company from the civilized world and all foreign military personnel should just get out of Pakistan (and Afghanistan) now and leave them to either self destruct or become civilized. We simply do not need to be dealing with the kind of culture that condones shooting teenage girls for dancing in the rain.
 
D1gger said:
Every international company from the civilized world and all foreign military personnel should just get out of Pakistan (and Afghanistan) now and leave them to either self destruct or become civilized. We simply do not need to be dealing with the kind of culture that condones shooting teenage girls for dancing in the rain.
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Most of the civilized world (except the US) would consider shooting a teenager for stealing a radio a barbaric culture.
 
I've hated that place since I was a kid, this is taste of why.

It's dangerous being born with two X chromosomes in Pakistan, particularly up in the tribal areas. Turn down the advances of an older man and you might just get to be one of the on the receiving end of one of the several hundred acid attacks that occur every year.

Wet women dancing apparently ups the ante, killed their mother too 🙁

RIP ladies...
 
I wonder if 1940s Japan would be sympathetic to such honor killings. But in Japan it was more suicides than killing family members.
 
sad_guy said:
No-one said anything about religion.

Most of the people in Pakistan are this way.
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Are you not Indian? Are you not on the record as a nationalist supremacist?

You cherry picked a news article as a trolling vehicle for outright bigotry against an entire targeted group.

You degrade a neighbouring state with cherry picked examples of horrid treatment of woman, yet this moralising contrast by yourself is fully dishonest, as portions of Indian culture are most certainly not to be absolved failing to come to terms with continuing extreme examples of violent misogyny. From the top of my head, a recent case:

Woman killed in alleged honour killing in India feared B.C. family

A British Columbia woman who Indian authorities believe was the victim of an honour killing planned in Canada spent the final months of her life in fear of her family, her friends testified Monday at the extradition hearing of her mother and uncle.

Jaswinder, or Jassi, Sidhu was 25 when she was found strangled and beaten to death in June 2000, her body dumped in a canal in India.

Her mother, Malkit Kaur Sidhu, and her uncle, Surjit Singh Badesha, are facing extradition to India to face charges of conspiracy to commit murder for allegedly unleashing the attack on the tall South Asian beauty and her lower caste husband.

"She had married a gentleman outside of an arranged marriage her family wanted," said Jody Wright, who worked with Sidhu at a Coquitlam beauty salon. "It was of her own free will. For love."
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postmortemIA said:
I have another solution: we don't do anything, and let them live their own way. Eventually, critical mass will be established, and will cause a revolution.
This is something we should have learned from the changes in Egypt.
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Egypt's moment came when unemployment got to a certain percentage for young people. The same triggers caused the Arab Spring in the other nations as well. Unfortunately, Pakistan's population is already 2x that of Egypt, unemployment is already worse, and there's still little appetite for widespread change.

Not that they don't have their every day heroes - lawyers and the judiciary have been especially vocal about a return to democracy, and the country's journalists literally risk their lives to report on the problems of the nation.

Still, the solution is to largely do nothing. Any and all interference in that area will be seen negatively.
 
Hayabusa Rider said:
Dude, I'm not anti-islamist, but that isn't going to go far at all.
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Well, I'm sorry but it's true.
You guys find it perfectly acceptable and the rest of the West does not.
I've even seen worse posted here, some posters figure its ok to kill someone if they just scare you somewhat
You guys think the death penalty is great and would even vote to let the state decide your life and death ( the same state that most of the posters in the Zimmerman say decides your fate on whims)
Lots of aspects of American culture are looked down on by the West.
I could see in the not too distant future naming the US the Far Right West, then there would be the West, the Middle East etc
 
Why are you comparing an overreaction to property theft with the religiously inspired insanity involved in killing people for absolute nonsense? On the death penalty, there are arguments for capital punishment for serious criminal/anti social behavior that one could make, which may even seem convincing to some people, but how many arguments can you come up with for killing people for dancing in the rain?
 
justoh said:
Why are you comparing an overreaction to property theft with the religiously inspired insanity involved in killing people for absolute nonsense? On the death penalty, there are arguments for capital punishment for serious criminal/anti social behavior that one could make, which may even seem convincing to some people, but how many arguments can you come up with for killing people for dancing in the rain?
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You must of skipped over my post about honor killings.
They are not religious.
 
Orignal Earl said:
You must of skipped over my post about honor killings.
They are not religious.
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Right... First you said they were more cultural than religious, now just cultural? And what's the difference between culture and religion when religion informs and dominates every facet of daily life in many countries. Pakistan, for example. Of course there are educated people in every shithole, but all of those guys left pakistan to be engineers in some guy's region.
 
justoh said:
Right... First you said they were more cultural than religious, now just cultural? And what's the difference between culture and religion when religion informs and dominates every facet of daily life in many countries. Pakistan, for example. Of course there are educated people in every shithole, but all of those guys left pakistan to be engineers in some guy's region.
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Religion is a one part of several that makes a culture
This example of an honor killing has nothing to do with Religion

Whereabouts in Central Europe are you located?
 
Orignal Earl said:
Religion is a one part of several that makes a culture
This example of an honor killing has nothing to do with Religion

Whereabouts in Central Europe are you located?
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It's easy to underestimate the influence of religion and for culture and religion to be hard to distinguish, but it doesn't really matter since it's the underlying ignorance that's to blame. I skimmed that wiki entry for honor killings and it seemed like religion was involved. Coincidence? Were the people who killed the dancing girls secular or religious?

I'm in CH, which is my idea of central europe.
 
justoh said:
Coincidence? Were the people who killed the dancing girls secular or religious?
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Nobody ever asks murders what religion they belong to.
Because it has nothing to do with it

Hillbillies used to be ( still are ) big on family honor
Murdering someone because they insulted your family honor was never considered religous
 
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