12 days of nondescript winter celebration!

[drebo]

A judge is fully allowed to have 10 commandments in his office, it's once they are put in the front atrium of a court room that they're a state sponsorship of religion. You try and call it art, but just two weeks ago we had Republicans wanting to revoke any form of public funding from a museum because because an art exhibit had some anti-Christian art! Yet you and I'm sure many of those same Republicans think that pro-Christian "art" should be allowed displayed in places like public schools and courthouses! Hypocrisy much?

There are hypocrites and morons on both sides. That's not a new revelation.

 

[Dr. Zaus]

Hypocrisy much?

What was wrong with hypocrisy again?

 

[Thump553]

What both sides get wrong is that there are different levels of diversity.

Diversity of race, religion and sexuality are all okay, so long as we share a common culture. The minute the cultures in one country become diverse, the country fractures.

And we've been wtinessing that happen. The people who reject the mainstream cuture end up in poverty or worse, then blame everyone else for their problems.

You can have a lot of diversity, but we MUST share a common culture.

I guess America has been failing since before even the Revolution then. Our history is replete with entire regions of non-English speaking citizens with insular cultures and personally I had thought we did pretty damn good. I must be wrong though.

What worries me a lot more is the intrusion of religious leaders into political matters and the rather sizeable percentage of people that claim to be Christian (or Muslim, etc.) first, US citizen second. When a sizeable portion of our society doesn't identify themselves primarily as US citizens first then we are doomed.

 

[CPA]

What both sides get wrong is that there are different levels of diversity.

Diversity of race, religion and sexuality are all okay, so long as we share a common culture. The minute the cultures in one country become diverse, the country fractures.

And we've been wtinessing that happen. The people who reject the mainstream cuture end up in poverty or worse, then blame everyone else for their problems.

You can have a lot of diversity, but we MUST share a common culture.

borders, language and culture.

 

[PeshakJang]

Better than pissing off righties. History shows that righties murder people that disagree with them.

Yeah... goddamn right-wing Socialist Hitler and Communist Stalin.

 

[thraashman]

Yeah... goddamn right-wing Socialist Hitler and Communist Stalin.

Um ... Hitler was right wing. Stalin may have been leftist, but the Nazi party was far right.

 

[Amused]

Um ... Hitler was right wing. Stalin may have been leftist, but the Nazi party was far right.

Okay, Pol Pot, Stalin (and every other Soviet leader) and Mao (and every other Chinese leader).

Better?

How about Kim il?

Hell, how about the murdering bastard all you lefties wear on your T-Shirts, Che Guevara?

History shows that lefties mass-murder people that disagree with them.

 

[Amused]

I guess America has been failing since before even the Revolution then. Our history is replete with entire regions of non-English speaking citizens with insular cultures and personally I had thought we did pretty damn good. I must be wrong though.

What worries me a lot more is the intrusion of religious leaders into political matters and the rather sizeable percentage of people that claim to be Christian (or Muslim, etc.) first, US citizen second. When a sizeable portion of our society doesn't identify themselves primarily as US citizens first then we are doomed.

We had small pockets of first generation immigrants who spoke different languages, but by the second generation, they had started to fully assimilate.

Those who did not assimilate separated themselves from society (Amish is a good example).

The religious has ALWAYS, since the beginning, tried to intrude on government. Hell, the prohibition movement was led by the religious. The entire Victorian culture was influenced by religios views on modesty and "decency."

And yes, this is what I mean. Diversity of culture to the extreme point that people no longer have a common national culture and identity. Hell, a large portion of the Mexican immigrant population even calls for taking the South-West back to Mexico. The simple logic of why they came here is the first place fucking escapes them.

There was a time when people came here and wanted to be Americans. Now, many come here and for some unfathomable reason, wish to turn this country into the shitholes they came from and refuse to assimilate. And even those who have been here hundreds of years reject mainstream culture for self deprecating and self destructive culture that rejects any and all things that insure success.

