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It's been awhile since I booted into Windows 10 but I thought the AMD Ryzen master utility also reads out temperature information. There may be more details in the documentation on what the readouts are measuring.
 

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Oh yea, I forgot about that one! Lol, a very nice program, but doesn't give the mbrd & GPU info etc that HWiNFO does.
Anyway, Ryzen Master also shows only a single CPU temp reading.
 

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Looking at HWiFO64 on my main rig individual core temp's aren't listed, I've got CPU (tctl/Tdie), CPU Die (average) & CPU CCD1(Tdie) (whatever that is!).
I also looked at Core Temp & that only lists one CPU temp reading CPU #0.

So it seems their is only 1 core reading available, at least going by those 2 programs. That would explain all your CPU cores reading the same temp's, which would otherwise be impossible.
If you got that 47C on the CPU, then the cooler you got is far better than mine! :) (my fan's also at 100% btw).

Yeah so the days of each cpu having its own temp like Intel chips are over and its just the single reading? Oh the fan kicks on at 100% when the cpu hits 47cel but its loading upwards of 59cel currently with top end cpu usage hitting about 73%.

MSI AB does have the overall cpu usage and cpu temp OSD displays i guess i could stick to those and remove cpu0-24 from cluttering up MSI AB and its side monitor.
 
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So it is 47 without the Noctua? That is impressive, even with the clock speed cut in half. I only have 2 NH-D15's in operation at the moment, on 3950X chips. One was reading mid 50s after running for a day, the second was hitting 71 immediately after installing...I didn't give the paste time to settle down before going to Linux on that one, surely it is running cooler now.

But if you were not in eco mode, the stock cooler would be showing you 95C or so. That is hard to get used to, but it is well within spec.
 

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So it is 47 without the Noctua? That is impressive, even with the clock speed cut in half. I only have 2 NH-D15's in operation at the moment, on 3950X chips. One was reading mid 50s after running for a day, the second was hitting 71 immediately after installing...I didn't give the paste time to settle down before going to Linux on that one, surely it is running cooler now.

But if you were not in eco mode, the stock cooler would be showing you 95C or so. That is hard to get used to, but it is well within spec.

I fixed my fan curve but originally i had it set where at 47 degrees the fan would ramp up to 100% where the cpu has been hitting about 73% usage and about 59cel. I then fixed that curve to do the 100% fan when the cpu hits 56cel as it kept on ramping up and down just idle and it got on my nerves.

Sorry for the confusion, i fixed the earlier post. I haven't slept yet and i got about 4 hours the night before cause of the excitement of getting this thing. Lack of sleep for me causes me to be a bit goofy as i type out things as i can't think clearly being this exhausted. I moved computers, ran back and fourth i feel like i ran a marathon :p

I may go out of Eco mode but idk the performance and the temps are very good as is. I may keep it as is. I certainly will go out of it when i get my NH-D15 i think. Waiting on stimulus for that or when i get paid whichever comes first. I am kind of anal about temps, to a point and am protective of my second most expensive cpu purchase since my i7 940. It may be within spec but idk i would eating my hair prob seeing that 95cel no joke.
 

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I like big tower coolers a lot too. I've got NH-D15S on the Xeon E5s, some of which might draw 200 W 24/7 at times. In my Xeon E3 desktop, I've got a Thermalright Macho for quiet operation.

These tower coolers have a drawback of course: Unlike top flow coolers, they don't push air downwards to VRMs and RAMs. I therefore took care to have good air flow from the side in the Xeon E5 computers. And in watercooled computers, I suspended a 90 mm fan or two in the middle of the case to push air onto the processor socket area. Just a little forced airflow (or proper guidance of the case air flow) can make a big difference to component temperatures.
 

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I like big tower coolers a lot too. I've got NH-D15S on the Xeon E5s, some of which might draw 200 W 24/7 at times. In my Xeon E3 desktop, I've got a Thermalright Macho for quiet operation.

These tower coolers have a drawback of course: Unlike top flow coolers, they don't push air downwards to VRMs and RAMs. I therefore took care to have good air flow from the side in the Xeon E5 computers. And in watercooled computers, I suspended a 90 mm fan or two in the middle of the case to push air onto the processor socket area. Just a little forced airflow (or proper guidance of the case air flow) can make a big difference to component temperatures.

I got a modded CM500P Mesh with the front filter removed and rear mesh covering the rear fan removed for maximum airflow. Airflow is pretty top notch so i doubt i will have any issues. Currently looking to replace the 90cfm fans maybe with something with more cfm but idk if i could handle any more noise. :D I am prob obsessing to much over the cfm numbers, the 90cfm stock ones are prob fine.
 

