$13,000 made during year, $9k tax return..

[highland145]

And you know that this was her choice, how exactly?

You're right. All children on welfare are the results of forced rape. Lock up them babies daddies.

 

[jackstar7]

I wonder what leads someone to being in that situation.

That curiosity seems to be rare based on this thread.

 

[chucky2]

why would I do that?, I already pay taxes for a government that has programs to help the poor.

Yes, but the government produces overhead. I'm giving you the opportunity to gladly help people - directly - in need. Don't you want to help people in need in the most efficient way possible? What about this is worrying you?

I think the country would be very different than you think, if we all indivually could direct exactly where our tax dollars go.

Oh, I'm sure it wouldn't be different than I'd think. But, for sure, at least The People would have no one to blame but themselves.

Chuck

 

[Texashiker]

I wonder what leads someone to being in that situation.

Lack of ambition, lack of life goals,,,.

Some people are quit happy to live in filth, some people are happy to work as little as possible and let the government take care of them.

 

[nehalem256]

I wonder what leads someone to being in that situation.

That curiosity seems to be rare based on this thread.

Here is an example from NPR

http://www.npr.org/2012/07/11/155103593/to-beat-odds-poor-single-moms-need-wide-safety-net

Take the case of 29-year-old Jennifer Stepp, who lives in Reading, Pa. Like 14 million other people in the U.S. who live in families headed by single mothers, she's poor. And she faces incredible odds.

Stepp has three children by three different fathers. The father of her eldest child, 10-year-old Isaiah, is serving 30 years in federal prison for armed robbery.

"He's met my son one time, when he was a baby. And he decided that he didn't want him," she says.

Stepp's middle child, 8-year-old Shyanne, usually sees her father every other weekend. But the father of her younger son is also in prison. Stepp says he's been behind bars for selling cocaine since she was pregnant. He has never met 1-year-old Makai.

 

[lotus503]

Yes, but the government produces overhead. I'm giving you the opportunity to gladly help people - directly - in need. Don't you want to help people in need in the most efficient way possible? What about this is worrying you?



Oh, I'm sure it wouldn't be different than I'd think. But, for sure, at least The People would have no one to blame but themselves.

Chuck

Every charity produces overhead, and in addition to taxes I do donate to charity. What is it that you dont understand that as a substianal tax payer im good with the government programs? and feel they add value and benefit that woudldn't be found in the private not for profit sector?

If your pissed your money goes to feed the poor, I can counter with im pissed my money goes to buy depleted uranium.

For every thing your upset your tax money is used on I have things im upset my tax money is used on.

 

[Texashiker]

Here is an example from NPR

http://www.npr.org/2012/07/11/155103593/to-beat-odds-poor-single-moms-need-wide-safety-net

In other words, terrible life choices.

 

[nehalem256]

If your pissed your money goes to feed the poor, I can counter with im pissed my money goes to buy depleted uranium.

For every thing your upset your tax money is used on I have things im upset my tax money is used on.

There is no reason we cannot cut back on both. And in fact I would whole heartily support cutting back on both.

Why do you assume everyone who wants to cut money spent feeding the poor would not also want to cut the things you want to cut spending on?

 

[chucky2]

Every charity produces overhead, and in addition to taxes I do donate to charity. What is it that you dont understand that as a substianal tax payer im good with the government programs? and feel they add value and benefit that woudldn't be found in the private not for profit sector?

If your pissed your money goes to feed the poor, I can counter with im pissed my money goes to buy depleted uranium.

For every thing your upset your tax money is used on I have things im upset my tax money is used on.

Yes, but this thread is about people abusing/scamming the system, and by your own admittance, you're glad to help those people. I'm simply saying, I'm willing to let you directly help more people, getting them the most bang for your buck, and asking how much you're in for. I'm not understanding why you're not jumping at this chance???

I certainly think the military can be scaled back (and that's coming from someone who views the Fed as a necessary evil, who's one of few sole things it carries over the States is National Defense), but I'm also not happy in the least watching a system purposefully be setup and maintained to help voting leeches on society keep leeching. Something the Fed most certainly should not be involved with.

Now, how much can I tell each of these people you're in for? $50k in Fed tax dollars alone last year (and that'd be after deductions)? How about $2k per household? You trust me right?

 

[Svnla]

Here is an example from NPR

http://www.npr.org/2012/07/11/155103593/to-beat-odds-poor-single-moms-need-wide-safety-net

Goodness. Three? By three different guys? Really? 😡

 

[Mxylplyx]

It would seem we should lock them up after they CHOOSE to have a child they cannot feed.

Pretty simply. Its exactly the same way we deal with murderers.

But what if they CHOOSE to have an abortion after they carelessly get pregnant, which means they are in essence CHOOSING to not have a child they cannot feed?

Btw, you sound like a very deranged individual who would be an absolute tyrant if you were afforded any measure of power

 

[highland145]

Yes, but this thread is about people abusing/scamming the system,

Sorry, Chuck, it's the system that our politicians have set up. She's playing by the rules just like all those 1%ers "dodging" their taxes with loopholes.

 

[Charles Kozierok]

You're right. All children on welfare are the results of forced rape. Lock up them babies daddies.

Sarcasm isn't much of a substitute for a sensible reply.

