14 year old Pakistani peace activist shot by Taliban

[Atreus21]

Would you like some straw with that, straw man?



Sure, just as soon as you can explain how you know this is real.

How the hell do you expect us to believe you're real?

 

[PokerGuy]

About 50 posts on the forum and already trained in the fine arts of trolling... WWYBYWB Juror?

 

[Juror No. 8]

How the hell do you expect us to believe you're real?

It sounds to me like you have a difficult time determining fiction from reality.

Since that is the case, what makes you think the news story in the OP is real and that it happened just as the propaganda spreaders in the corporate media claim it happened?

 

[Texashiker]

One form of barbarism is ok but the other is not, I guess the only difference is what side you are on.

Christians have a great deal of blood on their hands. But, most of the christian crimes were committed hundreds of years ago.

What we are seeing is not only a clash of cultures, but also a clash of evolution. Not evolution in a physical form, but evolution of culture.

At one time didn't Christians put people to death for saying the earth of not the center of the universe? But as society and science progressed, that kind of mindset fell to the wayside. We now accept that the earth is just one small part of the universe.

The question is, will radical islam prevail and the evolution of middle eastern society come to a stop?

If the evolution of middle eastern society stops, we will continue to see this kind of violence as the rest of the world progresses.

 

[Juror No. 8]

"Unless you think as I think and argue as I argue, you are a troll!"

LOL.

 

[ivwshane]

Christians have a great deal of blood on their hands. But, most of the christian crimes were committed hundreds of years ago.

What we are seeing is not only a clash of cultures, but also a clash of evolution. Not evolution in a physical form, but evolution of culture.

At one time didn't Christians put people to death for saying the earth of not the center of the universe? But as society and science progressed, that kind of mindset fell to the wayside. We now accept that the earth is just one small part of the universe.

The question is, will radical islam fall to the wayside and the evolution of middle eastern society come to a stop?

If the evolution of middle eastern society stops, we will continue to see this kind of violence as the rest of the world progresses.

You pointed to history to make a point, why not look to history to answer the question?

It would seem that most religions come to a peaceful conclusion at some point. So the question then becomes, when will this happen and is there a way to speed it up to get to that point?

 

[Texashiker]

It would seem that most religions come to a peaceful conclusion at some point. So the question then becomes, when will this happen and is there a way to speed it up to get to that point?

Part of that "peaceful conclusion" is respect for the law, and respect for fellow man.

Freeing the slaves and civil rights laws were to stepping stones to making blacks and whites equal. Enforcing those laws told people that certain behavior would not be tolerated.

Followers of sharia law do not recognize man made laws.

How is a society supposed to evolve, when the people are stuck on laws from the stone age?

 

[EagleKeeper]

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Sure, just as soon as you can explain how you know this is real.

Some here on this forum have had first hand experience with that part of the world.

Much more accurate than relying on a keyboard warriors opinion.

 

[dank69]

Would you like some straw with that, straw man?

...

How do you determine what is truth and what is lies?

 

[EagleKeeper]

LOL. You must be one of those mindless propaganda sponges who believes everything he sees on TV and then gets angry when other people question his dogma.

Look, shit for brains, just because it's on TV or in the media doesn't mean it's real.

And where do you think the media gets there information from.

It may not be fully accurate due to time contstraints, but there was something that triggered the story.

 

[ivwshane]

Part of that "peaceful conclusion" is respect for the law, and respect for fellow man.

Freeing the slaves and civil rights laws were to stepping stones to making blacks and whites equal. Enforcing those laws told people that certain behavior would not be tolerated.

Followers of sharia law do not recognize man made laws.

How is a society supposed to evolve, when the people are stuck on laws from the stone age?

So the mass casualties caused by crusades or in the name of religion stopped because they started respecting the law?

Well if that's the case then at some point before that they didn't respect the law or man and yet it came to a peaceful conclusion.

Your first post gave me hope that someone gets it and understands the process and the real issues but your second post indicates you do not and are of the mentality that previous violent religions stopped being violent because they became moral people but Muslims are not capable of reaching that same conclusion. What you base that on I have no idea, especially considering past religions have done the same atrocities.

 

[Texashiker]

So the mass casualties caused by crusades or in the name of religion stopped because they started respecting the law?

No, the crusaders had more pressing issues at home, and the people got bored of the war.

Both are issues that we are facing as well. We can no longer financially support the conflict in the middle east, and the support at home is withering.

Muslims are not capable of reaching that same conclusion

Its not that muslims in general are incapable, its the strict followers of islam and sharia law that are incapable.

 

[Juror No. 8]

Some here on this forum have had first hand experience with that part of the world.

Much more accurate than relying on a keyboard warriors opinion.

Interesting logic. So because you were in a certain part of the world once, that must mean you can figure out anything that happens after you leave?

Hmmm... I've been to Berlin three times. Maybe the Berlin police department will pay me to help them solve some of their many unsolved crimes. When they ask me how I know who the real killer in a murder case is I can say, "I have first hand experience in that part of the world!".

LOL. Hilarious stuff!

 

[Juror No. 8]

How do you determine what is truth and what is lies?

How do you?

 

[Atreus21]

How do you determine what is truth and what is lies?

abovetopsecret.com dude. I mean hello?

 

[Juror No. 8]

And where do you think the media gets there information from.