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Its official, i am back up and running with fresh format of W10 and just got Boinc going on the 3900x in Eco mode. Been running all over the house working on friends rig with my old 7700k as well which is also back up and running :) Htpc i will reinstall windows on later. But its completely together at least.

Will do more testing on temps and clocks later when my games are done downloading, i question the temp numbers on MSI AB they are very uniform in nature. The cpu does seem to hit 57cel-59cel and all the threads move together in sync on those temps like clockwork. I got a 100% fan profile on stock cooler for when the cpu hits 47cel.

The cpu clocks between 3.8ghz-3.9 depending on cpu usage. I currently got like BOINC going at 50% usage with F@H pushing the 1080ti while Origin also downloads games. I spike to like 60%.

Could MSI AB be right on those temps or do i need to consider another program?
Ryzen master....
 

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PS,
a potential benefit of the firewall method and /etc/hosts-method over the "suspend networking method" is that the boinc client remains able to access other projects while you are bunkering for one or another project.
This was incredibly helpful. I was having issues getting enough Universe@home WU's to last a couple days so I could try to bunker NumbersFields@Home. I added the NumberFields@Home URL to point to 127.0.0.1 in the host file and now I can grab Rosetta WU's, keep trying for Universe@home WU's, etc. without affecting the NumberFields@home bunker.
 

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Ryzen master....

Will look into this thanks! Kinda only have ever ran MSI AB and its Riva tuner OSD. Its been fantastic for years so i guess its time for something new. Creature of habit but willing to break the mold. Any conflicts if i run MSI AB and OSD for the gpu with Master or does Master have any OSD for this? I could dump MSI AB if it did but i love the Rituner OSD.
 

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Here is a little script which counts how many Rosetta and Universe tasks are currently on a computer. The script requires bash as interpreter.
Bash:
#!/bin/bash

t[10]=0 t[11]=0 t[12]=0 t[13]=0
t[20]=0 t[21]=0 t[22]=0 t[23]=0

while read line
do
        case ${line} in
        "project URL: "* )
                case ${line#*"project URL: "} in
                "https://boinc.bakerlab.org/rosetta/" ) p=10;;
                "https://universeathome.pl/universe/" ) p=20;;
                esac
                ;;
        "state: "* )
                case ${line#*"state: "} in
                "downloading" ) ((t[p+0]++));;
                "downloaded"  ) ((t[p+1]++));;
                "uploading"   ) ((t[p+2]++));;
                "uploaded"    ) ((t[p+3]++));;
                esac
                ;;
        esac
done <<< $(boinccmd $@ --get_tasks)

printf "        downloading downloaded uploading uploaded\n-------------------------------------------------\n"
printf "Rosetta  %7d   %7d   %7d   %7d\n" ${t[10]} ${t[11]} ${t[12]} ${t[13]}
printf "Universe %7d   %7d   %7d   %7d\n" ${t[20]} ${t[21]} ${t[22]} ${t[23]}
Note, replace https by http in the Rosetta URL if you still use the previous URL.

Say, you stored it under the name "count.sh" and made it executable.
You can then look at the main client on the localhost by this invocation:
./count.sh

The output will look like this:
Code:
        downloading downloaded uploading uploaded
-------------------------------------------------
Rosetta        0         8         0         0
Universe       0         0         0         0
(This is from my desktop computer which is currently working on Rosetta only. "Downloaded" tasks includes ready to run, running, and suspended tasks. "Uploaded" tasks means tasks ready to report. "Downloading" and "uploading" are being transferred, or in a stuck transfer waiting for retry.)

To check out a secondary instance on localhost:
./count.sh --host localhost:31422

And a remote host called "bigiron" and protected by the password "abc123":
./count.sh --host bigiron:31422 --passwd "abc123"

To monitor the primary local client continuously in 120-seconds intervals:
watch -n 120 ./count.sh
 
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An admin post from the Universe@Home message board:
Krzysztof 'krzyszp' Piszczek said:
We have 1Gb/s line shared with storage server (where results go from main server as it comes).
One ULX result is various from 4 to 50 megabytes each (BH's are small)....

Once most ULX comes back uploading/downloading will speeds up.
The problem comes with bunkered WU's as thousands of it coming simultaneously and temporary block line. This should solve itself soon.
Current server_status shows 3 ULX ready to send, and 57,738 ULX in progress. I assume (or hope) that Krzysztof is not putting more ULX work on the server until the clog has undone itself, or perhaps better, until the City Run is over.

