The burning of that card really traumatized you didn't it? :laugh: You bring that up almost as often as the "you will never buy/haven't bought" argument.
Don't you ever tire of repeating the same things over and over? :roll:
Don't you ever tire of repeating the same things over and over? :roll:
Huh? In the higher settings, the XTX is *faster* than 2xGT's. Who doesnt buy a highend card, and run at highend settings? Not many. They are basically on par, but some are calling 1fps a win. Not to mention (which you ignored) you can flip the argument around, and claim the GT's run faster than the "new" 512MB GTX, for almost half the cost.
The X1900's perform substantionally faster than the GTX's in a few forward thinking games, such as F.E.A.R. And is generally overall faster in other games. Why pin the whole argument on which is faster? Hows about what one card can do, that the others cannot? Such as, HDR+AA in a few games (more to come this year), better AF, Avivo, less power, less noise, less heat, etc.
How do you figure the XTX runs at a lower detail level than NV cards? It doesnt if AF is selected properly.
Oh , noes! But.. but.. you're missing the new important features that will be so useful in future games! I'd rather have a card that plays at 80 fps with more features and better IQ than a primitive card (or two) that plays 5 fps faster that I wont notice anyways...
:roll:
sound familiar ???
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Well just so that we don't base this whole argument off of one review I found another review on a French site that pits the X1900XTX and SLI'd 7800GTs against ech other. I also included Techreports results when they tested the same games ,at the same res and, same AA settings. There were a few more games they tested but I chose the most popular. The chart shows the % increase of the XTX over the SLI 7800GTs.
.............................................................French Site.......................................Techreport
.................................................1920x1200 4AA...1600x1200 4AA........1600x1200 4AA/8AF
Fear.................................................58%.....................47%
HL2 LC..............................................4%.....................-3%................................1%
HL2 LC- HDR....................................13%.....................-3%
FarCry..............................................2%.......................2%
FarCry- HDR (no AA)........................50%.....................46%
Serious Sam...................................-11%....................-11%
Serious Sam- HDR (no AA)..............14%.....................12%
SC: CT...............................................2%.....................-3%
SC: CT- HDR (no AA)........................Tie........................Tie
AOE:3..............................................Tie.......................-9%
AOE:3- HDR....................................80%....................74%
AOE:3- HDR (no AA).........................9%.......................2%
Quake4...........................................17%.....................14%.............................-34%
The XTX doesn't come off looking so bad. I'm not sure why the Quake 4 results are so different, maybe they used HQ AF on the ATI or something (if someone can read French than maybe we can figure out why). The X1900XT is within a few % of the XTX so the arguement about it costing more than two 7800GTs just got sunk too.
If you couple the above performance along with the other reasons I mentioned in my first post (listed below) than I don't see a compelling reason to go with SLI'd 7800GTs over the X1900XT/X. Everyone's entitled to his/her opinion of course but hopefully they can back it up too.
1) IQ enhancements
2) ease of working with a single card vs. two (i.e. space and heat)
3) ability to overclock without resorting to voltmods
4) no profiles (they work pretty well but there are still bugs)
5) no tearing on an LCD (that is extremely annoying)
6) ultimate overclocking ability for the cpu (i.e. high HTT) is somewhat hindered by the extra overhead of SLI through the chipset, according to some.
.............................................................French Site.......................................Techreport
.................................................1920x1200 4AA...1600x1200 4AA........1600x1200 4AA/8AF
Fear.................................................58%.....................47%
HL2 LC..............................................4%.....................-3%................................1%
HL2 LC- HDR....................................13%.....................-3%
FarCry..............................................2%.......................2%
FarCry- HDR (no AA)........................50%.....................46%
Serious Sam...................................-11%....................-11%
Serious Sam- HDR (no AA)..............14%.....................12%
SC: CT...............................................2%.....................-3%
SC: CT- HDR (no AA)........................Tie........................Tie
AOE:3..............................................Tie.......................-9%
AOE:3- HDR....................................80%....................74%
AOE:3- HDR (no AA).........................9%.......................2%
Quake4...........................................17%.....................14%.............................-34%
The XTX doesn't come off looking so bad. I'm not sure why the Quake 4 results are so different, maybe they used HQ AF on the ATI or something (if someone can read French than maybe we can figure out why). The X1900XT is within a few % of the XTX so the arguement about it costing more than two 7800GTs just got sunk too.
If you couple the above performance along with the other reasons I mentioned in my first post (listed below) than I don't see a compelling reason to go with SLI'd 7800GTs over the X1900XT/X. Everyone's entitled to his/her opinion of course but hopefully they can back it up too.
1) IQ enhancements
2) ease of working with a single card vs. two (i.e. space and heat)
3) ability to overclock without resorting to voltmods
4) no profiles (they work pretty well but there are still bugs)
5) no tearing on an LCD (that is extremely annoying)
6) ultimate overclocking ability for the cpu (i.e. high HTT) is somewhat hindered by the extra overhead of SLI through the chipset, according to some.
WWOOOOOOOOOOOOOWWW, you really think outside the box apart from your pathetic 1fps wins which will dissapear in a month.
