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avi85

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Originally posted by: apoppin
Originally posted by: Stumps
Originally posted by: apoppin
Originally posted by: Stumps

I have tried to put things as simply as possible..if anybody has anything else to add then feel free to do so.

OK ... frank and to the point ...

why do you waste your time with someone who is so obviously laughing at you?
:Q

he is playing you and your desire to be helpful ... like a violin :p

and did the mods answer? ... they get ~200 emails/PM a day ... try FI ;)

EDIT: Your head should hurt. ... there is NOTHING you summarized or posted that has not been covered -- over-and-over by other people trying to help someone who is getting their sick entertainment out of it

I just posted all that so I could say that he received all the help that was possible.

Now I can sit back and continue insulting him without anybody saying that I didn't offer to help.

look back at this compendium of help - hours of forum time - not ONLY this thread but dozens of others - wasted on someone that is beyond help ... everyone can continue insulting him [if that is even possible]

can we get a mod to look at this? ... :|
...and LOCK it!
:thumbsdown:
:thumbsdown:

WHY!!! this is entertaining ;)
 

Stumps

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Originally posted by: apoppin
Originally posted by: Stumps
Originally posted by: apoppin
Originally posted by: Stumps

I have tried to put things as simply as possible..if anybody has anything else to add then feel free to do so.

OK ... frank and to the point ...

why do you waste your time with someone who is so obviously laughing at you?
:Q

he is playing you and your desire to be helpful ... like a violin :p

and did the mods answer? ... they get ~200 emails/PM a day ... try FI ;)

EDIT: Your head should hurt. ... there is NOTHING you summarized or posted that has not been covered -- over-and-over by other people trying to help someone who is getting their sick entertainment out of it

I just posted all that so I could say that he received all the help that was possible.

Now I can sit back and continue insulting him without anybody saying that I didn't offer to help.

look back at this compendium of help - hours of forum time - not ONLY this thread but dozens of others - wasted on someone that is beyond help ... everyone can continue insulting him [if that is even possible]

can we get a mod to look at this? ... :|
...and LOCK it!
:thumbsdown:
:thumbsdown:

I sent several PM's to the Almighty one...however I haven't had a reply in a few days....does the Video forum even have a mod any more...is it like the OS forum....a free for all.
 

akshayt

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I normally don't use Temporal or Adaptive Anti Aliasling. I mostly leave CCC at default or change the AI to disabled.

How do I check if it is a IRQ conflict?

How do I access the card's BIOS?

I don't have another PCIe 16x slot and nor do I have my HDD in RAID, I only use 1 HDD.

HDD is probably in DMA mode.

How do I check if the HDD is accessed during stutter? Page file is left for windows to decide, which I know isn't recommended(but didn't kow what to set).

I have nothing extra (much) installed on my computers so there aren't many drivers. I don't install KB, mouse and monitor drivers.

Temps are fine, don't know about mem usage.

Tried clearing the CMOS(battery).

I don't use AV.






THE PROBLEMS (CURRENTLY IN DETAIL)

Little/Medium Problem Games:

UT04 Full:
Runs fine at 12x10 MAX no AA no AF in most Deathmatch maps where I don't use too many CPU bots(the lower the better plus map dependent).
Runs fine at/ok at 12x10 6x AA 16x HQ AF, but I don't think it runs as good as it does without AA and AF.
Runs ok with 6x AAA 16x HQ AF but I think it might be receiving some performance as well as FPS hit.


HL2
12x10 MAX AA AF(6x and 16x I think), runs fine, played very very little, no shooting at all, but that was fine.

GRAW
12x9 High no AA 16x HQ AF, runs acceptably, not many major issues, but not exactly perfect.

CoD2
12x10 MAX 4x AA 16x HQ AF, mostly runs decent(not perfect), some maps(the first one) seems to run a little crap when FPS dip relatively lower like mid 30s and lower 40s.

GTA San Andreas 12x10 6x AA 16x HQ AF, runs playable although definitely not perfect, plus texture loading issues when I walk while looking at the ground.

