2 Abrams tanks vs. 10,000 Chinese cavalrymen: Who would win?

[iGas]

Unlimited fuel & ammo is stupid, but using this scenario it would be a stale mate.

Calvary can burn hay/oil/trench to impaired tanks visions/sensors and wait for the tanks to move into their trap. Calvary will be massacre if they charge.

 

[iGas]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: Woosta
Cavalrymen obviously, because of the numbers. You're all forgetting that there's ten *thousand* - not three hundred, ten THOUSAND.

If we take a look at an image of a tank:

http://images.google.com/url?s...KJM0zuHbPVr_pCBDDsmzqA

YES, there's going to be TONS of dead cavalrymen but JUST look at the picture of the tank. I'm confident that even if 100 cavalry men were shot in front of the tank, the pile of corpses would prevent it from going forward. Now that's just 50, provided it's covered on *all* sides and starts killing that's a ton of corpses, so much that I doubt it would be possibl for the tank to actually go anywhere. If we stick enough bones, human and horse body parts to the open areas around the wheels, it's BOUND TO GET STUCK.

There's just way too friggin many cavalrymen, we're only dealing with *two* Abrams tanks. If it was 10-20 - 10000 wouldn't be able to contain that definitely but 2..

How exactly do the cavalrymen kill the people in the tank though. :roll:

Cooking.

 

[Woosta]

Originally posted by: iGas

Unlimited fuel & ammo is stupid,

Yes

Originally posted by: iGas

Calvary can burn hay/oil/trench to impaired tanks visions/sensors and wait for the tanks to move into their trap. Calvary will be massacre if they charge.

Interesting theory.

 

[SSSnail]

Originally posted by: iGas

Unlimited fuel & ammo is stupid, but using this scenario it would be a stale mate.

Calvary can burn hay/oil/trench to impaired tanks visions/sensors and wait for the tanks to move into their trap. Calvary will be massacre if they charge.

I'd just use my unlimited ammo to blow whatever shits you think you can burn up out of the sand. My guns can reach quite far, and don't even get me to load up white phosphorus.

How fast do you think your horse can sprint, and for how long? How fast do you think my tank can sprint in open salt flats? Tell you what, dig up trenches, I'll just fill them with your buddies' bodies. Either that or vaporize their bodies...

 

[IronWing]

This is easy. The 10,000 horsemen do not approach the tank but instead ride wide circles around it. The tank crew, being decent American soldiers hold fire because they aren't being attacked and want to keep casualties to a minimum. The horsemen just keep riding circles until the dust cloud chokes the Abrams and kills the turbine. Then the horsemen stop for lunch, sing some Maoists songs, wait for the batteries to die, and then go kick ass.

 

[Agentbolt]

Originally posted by: Woosta
Cavalrymen obviously, because of the numbers. You're all forgetting that there's ten *thousand* - not three hundred, ten THOUSAND.

If we take a look at an image of a tank:

http://images.google.com/url?s...KJM0zuHbPVr_pCBDDsmzqA

YES, there's going to be TONS of dead cavalrymen but JUST look at the picture of the tank. I'm confident that even if 100 cavalry men were shot in front of the tank, the pile of corpses would prevent it from going forward. Now that's just 50, provided it's covered on *all* sides and starts killing that's a ton of corpses, so much that I doubt it would be possibl for the tank to actually go anywhere. If we stick enough bones, human and horse body parts to the open areas around the wheels, it's BOUND TO GET STUCK.

There's just way too friggin many cavalrymen, we're only dealing with *two* Abrams tanks. If it was 10-20 - 10000 wouldn't be able to contain that definitely but 2..

Are you insane? The Abrhams tank is fucking JET POWERED and has a top speed of something like 60 mph, and weighs many thousands of pounds. You could stack dead horses and cavalry men in front of it like cordwood for hundreds of yards and it would blast through them like they were smoke. You might as well try to hem in an automobile with carboard boxes full of packing peanuts.

Short of the cavalrymen having RPGs there's just no way they can stop it.

