14-year-old executed convict exonerated posthumously

[Jaskalas]

Sure, we don't know it for certain, but I think we can agree that putting a child to death on the basis of a few cops saying he confessed to something with no evidence of any confession is pretty horrible.

Again, we're viewing the horrific nature of every day life back then. What we find abhorrent today was standard fare for those who saw a black teen and presumed him guilty.

It should be the hope of all Americans that such things do not occur today. That we have refined our capacity to deliver due process and equal rights to all. For not so very long ago those things were very far from realized.

70 years ago, a black teen had no rights.
70 years before that, we were still committing genocide on the natives, and amongst each other.
70 years before that, we started a war with Canada / Great Brittan.
70 years before that, there was no United States, no Constitution, and certainly no Bill of Rights.

 

[Linux23]

1944? There are probably thousands of cases like this.

fixed for ya.

 

[Bitek]

The 'bible used as a booster seat' is the worst.

Too horrible to think about..*shivers*

 

[Rakehellion]

Again, we're viewing the horrific nature of every day life back then. What we find abhorrent today was standard fare for those who saw a black teen and presumed him guilty.

It should be the hope of all Americans that such things do not occur today. That we have refined our capacity to deliver due process and equal rights to all. For not so very long ago those things were very far from realized.

70 years ago, a black teen had no rights.
70 years before that, we were still committing genocide on the natives, and amongst each other.
70 years before that, we started a war with Canada / Great Brittan.
70 years before that, there was no United States, no Constitution, and certainly no Bill of Rights.

Just imagine what they'll be saying in 70 years.

 

[master_shake_]

Just imagine what they'll be saying in 70 years.

probably reminiscing about that time they used to have a country called murica.

 

[Zorkorist]

The system works. Eventually.

http://www.upworthy.com/in-1944-we-...-did-it-take-70-years-for-us-to-exonerate-him

It doesn't work. It's horrendous, and the atrocities go on today.

-John

 

[SlowSpyder]

funny the same standard doesn't seem to apply to assisted suicide

Not sure what you mean.

 

[HomerJS]

Hey what are you all bitching about. Black people get justice...




eventually.


My how times have changed!

 

[uclaLabrat]

This is my hang up on capital punishment. I'm not to sure that it is so much more important we kill the guilty as it is we make sure we don't execute the innocent.

And there it is. My take anyway. No legal system will ever be perfect, and executing even one innocent person is too many. I'm against the death penalty for that reason, not for any love lost on those guilty of capital crimes.

 

[tynopik]

Not sure what you mean.

Can't have capital punishment because there might be one innocent put to death.

therefore

Can't have assisted suicide because might be one unwilling person pushed into a decision or one ill person that needed treatment instead of death.

amirite?

 

[sandorski]

Can't have capital punishment because there might be one innocent put to death.

therefore

Can't have assisted suicide because might be one unwilling person pushed into a decision or one ill person that needed treatment instead of death.

amirite?

No

 

[Zorkorist]

He's pretty close to right.

Both show how Government over-extends itself.

In the one case, they kill too many people.
In the other case, they outlaw killing people.

-John

 

[tynopik]

No

feel free to expound on why it's ok to put innocents to death in one case but not the other

 

[sandorski]

feel free to expound on why it's ok to put innocents to death in one case but not the other

Show where Innocents are put to death with Assisted Suicide?

There is also a fundamental difference between the 2:
a) Executions are groups of people choosing to put to death an individual
b) Assisted Suicide is an Individual choosing to be put to death due to various reasons important to them

If a scenario occurs where people trick or unduly influence an Individual to cause the Individual to choose AS, they will have committed a Crime. No one commits a Crime when they choose to Execute.

 

[Zorkorist]

It's easy for one personality to get another person to "want to" commit suicide. Husband and Wife, Mother or Father, etc.

-John

 

[tynopik]

If a scenario occurs where people trick or unduly influence an Individual to cause the Individual to choose AS, they will have committed a Crime. No one commits a Crime when they choose to Execute.

So your justification is that if someone forces someone into AS, it's a crime, and therefore we can prosecute them AFTER THE FACT

sorry, that doesn't bring the person back

 

[Zorkorist]

It's also "easy" for Government to execute someone.

-John

 

[pcgeek11]

1944? There are probably hundreds of cases like this.

And they are probably all not black either.

 

[sandorski]

So your justification is that if someone forces someone into AS, it's a crime, and therefore we can prosecute them AFTER THE FACT

sorry, that doesn't bring the person back

So you would force people to suffer horribly until death?

 

[Zorkorist]

Pssst, sandorski,

Death sucks.

-John

 

[Zorkorist]

It's not Government's job to be anywhere near the life or death discussion.

-John

 

[tynopik]

So you would force people to suffer horribly until death?

If you're suffering horribly, the correct solution is to find a doctor that that doesn't suck at palliative care, not kill yourself

hint: if it's that bad, you can still kill yourself

but how do you balance suffering (and most AS cases aren't suffering) against innocent lives? If it saves 6 people 1 month of suffering each, does that justify killing someone else? If not, how much suffering would take?

 

[WelshBloke]

If you're suffering horribly, the correct solution is to find a doctor that that doesn't suck at palliative care, not kill yourself

And they will wave their magic doctors wand and make it all better?

hint: if it's that bad, you can still kill yourself

The whole point of assisted suicide is for people who can't do it themselves and to make sure that the procedure is as pain free and dignified as possible.

but how do you balance suffering (and most AS cases aren't suffering) against innocent lives? If it saves 6 people 1 month of suffering each, does that justify killing someone else? If not, how much suffering would take?

I'm slightly concerned that you seem to think that people who want the option of assisted suicide aren't innocent lives as well.

We have laws against killing people who don't want to be killed. I'm not sure how you think allowing assisted suicide is going to make a difference.

 

[sandorski]

oops double post

 

[sandorski]

If you're suffering horribly, the correct solution is to find a doctor that that doesn't suck at palliative care, not kill yourself

hint: if it's that bad, you can still kill yourself

but how do you balance suffering (and most AS cases aren't suffering) against innocent lives? If it saves 6 people 1 month of suffering each, does that justify killing someone else? If not, how much suffering would take?

So, your answer is Yes.