Edit,
Krzysztof more or less anticipated what is going down today.
 
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OMG I LOVE THIS SETUP RIGHT NOW! i Figured out the sorcery and magic that is Ryzen Master and those profiles you apply,test and apply and reboot for. I would have to hate to be sitting at 3.8ghz loading up 73% of the 3900x and its only sitting at 60 cels at tops. I applied the default settings, let it test and apply and reboot and after about 27 minutes we have this. I have the clients set to auto run on boot in this config. I am making a bedtime profile tomorrow consisting prob of eco mod as i will be running BOINC at 90% instead of the current 50%. Don't wanna burn up the chip quite yet on the stock cooler.

 
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This was incredibly helpful. I was having issues getting enough Universe@home WU's to last a couple days so I could try to bunker NumbersFields@Home. I added the NumberFields@Home URL to point to 127.0.0.1 in the host file and now I can grab Rosetta WU's, keep trying for Universe@home WU's, etc. without affecting the NumberFields@home bunker.

Heya @Icecold , be sure to check your private messages (mail envelope icon in the upper right corner).
 

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OMG I LOVE THIS SETUP RIGHT NOW! i Figured out the sorcery and magic that is Ryzen Master and those profiles you apply,test and apply and reboot for. I would have to hate to be sitting at 3.8ghz loading up 73% of the 3900x and its only sitting at 60 cels at tops. I applied the default settings, let it test and apply and reboot and after about 27 minutes we have this. I have the clients set to auto run on boot in this config. I am making a bedtime profile tomorrow consisting prob of eco mod as i will be running BOINC at 90% instead of the current 50%. Don't wanna burn up the chip quite yet on the stock cooler.

You have it set to game mode, since it only sees 6 cores and 12 threads.
 

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You have it set to game mode, since it only sees 6 cores and 12 threads.

Fixed thanks to you :) Thanks for all the help .Yeah i am so damn tired lol i was up all night working on those 3 computers and only got like 4 hours the night before.I get weird when i get tired :p
 
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Yeah so the days of each cpu having its own temp like Intel chips are over and its just the single reading? Oh the fan kicks on at 100% when the cpu hits 47cel but its loading upwards of 59cel currently with top end cpu usage hitting about 73%.

MSI AB does have the overall cpu usage and cpu temp OSD displays i guess i could stick to those and remove cpu0-24 from cluttering up MSI AB and its side monitor.
I recently discovered a program called CoreTemp that I really like. CoreTemp will not only show the readings of the temperature sensors in the PC, but it will actually show separate temperature readings for every core in the CPU(s) if the processors support it. I haven't tried it on very many computers yet, and haven't tried any AMD processors yet (still waiting for a couple of parts for my 3900X system), but it has worked on of the Intel systems that I have tested, ranging from a 10-year-old dual Xeon server to a 9th gen i7 laptop, and multiple varieties in between.

It even has a remote monitoring tool called Core Temp Monitor that will let you watch the results on multiple computers at the same time.
 
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I recently discovered a program called CoreTemp that I really like. CoreTemp will not only show the readings of the temperature sensors in the PC, but it will actually show separate temperature readings for every core in the CPU(s) if the processors support it. I haven't tried it on very many computers yet, but it has worked on all that I have tried so far.

It even has a remote monitoring tool called Core Temp Monitor that will let you watch the results on multiple computers at the same time.

i switched over to Ryzen Master and the numbers posting in MSI AB Rivatuner OSD are confirmed so i could still use the OSD reliably. Still messing with profiles but i got the auto overclocking one enabled on a custom file. Waiting for BOINC to fully load the cores. I thought i had all them unlocked, i was stuck in game mode. Meh so much to explorer, its a bit overwhelming.

Since fixed i am at 70% cpu usage and i am at 4.04ghz and i am sitting at 78cel. BOINC using upwards of 67% usage . MarkFw told me it takes a while for Rosetta and BOINC to load the cores. Will find out how bad the temps get soon. Should be interesting.
 

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i switched over to Ryzen Master and the numbers posting in MSI AB Rivatuner OSD are confirmed so i could still use the OSD reliably. Still messing with profiles but i got the auto overclocking one enabled on a custom file. Waiting for BOINC to fully load the cores. I thought i had all them unlocked, i was stuck in game mode. Meh so much to explorer, its a bit overwhelming.