 

[foghorn67]

Originally posted by: Woosta
Stuff friggin weapons down the gun hole, body parts, horse body parts, smoke bombs, grenades, try to find some sort of weak point, focus on one part, charge all 10,000 at one tank and turn the shit over ( yes, its 65 tons but this is 10,000 horses + humans which I *think* would be more than enough ).. retreat and play mind games by randomly attacking over a prolonged amount of time, wait and spy on the soldiers in the tank if they have no more food and they're forced to get out, whether its a month, months, years, we're talking about friggin 10000 humans. There *is* a way.

You are speaking like you can organize 10,000 men with all different personalities (even simpletons raised with the same doctrine), different physical attributes and thresholds, and different horses. (Even the same breeds will show different traits and abilities) into one over orchestrated attack or pile on?
You are also assuming you can communicate with each of the 10,000 men like they can hear you.
You also grossly underestimate the sheer willpower for even a battle horse to simply want to live. You also don't know why or how you can get a horse to charge. Lot's of trickery involved since horses actually won't charge an immovable object.
You also probably haven't even heard the deafening sound of a 120mm smooth bore canon. Or how the earth shakes beneath you. Or how it can make your ears bleed if you don't have protection. Or the vast amount of smoke and fire it plumes out.
Just look it up. How many successful horse charges were there after modern artillery and machine gun nest existed. None. Horses will either kick you off or fall on it's side, or if you are lucky, it might just turn around and run away with someone still on it's back.

You are also simply picturing 10,000 horses and men to stack up like a massive cheerleader pyramid. Do you really think you can stack horses that high. I'll give you a hint, you can probably stack them as high as one horse can jump.

 

[CottonRabbit]

The 9,998 cavalry men, having an unlimited amount of ammo, take all the gunpowder out of their cartridges and cover the entire desert in 20 feet of gunpowder.

If that's too slow, 9,998 cavalry men can start to frantically throw away all their bullets while it replenishes instantly. Eventually, the desert will be covered in too many bullets for the tank to move.

Two cavalry men run away so that they can survive to win the match.

 

[jlee]

For everyone saying that the bodies will pile up so high that the tanks can't get anywhere..how, exactly, do you presume that the cavalry is proceeding over this mass- which is allegedly impenetrable to TANKS..?

 

[foghorn67]

Originally posted by: CottonRabbit
The 9,998 cavalry men, having an unlimited amount of ammo, take all the gunpowder out of their cartridges and cover the entire desert in 20 feet of gunpowder.

If that's too slow, 9,998 cavalry men can start to frantically throw away all their bullets while it replenishes instantly. Eventually, the desert will be covered in too many bullets for the tank to move.

Two cavalry men run away so that they can survive to win the match.

Stupid argument too. It's in a salt flat desert. How in the hell are you going to get horses and their men to outride an Abrams enough to get in front of it and do all of that?

 

[SSSnail]

My apologies, I underestimated the power of Chinese resilience, as evident here it took one man with a shopping bag to stop a column of tanks.

Perhaps the people arguing for the cavalries have a point after all...

This looks like a job for Mythbusters IMO.

 

[CottonRabbit]

Originally posted by: foghorn67

Originally posted by: CottonRabbit
The 9,998 cavalry men, having an unlimited amount of ammo, take all the gunpowder out of their cartridges and cover the entire desert in 20 feet of gunpowder.

If that's too slow, 9,998 cavalry men can start to frantically throw away all their bullets while it replenishes instantly. Eventually, the desert will be covered in too many bullets for the tank to move.

Two cavalry men run away so that they can survive to win the match.

Stupid argument too. It's in a salt flat desert. How in the hell are you going to get horses and their men to outride an Abrams enough to get in front of it and do all of that?

OP never stated the starting distance of the match. If the two sides start off 10 miles apart, I could easily see the cavalry men pulling this off. If the cavalry men have muskets, then a infinite bag of black powder makes this even easier and possible at a closer range.

 

[foghorn67]

Originally posted by: SSSnail
My apologies, I underestimated the power of Chinese resilience, as evident here it took one man with a shopping bag to stop a column of tanks.

Perhaps the people arguing for the cavalries have a point after all...