 

[Steeplerot]

lol @ the skyfairy folk and their tears of fake outrage every year.

 

[thraashman]

Okay, Pol Pot, Stalin (and every other Soviet leader) and Mao (and every other Chinese leader).

Better?

How about Kim il?

Hell, how about the murdering bastard all you lefties wear on your T-Shirts, Che Guevara?

History shows that lefties mass-murder people that disagree with them.

First, I always complain about people who wear Che shirts because they don't seem to know what type of horrible human he was. Second, you may notice that the people you named weren't murdering people who disagree but were killing to control, not that the motivation makes it better but that it isn't out of disagreement. Third, if we're playing this game. George W Bush & Dick Cheney, Reagan administration, every middle eastern country, the shittiest parts of Africa, the KKK, every Muslim terrorist.

 

[CanOWorms]

I guess America has been failing since before even the Revolution then. Our history is replete with entire regions of non-English speaking citizens with insular cultures and personally I had thought we did pretty damn good. I must be wrong though.

What worries me a lot more is the intrusion of religious leaders into political matters and the rather sizeable percentage of people that claim to be Christian (or Muslim, etc.) first, US citizen second. When a sizeable portion of our society doesn't identify themselves primarily as US citizens first then we are doomed.

Not only religious intrusion is troubling. We have a huge percentage of our population with loyalty to the UK or various European countries even though their ancestors have been in this country for centuries. Why is this sort of regression happening? Why do they want the US to turn into some genocide-filled continent? It's like they are de-assimilating into American society and culture!

 

[Steeplerot]

Um ... Hitler was right wing. Stalin may have been leftist, but the Nazi party was far right.

If you for some odd reason followed Russian Revolutionary history you will find that Stalin and Lenin and Trotsky were the far right who strong-armed power in Russia also back then.

The Bolsheviks and Lenin hated the "Bourgeois Left" (the mensheviks- otherwise known as your garden variety lefty)

Remember, Hitler started in Munich, the bastion of right-wing militancy and Prussian nationalism.

Berlin at the time was way more liberal then San Francisco nowadays. And Hitler HATED it.


The scam of the century to subvert the most liberal country in the world into the nazi regime? Take the Munich National Socialist political parties name to sow confusion into his worst enemies: The German Luxembourgian Socialist types.

Socialist and Jew were one in the same to Hitler, and met the same fate.

Both dictatorships were far right shitholes, but each leader scammed a legit political party to force their way into power. Which is why you see these fake names such as: "National SOCIALIST" and "Peoples's Republics". When in reality both governments were pretty much the same shit, horrible dictatorial top down corrupt versions of state capitalism. (driven by a war economy mostly)

 

[CanOWorms]

It's interesting when people keep coming up with Hitler or Stalin or other generic leaders/regimes as evil, but the British Empire massacred many more people (probably a billion) yet they're not included. Churchill was a contemporary of Hitler and Stalin, too.

 

[Red Dawn]

It's interesting when people keep coming up with Hitler or Stalin or other generic leaders/regimes as evil, but the British Empire massacred many more people (probably a billion) yet they're not included. Churchill was a contemporary of Hitler and Stalin, too.

It's interesting you'd bring up the British..no wait it's not, it's predicatable though as that's all you post about.

 

[CanOWorms]

It's interesting you'd bring up the British..no wait it's not, it's predicatable though as that's all you post about.

Did you know that the British Empire inspired Hitler?

 

[Atreus21]

Better than pissing off righties. History shows that righties murder people that disagree with them.

Yeah. Stalin, Mao, and Pol Pot were all rabid right wingers.

Leftist philosophies have quite a nastier body count than righties.

 

[Steeplerot]

Yeah. Stalin, Mao, and Pol Pot were all rabid right wingers.

Leftist philosophies have quite a nastier body count than righties.