Doom3/Quake 4/Prey, runs playable at 12x10 MAX 4x AA, however they don't really seem to run that great. Quake 4 demo at 12x10 High 4x AA used to run a lot lot better than full Quake 4 at 12x10 UHigh. With these games I do get frequent performance issues, after interval of dozens of seconds maybe.

Chaos Theory demo, 12x10 MAX 4x AA, mostly runs fine, but not the best possible performance.

Hitman Blood Money demo, 12x10 MAX 4x AA, at best runs playable. Doesn't run too great and there is a lot lot more that I desire from it, which would actually make it a much better experience. Runs better without soft shadows and AA, however a 1900xtx doesn't need to loose them for the extra performance as my FPS are pretty good even without switching them off.

Fear Extraction Point demo, 12x9 MAX no AA, runs decently with the issues expected from ATi cards, not many hiccups here. With 4x AA the game become unplayable in certain areas but that is what a 1900xtx can anyway give according to benchies.

Battlefield 2 demo, 12x10 MAX, doesn't run that good.

Battlefield 2142 demo online, runs ok at 12x10 4x AA on a 200-250Kbps internet connection.

Most Wanted 12x10 4x AA, runs playable but not great. In some areas I may be still getting the tree/building or even road stuttering plus the game runs slightly choppy(not unplayable), I think a 1900xtx should do much more than this.



HUGE PROBLEMS

Fear full, 12x9 MAX 4x AA, 16x AF, the first map was ok for ATI cards overall, the beginning of the second map was also fine. But when I used cheats to skip to higher levels, mostly the game runs like crap and very often the FPS are very bad as well even without anybody in the vicinity. This game almost kind of runs unplayable.

NFS Carbon demo, runs ok at 800x600 lowest settings with occasional hiccups which shouldn't be there at these settings. With 10x7 High/Max with shaders at medium and motion blur off with no AA and maybe no AF, the game runs crap, it runs choppy, really choppy, plus it stutters. UNPLAYABLE

Age of Empires III Warchiefs Demo, mouse cursor lag/stutter issue especially over trees unless I keep dragging the mouse over the same areas constantly.
Then it becomes ok only at that exact place, if I go to a previous place again or move villagers the game again becomes unplayable as it gives that stutter. This issue comes atleast to a certain extent if I use the FRAPS record video key but then the game anyways becomes really choppy. UNPLAYABLE

Company of Heroes Demo, runs fine at 800x600 lowest. Runs with lag/stutter at 12x10/9 MAX no AA.

SS2 demo, Runs scarely playable, with frequent stutters and performance issues at 12x10/9 MAX no AA.


I have tried VSync in many games, it gives a performance hit to FPS, causes motion of the game to be uneven(, fast for a second and then slow motion), doesn't remove image tearing fully and sometimes causes stutters which weren't previously there.

I have removed the sound card which made things better atleast in MW.

What I don't understand is that why do some games like Carbon and CoH run fine at lowest settings but with High settings run real crap. Is my CPU being a Winchester and not Venice making so much of a difference as I don't have SSE3? My CPU is tried at 2 and 2.4GHz mainly, is it still that much of a bottleneck?

I tried a 6600GT and the problems were still the same, either there on both or on none. Soon I will try a different motherboard maybe with different 2 X 512mb RAM with all other things being the same maybe except the HDD(if I can try another one). And I recall right I was having issues even before upgrading which I may have neglected blaming to the 6600GT.

What do you guys think?
 

apoppin

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Originally posted by: akshayt

What do you guys think?

we think you should go away ;)

same problems and same inability to comprehend and follow directions

you still don't get it :p
sell your crap xtx and get an xbox360 :|

:thumbsdown:
 

40sTheme

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Originally posted by: akshayt
THE PROBLEMS (CURRENTLY IN DETAIL)

Little/Medium Problem Games:

UT04 Full:
Runs fine at 12x10 MAX no AA no AF in most Deathmatch maps where I don't use too many CPU bots(the lower the better plus map dependent).
Runs fine at/ok at 12x10 6x AA 16x HQ AF, but I don't think it runs as good as it does without AA and AF.
Runs ok with 6x AAA 16x HQ AF but I think it might be receiving some performance as well as FPS hit.


HL2
12x10 MAX AA AF(6x and 16x I think), runs fine, played very very little, no shooting at all, but that was fine.