This looks like a job for Mythbusters IMO.

If that happens, I'll steal a quote from the sitcom "Dinosaurs".

"We're going to need another Timmy."

 

[foghorn67]

Originally posted by: CottonRabbit

Originally posted by: foghorn67

Originally posted by: CottonRabbit
The 9,998 cavalry men, having an unlimited amount of ammo, take all the gunpowder out of their cartridges and cover the entire desert in 20 feet of gunpowder.

If that's too slow, 9,998 cavalry men can start to frantically throw away all their bullets while it replenishes instantly. Eventually, the desert will be covered in too many bullets for the tank to move.

Two cavalry men run away so that they can survive to win the match.

Stupid argument too. It's in a salt flat desert. How in the hell are you going to get horses and their men to outride an Abrams enough to get in front of it and do all of that?

OP never stated the starting distance of the match. If the two sides start off 10 miles apart, I could easily see the cavalry men pulling this off. If the cavalry men have muskets, then a infinite bag of black powder makes this even easier and possible at a closer range.

how much wood could a woodchuck chuck....
Even at ten miles, it wouldn't be enough make something that big that fast.
Also, any tank commander would just go, "look what these guys are up to. Fire a salvo to burn that crap off and see how many idiots go up with it." Long before the tank was barely visible to the cavalry.

 

[jlee]

Originally posted by: CottonRabbit

Originally posted by: foghorn67

Originally posted by: CottonRabbit
The 9,998 cavalry men, having an unlimited amount of ammo, take all the gunpowder out of their cartridges and cover the entire desert in 20 feet of gunpowder.

If that's too slow, 9,998 cavalry men can start to frantically throw away all their bullets while it replenishes instantly. Eventually, the desert will be covered in too many bullets for the tank to move.

Two cavalry men run away so that they can survive to win the match.

Stupid argument too. It's in a salt flat desert. How in the hell are you going to get horses and their men to outride an Abrams enough to get in front of it and do all of that?

OP never stated the starting distance of the match. If the two sides start off 10 miles apart, I could easily see the cavalry men pulling this off. If the cavalry men have muskets, then a infinite bag of black powder makes this even easier and possible at a closer range.

And you're assuming the tanks are going to ride right up there. I scanned through this real quick and didn't find a range listed for the main gun..but I did notice that in the Gulf War, the M1 outranged the Soviet tanks by a kilometer.

How big is your black powder explosion going to be? I think a 120mm shell from a half mile away would work pretty well.

This link refers to the XM1007 Tank Extended Range Munition, which extends maximum range beyond the 3-4km for line of sight. So, there you go - if the tank can see you, goodbye. Good luck, Mr. Cavalry..

 

[SSSnail]

The black powder all over the desert... lol, that would make all the cavalries go POOF that much faster as soon as the tank just fart some incendiary in their general direction.

 

[jlee]

Originally posted by: SSSnail
The black powder all over the desert... lol, that would make all the cavalries go POOF that much faster as soon as the tank just fart some incendiary in their general direction.

Sit and wait for a horseshoe to nick a rock?

 

[Iron Woode]

forget 2 Abrams tanks vs. 10,000 Chinese cavalrymen.

how about one Bolo Mark XXV Stupendous versus the entire Chinese Military?

:Q

 

[CottonRabbit]

Originally posted by: SSSnail
The black powder all over the desert... lol, that would make all the cavalries go POOF that much faster as soon as the tank just fart some incendiary in their general direction.

I don't even need to blow up the tanks. Lighting millions of tons of black powder on fire would quickly create a deadly atmosphere of soot, carbon dioxide, carbon monoxide, and sulfur products. I don't think you guys understand the implications of giving 10,000 people magical access to an unlimited amount of explosives.

 

[jlee]

Originally posted by: CottonRabbit

Originally posted by: SSSnail
The black powder all over the desert... lol, that would make all the cavalries go POOF that much faster as soon as the tank just fart some incendiary in their general direction.

I don't even need to blow up the tanks. Lighting millions of tons of black powder on fire would quickly create a deadly atmosphere of soot, carbon dioxide, carbon monoxide, and sulfur products. I don't think you guys understand the implications of giving 10,000 people magical access to an unlimited amount of explosives.