Or so says the WW2 era German propaganda you righties use for talk radio disinformation to redbait. Anyhow, if you are going to use such a silly reference then capitalism can have all of india, belgian congo, native americans, pogroms in eastern europe, hitlers death camps, south american genocide in 1980s, to utterly destroy your made up numbers about what are all right-wing regimes anyhow. By a factor of x40 easily with even the most extreme numbers righties use. Anyhow, back to reality, Stalinism based governments are not Socialist. But we could argue this all day about any genocide.

 

[Scotteq]

Or so says the WW2 era German propaganda you righties use for talk radio disinformation to redbait. Anyhow, if you are going to use such a silly reference then capitalism can have all of india, belgian congo, native americans, pogroms in eastern europe, hitlers death camps, south american genocide in 1980s, to utterly destroy your made up numbers about what are all right-wing regimes anyhow. By a factor of x40 easily with even the most extreme numbers righties use. Anyhow, back to reality, Stalinism based governments are not Socialist. But we could argue this all day about any genocide.

That's a pretty epic failure to discriminate the differences between Left\Right and Authoritarian\Libertarian.



Joe Stalin, Mao Zedong, and Pol Pot were all Far Left in Economic terms

If you want a Right Wing reactionary, refer to General Pinochet.

Economically, Hitler was a centrist compared to the guys I listed above.


ALL of these guys were off the wall crazy Authoritarians.

 

[Throckmorton]

Hell, how about the murdering bastard all you lefties wear on your T-Shirts, Che Guevara?

Murdering? I thought you right wingers supported the death penalty?

 

[Atreus21]

Or so says the WW2 era German propaganda you righties use for talk radio disinformation to redbait. Anyhow, if you are going to use such a silly reference then capitalism can have all of india, belgian congo, native americans, pogroms in eastern europe, hitlers death camps, south american genocide in 1980s, to utterly destroy your made up numbers about what are all right-wing regimes anyhow. By a factor of x40 easily with even the most extreme numbers righties use. Anyhow, back to reality, Stalinism based governments are not Socialist. But we could argue this all day about any genocide.

In other words, your only rebuttal is to claim that everything everyone except you knows is wrong. Typical communist stuff.

Mao Tse Tung. Great Leap Forward. 40 million dead, at least, in the attempt to collectivize the economy. But of course that's just propaganda. He wasn't a real socialist.

Joseph Stalin. 20 million dead, at least, in either labor camps, repression, or through famines brought about by collectivization. But he wasn't a real socialist either.

Capitalism is the true progressivism. Socialism and Communism are, at their foundation, an attempt to drag us back down to power and aristocracy of the nastiest among us. They are truly regressive.

Pathetic.

 

[Dr. Zaus]

British Empire massacred many more people (probably a billion) yet they're not included.

Holy living fuck tard!~

In other words, your only rebuttal is to claim that everything everyone except you knows is wrong. Typical communist stuff.

QFT

 

[Scotteq]

Murdering? I thought you right wingers supported the death penalty?

As opposed to Stalin, Mao, and Pol Pot, who murdered and enslaved untold millions because they "Thought" the wrong way?

 

[Throckmorton]

As opposed to Stalin, Mao, and Pol Pot, who murdered and enslaved untold millions because they "Thought" the wrong way?

No, as opposed to Che Guevara who didn't massacre anybody as far as I know.

 

[Scotteq]

No, as opposed to Che Guevara who didn't massacre anybody as far as I know.

http://cubaarchive.org/home/images/.../victims_of_che_guevara_in_cuba_9.30.2009.pdf

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/1732244/che_guevara_hero_or_mass_murderer.html?cat=37

Consider yourself a little bit more educated than you were when you woke up this morning, then.

 

[Throckmorton]

http://cubaarchive.org/home/images/stories/truth%20and%20memory/victims_of_che_guevara_in_cuba_9.30.2009.pdf

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/1732244/che_guevara_hero_or_mass_murderer.html?cat=37

Consider yourself a little bit more educated than you were when you woke up this morning, then.

Why were those people executed?

Edit: Just read the AP article. Apparently Che is a lot worse than a murderer