GRAW
12x9 High no AA 16x HQ AF, runs acceptably, not many major issues, but not exactly perfect.

CoD2
12x10 MAX 4x AA 16x HQ AF, mostly runs decent(not perfect), some maps(the first one) seems to run a little crap when FPS dip relatively lower like mid 30s and lower 40s.

GTA San Andreas 12x10 6x AA 16x HQ AF, runs playable although definitely not perfect, plus texture loading issues when I walk while looking at the ground.

Doom3/Quake 4/Prey, runs playable at 12x10 MAX 4x AA, however they don't really seem to run that great. Quake 4 demo at 12x10 High 4x AA used to run a lot lot better than full Quake 4 at 12x10 UHigh. With these games I do get frequent performance issues, after interval of dozens of seconds maybe.

Chaos Theory demo, 12x10 MAX 4x AA, mostly runs fine, but not the best possible performance.

Hitman Blood Money demo, 12x10 MAX 4x AA, at best runs playable. Doesn't run too great and there is a lot lot more that I desire from it, which would actually make it a much better experience. Runs better without soft shadows and AA, however a 1900xtx doesn't need to loose them for the extra performance as my FPS are pretty good even without switching them off.

Fear Extraction Point demo, 12x9 MAX no AA, runs decently with the issues expected from ATi cards, not many hiccups here. With 4x AA the game become unplayable in certain areas but that is what a 1900xtx can anyway give according to benchies.

Battlefield 2 demo, 12x10 MAX, doesn't run that good.

Battlefield 2142 demo online, runs ok at 12x10 4x AA on a 200-250Kbps internet connection.

Most Wanted 12x10 4x AA, runs playable but not great. In some areas I may be still getting the tree/building or even road stuttering plus the game runs slightly choppy(not unplayable), I think a 1900xtx should do much more than this.



HUGE PROBLEMS

Fear full, 12x9 MAX 4x AA, 16x AF, the first map was ok for ATI cards overall, the beginning of the second map was also fine. But when I used cheats to skip to higher levels, mostly the game runs like crap and very often the FPS are very bad as well even without anybody in the vicinity. This game almost kind of runs unplayable.

NFS Carbon demo, runs ok at 800x600 lowest settings with occasional hiccups which shouldn't be there at these settings. With 10x7 High/Max with shaders at medium and motion blur off with no AA and maybe no AF, the game runs crap, it runs choppy, really choppy, plus it stutters. UNPLAYABLE

Age of Empires III Warchiefs Demo, mouse cursor lag/stutter issue especially over trees unless I keep dragging the mouse over the same areas constantly.
Then it becomes ok only at that exact place, if I go to a previous place again or move villagers the game again becomes unplayable as it gives that stutter. This issue comes atleast to a certain extent if I use the FRAPS record video key but then the game anyways becomes really choppy. UNPLAYABLE

Company of Heroes Demo, runs fine at 800x600 lowest. Runs with lag/stutter at 12x10/9 MAX no AA.

SS2 demo, Runs scarely playable, with frequent stutters and performance issues at 12x10/9 MAX no AA.


I have tried VSync in many games, it gives a performance hit to FPS, causes motion of the game to be uneven(, fast for a second and then slow motion), doesn't remove image tearing fully and sometimes causes stutters which weren't previously there.

I have removed the sound card which made things better atleast in MW.

What I don't understand is that why do some games like Carbon and CoH run fine at lowest settings but with High settings run real crap. Is my CPU being a Winchester and not Venice making so much of a difference as I don't have SSE3? My CPU is tried at 2 and 2.4GHz mainly, is it still that much of a bottleneck?

I tried a 6600GT and the problems were still the same, either there on both or on none. Soon I will try a different motherboard maybe with different 2 X 512mb RAM with all other things being the same maybe except the HDD(if I can try another one). And I recall right I was having issues even before upgrading which I may have neglected blaming to the 6600GT.

What do you guys think?

