Yea, AMD falls even further behind in performance per watt (and pretty much every other metric as well). Bring on the obligatory "power consumption doesnt matter" from the AMD camp.
The only reason "power consumption doesn't matter" exists is because people use it to justify their argument any time that is the main metric their new beloved product wins out. I've seen it go both ways and its been annoying for the last 4+ years. Any one on this forum who buys an OC factory clocked video card or overclocks anything in their PC obviously doesn't care that much about perf per watt except as a way to justify a product based on the fact it will let you overlock it to eek out more perfomance or run your games well while staying quiet and cool.
If you care about perf/watt so much you'd never overlock your PC and you'd damn well have led light bulbs in every fixture in your house because you'll save far more in energy costs there than worrying about power draw from your PC components.
Not really about energy costs, but HW owners care more about heat and noise. GPUs with higher power draw require beefier cooling solutions that become more difficult to keep quiet the faster the fans spin.The only reason "power consumption doesn't matter" exists is because people use it to justify their argument any time that is the main metric their new beloved product wins out. I've seen it go both ways and its been annoying for the last 4+ years. Any one on this forum who buys an OC factory clocked video card or overclocks anything in their PC obviously doesn't care that much about perf per watt except as a way to justify a product based on the fact it will let you overlock it to eek out more perfomance or run your games well while staying quiet and cool.
If you care about perf/watt so much you'd never overlock your PC and you'd damn well have led light bulbs in every fixture in your house because you'll save far more in energy costs there than worrying about power draw from your PC components.
Where are you getting this absurd 35% increase? It's on pair with the GTX 1070, it beats it in some games(Vulkan titles, as Pascal was crap at Vulkan), but losses in others. Yeah it's essentially matching the 1080 in Wolfenstein 2 and beating the 1070ti in rainbow seige, but it also loses to the 1070 in GTA 5, Witcher 3, etc....At about 35% faster than a gtx1060 6gb/rx580 the 1660ti is a good upgrade for........
Gtx1060 3gb owners 45% faster.
Rx570 43% faster
R9 290 owners 45% faster
Gtx970 owners 42% faster
Gtx 780ti owners 45% faster
Gtx780 owners 65% faster
7970,7950,rx280,rx285 owners 85% faster
Gtx680,670,760,770 owners 95% faster.
Gtx960 4gb, gtx1050, 1050ti, gtx950 owners 100% to 120% faster.
That's 18 cards to upgrade from .
I think that you might be surprised.No one with a 1050 will upgrade to a 1660ti, no one. Its out of their price range and the performance difference is big, but not that big for that segment of buyers. It would have to be SAME performance as the 1660ti is now, but at $180 or less. This market segment doesn't magically have $100 more to buy this and 75% to 90% performance improvement for 2 years is also not enough in this range.
Maybe I won't get the EVGA XC card, it's 2.5 slot width, and lack of 0db fan-stop modes, seem to indicate that that card might not be the wisest purchase. My RX 570 cards have the fan-stop feature, when they're below 55C.As one of the cards lower down the RTX 20 and now GTX 16 series stack, the GTX 1660 Ti XC Black also lacks LEDs and zero-dB fan capability, where fans turn off completely at low idle temperatures.
1660ti is about 35% faster than a RX 570. Again depending on what game you look at, it could be up to 45% faster on something like GTA 5 or only 25% faster on a game like Modern Warfare or Resident Evil 5.I think that you might be surprised.
What is your opinion on my possible purchase, of 1-2 of these cards, to replace RX 570 4GB and 8GB cards? Foolishness, or money well spent?
Edit: And what's the over/under on two-fan models versus one fan? Do these cards really "need" two fans? (Like, my 7950 800Mhz core cards, from HIS, had a single side fan in the center, and that was hardly enough cooling, to run two of those cards in one rig, Folding or whatnot.) I made a big mistake back then, buying a single-fan card, I don't want to make that mistake again. Then again, my two GTX 1060 3GB cards, each have one fan, and they don't seem to have too much in the way of thermal problems.
Where's the cut-off point, for needing two fans versus one fan? Would that EVGA XC card with one fan be an acceptable purchase, at $279? Or should I pony up $309 for a dual-fan? Also, how is Gigabyte for card quality? I heard "some things" about them, not all positive.
No one with a 1050 will upgrade to a 1660ti, no one. Its out of their price range and the performance difference is big, but not that big for that segment of buyers. It would have to be SAME performance as the 1660ti is now, but at $180 or less. This market segment doesn't magically have $100 more to buy this and 75% to 90% performance improvement for 2 years is also not enough in this range.
What does a 35% average faster performance translate to in FPS in games? Well its a wide ranging number, but on average it would be something like 30fps difference. If the RX 570 is running Division 1 at 50fps, 1660ti is going to run it at around 80fps or so.
Where are you getting this absurd 35% increase? It's on pair with the GTX 1070, it beats it in some games(Vulkan titles, as Pascal was crap at Vulkan), but losses in others. Yeah it's essentially matching the 1080 in Wolfenstein 2 and beating the 1070ti in rainbow seige, but it also loses to the 1070 in GTA 5, Witcher 3, etc....
Again all of the benches show the 1070 about 25% faster than the 1060 6GB, since the 1660ti is essentially equal to the 1070 overall across most games, its 25% faster than the 1060 as well.
Also the 1060 3GB is not 10% slower than the 1060 6GB, its more like 5-6% slower on average, in some games the difference is as little as 2%. According to hardware unboxed who test usually 30+ games the different between the 3GB and 6GB 1060 is about 5%.