It may not be fully accurate due to time contstraints, but there was something that triggered the story.

Sometimes it's just completely made-up nonsense:

Nayirah Testimony

refers to the controversial testimony given before the non-governmental Congressional Human Rights Caucus on October 10, 1990, by a female who provided only her first name, Nayirah. In her emotional testimony, Nayirah stated that after the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait she had witnessed Iraqi soldiers take babies out of incubators in a Kuwaiti hospital, take the incubators, and leave the babies to die. Though reporters did not then have access to Kuwait, her testimony was regarded as credible at the time and was widely publicized. It was cited numerous times by United States senators and the president in their rationale to back Kuwait in the Gulf War.
Her story was initially corroborated by Amnesty International[1] and testimony from evacuees. Following the liberation of Kuwait, reporters were given access to the country and found the story of stolen incubators unsubstantiated. However, they did find that a number of people, including babies, died when nurses and doctors fled the country.
In 1992, it was revealed that Nayirah's last name was al-&#7778;aba&#7717; (Arabic: &#1606;&#1610;&#1585;&#1607; &#1575;&#1604;&#1589;&#1576;&#1575;&#1581;&#8206😉 and that she was the daughter of Saud bin Nasir Al-Sabah, the Kuwaiti ambassador to the United States. Furthermore, it was revealed that her testimony was organized as part of the Citizens for a Free Kuwait public relations campaign which was run by Hill & Knowlton for the Kuwaiti government. Following this, al-Sabah's testimony has largely come to be regarded as wartime propaganda.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nayirah_(testimony)

 

[ivwshane]

No, the crusaders had more pressing issues at home, and the people got bored of the war.

Both are issues that we are facing as well. We can no longer financially support the conflict in the middle east, and the support at home is withering.




Its not that muslims in general are incapable, its the strict followers of islam and sharia law that are incapable.

So you dismiss the atrocities that has occurred by their strict followers but strict followers of Islam don't get the same pass or chance to "become bored"?

I'm sorry but at some point in various religions past there were people who were strict followers of their religion and who were also incapable of being peaceful.

 

[Vdubchaos]

Only one victim of religion today?

Things are looking up each and every day.

😎

 

[Texashiker]

So you dismiss the atrocities that has occurred by their strict followers but strict followers of Islam don't get the same pass or chance to "become bored"?

I'm sorry but at some point in various religions past there were people who were strict followers of their religion and who were also incapable of being peaceful.

I am not following you?

Christianity is a peaceful religion, at least its "supposed" to be peaceful. Nowhere did Jesus tell his followers to kill everyone who opposes his teachings.

Islam on the other hand, is a religion of violence.

 

[ivwshane]

Sometimes it's just completely made-up nonsense:



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nayirah_(testimony)

Oh shit where did you get that information on that was REPORTED on!?

It's crazy to think that the media runs with a story and does further digging to confirm or deny a story and then reports on it...wait I mean they don't follow up or report on their follow up, instead the truth is found by the underground truth network called Wikipedia!


You guys I think juror no8 is onto something!



Oops! My bad, I meant; I think juror no 8 is ON something.

 

[ivwshane]

I am not following you?

Christianity is a peaceful religion, at least its "supposed" to be peaceful. Nowhere did Jesus tell his followers to kill everyone who opposes his teachings.

Islam on the other hand, is a religion of violence.

You've been brainwashed. You say Christianity is supposed to be peaceful but ignore its violent past (hell some might say violent present) and then you repeat the talking point that Islam isn't a peaceful religion.

 

[Texashiker]

You've been brainwashed. You say Christianity is supposed to be peaceful but ignore its violent past (hell some might say violent present) and then you repeat the talking point that Islam isn't a peaceful religion.

???

I have already posted that Christianity has blood on its hands. Post #29 of this thread to be exact.

Christianity has evolved from its violent past. After all, its the muslims in Iran that are hanging gays, and not christians.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Yeah, and I'm the Pope. Frankly, I don't care who you think you are or who you claim to be.

Pounding on your chest like an ape doesn't impress me.

Son, what you think doesn't matter, everyone here knows who i am.

Over the years people have asked mods about my IP, rechecked several things about me, i've posted pictures of my left upper arm, i've reported about things yet to come when they were happening....

I don't want to impress a 13 year old boy, if i did, i'd say that i'm just like Mitt and if you believe in me you can have magical underwear.......

YAAAAAYYYYY!!!

 

[Jaskalas]

I'm sure some idiot will be along shortly to compare their barbaric behavior to something Christians do in the US to show us that we are just as barbaric.

Those people are in the dark ages and nothing the US can do will really make a difference until they evolve.

Energy independence, then tell them to go !@#$ off.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

???

I have already posted that Christianity has blood on its hands. Post #29 of this thread to be exact.

Christianity has evolved from its violent past. After all, its the muslims in Iran that are hanging gays, and not christians.

Only in places where civility has forced the rabid fundies to hold back or be imprisoned.

Make no mistake, in nations like Kenya Christians are the BIGGEST problem and the WORST of all.

Much the same locally all over Africa, the ME and especially the US.

Imagine if they got to have anything real to say about things... Imagine these fuckers armed...

Yeah... these are people who actually believe that if they kill enough people god will reward them living in a society where they are deemed sane because of religion and can thus hoard as much firearms as they wish...

Sooner or later these fuckers will do something.