I think you need to get over it and turn the AA down. If you can't handle some jaggie edges, give me your X1900 and i'lll give you my X600 and you can compare the differences.
THE REASON IT GETS SLOWER IS THE FACT THAT AA GIVES A PERFORMANCE HIT.
If you complain about 4xAA and 6xAA performance, that's a no brainer. Also, I would LOVE to play CoD 2 on Max in the 30-40 fps range. Turn the graphics down a little; the XTX can't run everything. You're complaining about FPS that many people would gladly enjoy at maximum detail w/AA & AF. I will help you, but only because I fell sorry for your broken logic. Find a happy medium in games. Turn off some details that are unimportant to you. For example, I completely cull out grass in the console while playing Oblivion because I hate it's grass and I run it like crap anyways. This gives a performance gain without me caring.
 

Matt2

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His rig still shouldnt be running like he's describing. I run those same games at 1680x1050 with max settings and 4x/16x AA/HQAF and I have no problems whatsoever besides GRAW making my XTX shat its cooler.
 

Stumps

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Originally posted by: Matt2
His rig still shouldnt be running like he's describing. I run those same games at 1680x1050 with max settings and 4x/16x AA/HQAF and I have no problems whatsoever besides GRAW making my XTX shat its cooler.

I'm willing to bet that it's more of a user problem rather than his hardware.
 

Ika

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Originally posted by: Captante
This thread keeps coming back like a bad rash! :p

More like itching powder... on an unsuspecting victim. With you as the sneaky onlooker.
 

R Nilla

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seriously, this needs to end. akshayt needs to be thrown into the gates of oblivion to never be heard from again (at least not regarding this nonsense). there have been FAR too many pages in response to this subject, which has been posted by him at least twice now. enough already.:thumbsdown:
 

mazeroth

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No way I'm reading through this whole thread but have you tried going into device manager and disabling your sound card? Then try playing the games. For some reason it sounds like a conflict with your sound card.
 

Stumps

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Originally posted by: mazeroth
No way I'm reading through this whole thread but have you tried going into device manager and disabling your sound card? Then try playing the games. For some reason it sounds like a conflict with your sound card.

been there and tried to explain that one to him/ it /thing...he doesn't listen because he is full of crap.
 

Maximilian

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Remove the jam/peanut butter from the cpu and replace it with arctic silver 5. It wont throttle then and your lag problem will dissapear!
 

Stumps

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Originally posted by: Soviet
Remove the jam/peanut butter from the cpu and replace it with arctic silver 5. It wont throttle then and your lag problem will dissapear!

Akshayt is Indian...so it is curry paste or tandoori paste that is covering his CPU.....oh wait no wonder it is overheating.....curry!
 

gsellis

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Originally posted by: Stumps
Originally posted by: mazeroth
No way I'm reading through this whole thread but have you tried going into device manager and disabling your sound card? Then try playing the games. For some reason it sounds like a conflict with your sound card.

been there and tried to explain that one to him/ it /thing...he doesn't listen because he is full of crap.
Considering that he has one of the worst Creatives and probably cranks audio to match his video...

OP, get a Audigy 2/4, install it, reread and do what stumps says in this last page. The charity has ended. Do or do not, but quit trying as you seem to suck at it.

 

Centurin

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Please let this thread die. It was quite hilarious for a while, but its getting rather old. Stop helping the OP. For all the peeps who haven't actually read this whole thread, if you want to do something good, buy akshayt a 360 for Christmas with Gears of War.
 

akshayt

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I no longer use the creative sound card, I use onboard sound with sound quality at low if possible.
 

Maximilian

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Originally posted by: Stumps
Originally posted by: Soviet
Remove the jam/peanut butter from the cpu and replace it with arctic silver 5. It wont throttle then and your lag problem will dissapear!

Akshayt is Indian...so it is curry paste or tandoori paste that is covering his CPU.....oh wait no wonder it is overheating.....curry!

Haha, poor lil fellar e just a boi.

Originally posted by: hardwareking
dude.Please check ur PM inbox.I have something sent that u might find useful.

You sent him killdisk? Nice one dude :thumbsup: Thatll solve all problems.
 

akshayt

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read that long ago, will reply very soon, I don't think my problem is even related, though I may talk to someone about it.
 

evolucion8

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Originally posted by: Soviet
Remove the jam/peanut butter from the cpu and replace it with arctic silver 5. It wont throttle then and your lag problem will dissapear!

LMAO!!!!