About being a good upgrade for a 1050/ti is also absurd. Why would anyone buy such a card just 2 years ago or so, probably at about $170, only to spend $280 1 or 2 years later? If they had the money back then or better sense, they would have went for the RX 470/570 or just gotten a GTX 1060 3 or 6GB.
No one with a 1050 will upgrade to a 1660ti, no one. Its out of their price range and the performance difference is big, but not that big for that segment of buyers. It would have to be SAME performance as the 1660ti is now, but at $180 or less. This market segment doesn't magically have $100 more to buy this and 75% to 90% performance improvement for 2 years is also not enough in this range.
It doesn't have the same die size as the chip it replaces (GP106) though.
It's about 35% faster than the 1060, but also 42% bigger.
The closest die size wise is the GP104 at 314 (10% bigger than TU116), but that die is about 20% faster (as seen with the 1080).
In other words Turing is an ok improvement with regards to efficiency (roughly 33% better than GP106 and 15% better than GP104), but with regards to perf/mm2 it is at best a wash, and at worst a regression (unless of course the TU116 as seen in 1660 Ti is not fully enabled).
Where are you getting this absurd 35% increase? It's on pair with the GTX 1070, it beats it in some games(Vulkan titles, as Pascal was crap at Vulkan), but losses in others. Yeah it's essentially matching the 1080 in Wolfenstein 2 and beating the 1070ti in rainbow seige, but it also loses to the 1070 in GTA 5, Witcher 3, etc....
You wouldn't want to do that.
It looks like half the community answered you ,so I'll just agree with them.Where are you getting this absurd 35% increase? It's on pair with the GTX 1070, it beats it in some games(Vulkan titles, as Pascal was crap at Vulkan), but losses in others. Yeah it's essentially matching the 1080 in Wolfenstein 2 and beating the 1070ti in rainbow seige, but it also loses to the 1070 in GTA 5, Witcher 3, etc....
Again all of the benches show the 1070 about 25% faster than the 1060 6GB, since the 1660ti is essentially equal to the 1070 overall across most games, its 25% faster than the 1060 as well.
Also the 1060 3GB is not 10% slower than the 1060 6GB, its more like 5-6% slower on average, in some games the difference is as little as 2%. According to hardware unboxed who test usually 30+ games the different between the 3GB and 6GB 1060 is about 5%.
About being a good upgrade for a 1050/ti is also absurd. Why would anyone buy such a card just 2 years ago or so, probably at about $170, only to spend $280 1 or 2 years later? If they had the money back then or better sense, they would have went for the RX 470/570 or just gotten a GTX 1060 3 or 6GB.
No one with a 1050 will upgrade to a 1660ti, no one. Its out of their price range and the performance difference is big, but not that big for that segment of buyers. It would have to be SAME performance as the 1660ti is now, but at $180 or less. This market segment doesn't magically have $100 more to buy this and 75% to 90% performance improvement for 2 years is also not enough in this range.
@antihelten wasn't spinning anything - in terms of die size and transistor count TU116 is equivalent to GP104. If that's all there is to TU116 then perf/mm2 and power efficiency aren't actually higher than Pascal, but I personally don't believe that to be true as I'm reasonably convinced there's a 256bit product to be had from TU116 (or at least a stronger 192bit one).Turing sans RTX is a great improvement over Pascal no matter how you try to spin it. Compared again to Vega VII's jump over Vega 64, which had an entire node increase to use for efficiency improvements, TU116 it actually did a better job at improving efficiency over GP106, which was already an extremely efficient design.
With 4k (TVs only, not monitors), Nvidia cards default to RGB limited. Easily solvable by going to the NV CP resolution tab and selecting Nvidia colors/RGB Full.Well, as long as they are going to detect my 4K UHD 40" Avera TV properly, and not downgrade the colors, like my GTX 1050 3GB and GTX 1060 3GB cards do. That's one (very important!) reason that I've stuck with my RX 570 cards on these rigs for so long. (The other has been a lack of value propositions for new cards in the market. Well, until now.)
I'm sorry to break it to you, but that is utter garbage!
I'm sorry to break it to you, but that is utter garbage!
1. Your numbers are way off, you didn't even copy-paste it right, techpowerup shows the 1660ti 29% faster over the GTX 1060 6GB.
2. Techpowerup tested the 1060 6GB with a completely different setup, they used 6700k, different mobo, different memory and used the FE edition of the 1060 6GB. There is no comparison between the two tests.
3. Same thing with techspot, used different setups when testing the two cards, so the direct comparisons are not comparable.
Do they rebench all these cards when making new reviews? I don't think so, benching even 1 card at such short time periods is challenging enough, benching 10 cards is impossible.
I'm sorry to break it to you, but that is utter garbage!
1. Your numbers are way off, you didn't even copy-paste it right, techpowerup shows the 1660ti 29% faster over the GTX 1060 6GB.
2. Techpowerup tested the 1060 6GB with a completely different setup, they used 6700k, different mobo, different memory and used the FE edition of the 1060 6GB. There is no comparison between the two tests.
3. Same thing with techspot, used different setups when testing the two cards, so the direct comparisons are not comparable.
Do they rebench all these cards when making new reviews? I don't think so, benching even 1 card at such short time periods is challenging enough, benching 10 cards is impossible.
We can argue all day about the price/perf ratio and if this is technically a good card at 1080p resolution, but the end result is that most of us are more than a bit disappointed. What we really wanted was a card that could do 4k at reasonable rates at a reasonable price and we did not get anything resembling that.