Do explain how the 10,000 people will survive this deadly atmosphere. Meanwhile, the tanks drive away.

 

[mrSHEiK124]

Drive the tanks away at full speed and just play Space Invaders with the advancing cavalry. Game over. With all of the fucking insane munitions tanks have, it'll take a lot less than the 6 hours of fuel to wipe out a 10,000 man wave. One main cannon shot will take out a good couple of dozen people easily. And you have unlimited ammo....you don't even need to aim, just fire.

 

[SSSnail]

Originally posted by: JLee

Originally posted by: CottonRabbit

Originally posted by: SSSnail
The black powder all over the desert... lol, that would make all the cavalries go POOF that much faster as soon as the tank just fart some incendiary in their general direction.

I don't even need to blow up the tanks. Lighting millions of tons of black powder on fire would quickly create a deadly atmosphere of soot, carbon dioxide, carbon monoxide, and sulfur products. I don't think you guys understand the implications of giving 10,000 people magical access to an unlimited amount of explosives.

Do explain how the 10,000 people will survive this deadly atmosphere. Meanwhile, the tanks drive away.

Not to mention, they're protected from biological and chemical attacks...

Seriously, some of you guys need educated yourselves on the capabilities of the M1 Abrams before arguing. In some cases, even the Abrams couldn't destroy another one with its main gun, what makes you think guys on horses will dent them?

Take me back 500 years, give me enough supplies and a few Abrams and I will conquer the world.

 

[jlee]

The new M1028 120 mm anti-personnel canister cartridge was brought into service early for use in the aftermath of the 2003 invasion of Iraq. It contains 1,098 3/8 inch tungsten balls which spread from the muzzle to produce a shotgun effect lethal out to 600 m. The tungsten balls can be used to clear enemy dismounts, break up hasty ambush sites in urban areas, clear defiles, stop infantry attacks and counter-attacks and support friendly infantry assaults by providing covering fire. The canister round is also a highly effective breaching round and can level cinder block walls and knock man-sized holes in reinforced concrete walls for infantry raids at distances up to 75 meters.[9]

Epic shotgun > Cavalry.

 

[Buttzilla]

Originally posted by: SSSnail

Originally posted by: JLee

Originally posted by: CottonRabbit

Originally posted by: SSSnail
The black powder all over the desert... lol, that would make all the cavalries go POOF that much faster as soon as the tank just fart some incendiary in their general direction.

I don't even need to blow up the tanks. Lighting millions of tons of black powder on fire would quickly create a deadly atmosphere of soot, carbon dioxide, carbon monoxide, and sulfur products. I don't think you guys understand the implications of giving 10,000 people magical access to an unlimited amount of explosives.

Do explain how the 10,000 people will survive this deadly atmosphere. Meanwhile, the tanks drive away.

Not to mention, they're protected from biological and chemical attacks...

Seriously, some of you guys need educated yourselves on the capabilities of the M1 Abrams before arguing. In some cases, even the Abrams couldn't destroy another one with its main gun, what makes you think guys on horses will dent them?

Take me back 500 years, give me enough supplies and a few Abrams and I will conquer the world.

like what the US did in Vietnam?

 

[Agentbolt]

Originally posted by: JLee

The new M1028 120 mm anti-personnel canister cartridge was brought into service early for use in the aftermath of the 2003 invasion of Iraq. It contains 1,098 3/8 inch tungsten balls which spread from the muzzle to produce a shotgun effect lethal out to 600 m. The tungsten balls can be used to clear enemy dismounts, break up hasty ambush sites in urban areas, clear defiles, stop infantry attacks and counter-attacks and support friendly infantry assaults by providing covering fire. The canister round is also a highly effective breaching round and can level cinder block walls and knock man-sized holes in reinforced concrete walls for infantry raids at distances up to 75 meters.[9]

Epic shotgun > Cavalry.

I remember first reading about that weapon in World War Z, that sounds like the second coolest thing ever. The first coolest were the Flechette rounds for the machine gun grenade launcher.