A lot of children on welfare are a result of dads taking off and not fulfilling their financial obligations. Should the children be made to suffer for this?

 

[nehalem256]

But what if they CHOOSE to have an abortion after they carelessly get pregnant, which means they are in essence CHOOSING to not have a child they cannot feed?

Then it seems like they can easily CHOOSE not to have a child they cannot feed. Sounds like the problem is solved!!!!:awe:

 

[chucky2]

But what if they CHOOSE to have an abortion after they carelessly get pregnant, which means they are in essence CHOOSING to not have a child they cannot feed?

Btw, you sound like a very deranged individual who would be an absolute tyrant if you were afforded any measure of power

The problem really is, they got PG in the first place. What they need to do in these poor communities is just go scorched earth policy: Mandatory BC, or, society will let you and your kid starve in the street. Nice/"Nice" suggestions, policies, etc. clearly aren't working. There is no stick to the carrot and stick approach, it's simple carrot or honey glazed carrot, and we keep being astonished to find that people keep choosing honey glazed carrot option over being responsible and self-reliant.

Won't ever fix the problem (of leeches leeching on society) that way.

 

[chucky2]

Sorry, Chuck, it's the system that our politicians have set up. She's playing by the rules just like all those 1%ers "dodging" their taxes with loopholes.

Oh, I agree completely. It's entirely the same as our illegal invasion problem: The Politicians want it to continue, so, they setup the system so it's allowed to continue. I just think it's disgusting is all...

 

[nehalem256]

A lot of children on welfare are a result of dads taking off and not fulfilling their financial obligations.

I think you mean a lot of children on welfare are a result of women having kids
with men who have no commitment to her and no interest in having a child with her.

How many children on welfare are the result of the a husband skipping out on his wife. Marriage being the way the society(at least used to) determines that a man is taking financial responsibility for any future children.

Should the children be made to suffer for this?

If a woman CHOOSES to have a child out of wedlock she cannot feed who is at fault for that child's suffering?

 

[Mxylplyx]

The problem really is, they got PG in the first place. What they need to do in these poor communities is just go scorched earth policy: Mandatory BC, or, society will let you and your kid starve in the street. Nice/"Nice" suggestions, policies, etc. clearly aren't working. There is no stick to the carrot and stick approach, it's simple carrot or honey glazed carrot, and we keep being astonished to find that people keep choosing honey glazed carrot option over being responsible and self-reliant.

Won't ever fix the problem (of leeches leeching on society) that way.

I don't want to live in a country where an innocent child is allowed to starve in the street to teach it's parent(s) a lesson, and you should be ashamed for even suggesting it.

 

[highland145]

Sarcasm isn't much of a substitute for a sensible reply.

A lot of children on welfare are a result of dads taking off and not fulfilling their financial obligations. Should the children be made to suffer for this?

Sorry, I thought you were saying she didn't have a choice to have them, ie. forced.

No they shouldn't but the sensible thing to do is practice what the education system pushes....sex ed/free birth control. Most certainly after the 1st one. The cause is well known and prevention is available.

OFT would have to give more details on her particular situation.

 

[Mxylplyx]

If a woman CHOOSES to have a child out of wedlock she cannot feed who is at fault for that child's suffering?

So long as we know who to blame that child's suffering is OK, right?

You are a monster.

 

[Charles Kozierok]

Btw, you sound like a very deranged individual who would be an absolute tyrant if you were afforded any measure of power

If I'm not mistaken, he's in favor of forced abortions for teenaged girls who get pregnant. That's really all you need to know.

 

[crosshairs]

I paid almost 8k in Federal this year......and after doing some preliminary figuring, looks like I'm going to be sending in about 2K more....I really should just quit working and start gaming the system

 

[lotus503]

There is no reason we cannot cut back on both. And in fact I would whole heartily support cutting back on both.

Why do you assume everyone who wants to cut money spent feeding the poor would not also want to cut the things you want to cut spending on?

I dont assuem that, but since the majority of the harping tends to be on the welfare queen side, I have to assume its a more personal issue for them.

I think cutting both is a good idea too, however I want to know the impact prior. Im not for starving kids, no matter how stupid the parents are.

 

[Mxylplyx]

I paid almost 8k in Federal this year......and after doing some preliminary figuring, looks like I'm going to be sending in about 2K more....I really should just quit working and start gaming the system

I know, welfare queens got it made dont they?

 

[chucky2]

I don't want to live in a country where an innocent child is allowed to starve in the street to teach it's parent(s) a lesson, and you should be ashamed for even suggesting it.

It's not forced to starve of course. The loving community it's born into, along with the deep family structure, will of course take care of it. Plus, you have groups like the NAACP, La Raza, etc. who can blow their money taking care of their own people.

What's great is, the lesson of F'ing up can directly be taught to these kids by their own people and their own life experience, thereby maybe imparting some wisdom on themselves for when they get to breeding age. Or, we can keep doing the same system we have now, where we keep pumping out 3rd, 4th, 5th gen welfare kids and wondering about with Lefty blank confused stares, going, 'I just cannot fathom why our policies aren't working. Oh yes, I like apples...'.

People change when they're forced to change. What is forcing a 4th gen welfare single teenage mom to raise her kid properly so her kid isn't 5th gen? Let me provide you with the only true answer: Nothing.

Good job, keep supporting that Nothing results system...