Since fixed i am at 70% cpu usage and i am at 4.04ghz and i am sitting at 78cel. BOINC using upwards of 67% usage . MarkFw told me it takes a while for Rosetta and BOINC to load the cores. Will find out how bad the temps get soon. Should be interesting.
Nice! I have noticed on the dual Xeon (24 cores) machine I mentioned, that it does take a while to get all of the cores running sometimes. And some projects never run the cores at 100% for some reason. I'm not sure why.
 

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Nice! I have noticed on the dual Xeon (24 cores) machine I mentioned, that it does take a while to get all of the cores running sometimes. And some projects never run the cores at 100% for some reason. I'm not sure why.

Hopefully these all decide to load, i am at 10.4gb of ram out of 15.9gb used and well with the ram settings i made i got 8 tasks waiting on memory. Gonna configure like 3gb more. I guess despite thinking i was crazy for wanting 32gb as i rarely use over 8gb i really need this ram it looks like unless i could tweak its usage for the 24 tasks?

Yup that did it, i got 100% cpu usage and i am at 3.94 ghz . Cpu is currently 81cel.
 

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Hopefully these all decide to load, i am at 10.4gb of ram out of 15.9gb used and well with the ram settings i made i got 8 tasks waiting on memory. Gonna configure like 3gb more. I guess despite thinking i was crazy for wanting 32gb as i rarely use over 8gb i really need this ram it looks like unless i could tweak its usage for the 24 tasks?

Yup that did it, i got 100% cpu usage and i am at 3.94 ghz . Cpu is currently 81cel.
But you only want 22 tasks, to the video card has some CPU.
 

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Well, I got my memory today. The 32 gig 2933 would not post replacing the 2666 16 gig, so the 7742 is stuck at 110 gig.

The 64 gig for the 2970wx worked like a charm, so I am good there. Now I have 48 gig of 3200 cl14 sitting there doing nothing.
 

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OK so i decided a bit ago for the first time in weeks to pause gpu folding, i wanted to finally bench for about 20 mins and see under with my propose 50% cpu BOINC load and proposed gaming idea how well well off it would do. My favorite is BF4 and well lets say the experience was jaw dropping. BF4/75% BOINC is what i plan on running occasionally besides 95% non gaming loads of BOINC once i upgrade my ram but for all intents and purpose the idea behind "KRONOS" being half work/play may be a reality that actually works! I just need a 2060 as primary gpu as i am cpu bottlenecked on the 1080ti MAJORLY. I could still let the 1080ti fold as its mass overkill for 1080p.

Short answer is with 50% BOINC folding enabled and the few tasks in background including 3 chrome tabs bringing me closer to 55%, BF4 was redlining my memory as i only got 16gb of 3600mhz installed yet cpu usage REFUSED to go over 70% . The game ran like silk despite a few times i dropped from the 180fps avg cause stutter would drop me to 130 or so due to lack of ram with 12 threads in BOINC and now this game running. .Of course the 1080ti was STILL cpu bottlenecked i had TONS of room left in the tank with the 1080ti. That is why i prefer to see it fold over game, its wasted for 1080p. Also why i long for a dual x8 mobo and a 2060 as the newer game card and also a secondary folder.

So yeah Markfw gave me the run down privately about how BOINC consumes about 1gb per task, i got this kit currently but was curious if i double down on that would it cause issues perhaps with my X570 GB Auros Elite? I heard mixed things on max ram slot population and speeds with Ryzen being picky was hoping someone could comment. I always have had 2 sticks of ram so honestly i got no idea how true the max ram slot issues are.


I wanna devote a 24/7/365 if possible running of 75% BOINC when i game,95% when i don't game but i need another 16gb of ram so my system and tasks aren't waiting on memory to work and i want that 2060 in here as well as driver for games while the 1080ti just folds away 24/7/365. Do keep in mind when i don't game both gpus will be running full tilt in Folding@Home. Also when i crash for the night or go out it will all be running full tilt. When i get paid again or stimulus whichever comes first i plan to order at the same time as the memory the Auros Master or a mobo like it with dual x8, a 850w psu upgrade over my Seasonic FOCUS Plus 650w Gold so i could slap in that 1070/2060 without allocation/wattage issues . I then dual Ampere by end of year. A good cheap way to spend about $900 out the door?

Oh thanks again Mark for all the help in private regarding the memory issue and setting it to 75% to resolve issues, i hope i could get another 16gb and a 2060 in here without issue doing what i intend on it doing. :)

Edit: opted for 2060 as primary driver it produces more ppd and without AE-5 Soundblaster in the mix i plan to run usb headphones with 40-50mm drivers.
 
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