"it would have better numbers for a refresh......."its by far the biggest ever leap of a refresh. especially when you consider its with the same clocks and it will prove sustainable compared to the GTX512.
When the GTX came out it was faster than LAST GEN CARDS!!!!!!!!!!!!! big whoop.
Now that the X1900 cards are out they are fater than the GTX's. and are comparably as fast as 2 x gt's with unoptimised drivers. it does not take a genius that the one card is doing very well all things considereing.
Your like a moron that bought 2 6600's(at the same time) when he could have had 1 6800 GT/ultra and run things as well and more stable.
what old CARDS cants it keep up with? the 7800GT dual would be an old CARD. anything else ?
and still you are comparing a single VPU to a dual VPU. good comparison there
taking that into consideration, you are STILL worng. if the x1900xtx could keep up with SLI'd GT's, then it could keep up with a GT dual
Nice post Elfear but it'll likely be ignored since it shows actual numbers and no putdowns
The 7800GT Sli was a great solution before yesterday. A single 1900xt/x is the way to go, for now.
Well, I can sort of read French based on what I remember form high school, but I can also use google translate . The french site linked a few posts above mentions that they used the maximum available AF in all tests, with or without AA. They also said when the requested AF mode was not available from within the game, they forced 16x from the drivers control panel. Moreover, they disabled the filtering optimizations on NV cards to reduce the texture shimmering.
. The french site linked a few posts above mentions that they used the maximum available AF in all tests, with or without AA. They also said when the requested AF mode was not available from within the game, they forced 16x from the drivers control panel. Moreover, they disabled the filtering optimizations on NV cards to reduce the texture shimmering.
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Originally posted by: munky
Well, I can sort of read French based on what I remember form high school, but I can also use google translate
Doh. I guess i should have thought of translating it via the web.
That explains the descrepency in the results though.Originally posted by: munky
Well, I can sort of read French based on what I remember form high school, but I can also use google translate
what a laugh.
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Originally posted by: RobertR1
Nice post Elfear but it'll likely be ignored since it shows actual numbers and no putdowns
The 7800GT Sli was a great solution before yesterday. A single 1900xt/x is the way to go, for now.
No mention of minimum framerates? Because that is much more important (to me) than max framerates. 7800GT SLI vs. X1900XTX minimum/average framerates is what I would like to see.
Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Originally posted by: RobertR1
Nice post Elfear but it'll likely be ignored since it shows actual numbers and no putdowns
The 7800GT Sli was a great solution before yesterday. A single 1900xt/x is the way to go, for now.
No mention of minimum framerates? Because that is much more important (to me) than max framerates. 7800GT SLI vs. X1900XTX minimum/average framerates is what I would like to see.
please stop.
I didn't want to bother. But after reading several of your utterly/biased/ridiculous posts and wasted my time I've decided to refute everyone of your AtiFanboism.
"WWOOOOOOOOOOOOOWWW, you really think outside the box apart from your pathetic 1fps wins which will dissapear in a month. "
completely pointless. You don't know whether the driver will improve performance.
"When the GTX came out it was faster than LAST GEN CARDS!!!!!!!!!!!!! big whoop. "
why is this a "big whoop" when 1900xt is in the same situation? or are you trying to say "big whoop" 1900xt too?
"Your like a moron..."
YES, YOU ARE.
Originally posted by: Steelski
Originally posted by: munky
Well, I can sort of read French based on what I remember form high school, but I can also use google translate
what a laugh.
why? care to explain?
or are you just expressing your ATI fanboism?
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A dual slot cooler is not that much less heat, noise and space. Several sites that ran IQ comparisons between ATI and NVIDIA using HL2 showed with screenshots that ATI was missing details like plants, branches, powerlines etc. It has been proven that for some reason HL2 runs at a lower detail level on ATI cards. The dual GT's can also do 16xAA something missing from the XTX. AVIVO is no better than Pure Video which has been out for 2 years. On the Tech Report site the dual GT's were still ahead of the XTX even with higher settings.
HDR+AA that barely works on a few games? It's funny how ATI dongle boys were saying how much HDR sucked on the 6800's saying it was slow and on a limited number of games but now that the same is true for ATI, it's hotter than a monkey fart. :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
I see no reason to question techreport, but they only tested some games like FEAR at one setting, and it was only 1280x960. I'd like to see the benches at higher resolutions.
Originally posted by: munky
Well, I can sort of read French based on what I remember form high school, but I can also use google translate
Thanks for the translation. That frech review is pretty thourough actually. Why can't other reviewers use HQ settings and max out AF??? It's now like they're testing low-mid range solutions.
Also, the techreport review seems to be using Cat 5.13's where this one uses 6.2beta's. I could be wrong since Techport presents the driver edition in a diff. format than simply stating "cat 5.13 or cat 6.2beta."
I must say you are persistent.
"why is this a "big whoop" when 1900xt is in the same situation? or are you trying to say "
Well. where do i start, the one point would be that X1900 series is just a refresh. next gen is R600. but you wouldent understand that.
your "I know you are but what am i" comment is a bit crap aswell.
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